Looked like on the finale clips Jimmy goes berserk and starts the process of going his own way........the birth of Saul Goodman is upon us.

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This. Jimmy worked hard too. Just because where he worked was different doesn't mean he didn't work hard. Chuck considers himself morally superior to Jimmy and has no interest in helping Jimmy get anywhere close to his level of success.

I somewhat understand Chuck's feelings.

In his mind, for decades He's done everything the right way, while Jimmy has screwed up everything most his life. Chuck busts his butt his entire life....graduates from a reputable school, builds a very successful, multi-million dollar law firm, all the while having to deal with Jimmy for years...rescuing him from his trouble. Over and over and over again, being told that he'll straighten up, only to have to rescue Jimmy again.

So while Jimmy has 'fixed' his life, Chuck has years worth of Jimmy's trouble to convince him otherwise. And in all fairness, what do we know Jimmy/Saul ends up doing?....shady lawyer working with the bad guys.

That said, HHM wouldnt have the Kettleman's or the Class Action suit without Jimmy. Jimmy has taken care of Chuck, and is the primary reason Chuck is getting better. Given that, and Jimmy's recent past, you'd think he'd be a bit more appreciative, and less spiteful.

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It's easy to fault Chuck, but he is reacting like many would.

He has busted his ass. Meanwhile, his little brother becomes an online lawyer and now wants near equal billing? In many ways, it invalidates him doing all those things the right way. I am not saying he handled it well. The right answer would have been to give Jimmy a special role and coach him into a more polished HHM role, and he seems willing to learn and work. But Chuck is obviously struggling because he took the long hard path. And Jimmy met him 30 years later and caught up.

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But the fact that you and Chuck don't think Jimmy busted his ass shows the arrogance in the whole thing. Just because Chuck got everything right the first go around in life doesn't mean Jimmy didn't work hard to finish his undergrad, get through law school and pass the bar all while working full time in the mail room. Jimmy's path was just as hard and he is just as much of a "real lawyer" as Chuck. Jimmy will never be a partner at a big law lawfirm but that doesn't make Jimmy irresponsible or unworthy of the title "lawyer".

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I didn't say I agree with Chuck, just that I understand why he feels what he feels.

I imagine for 30 years Jimmy has been wild and untamed and a neverdo'well.

Again, the right answer would be to make Jimmy an apprentice in a special role and train him. He is in a zone right now and appear to be all kinds of eager. But no one thought of that approach so they are just buying him off.

I think I mentioned this earlier, but I don't really blame Chuck for not getting him a job at HHM (the first time around). But the fact that he made Hamlin play the bad guy and that he didn't use his influence to get him any kind of a law job anywhere is pretty weak.

Not only does Chuck not respect Jimmy, I think he has a genuine disgust for "Slippin' Jimmy" and doesn't think Jimmy will ever NOT be "Slippin' Jimmy." I think he was able to look past it for a long time. However, he doesn't expect that to ever change and absolutely refuses to bring that ethic to HHM. For Chuck the OCD and professionalism trumps blood.

And then there's the business side of this. As partner, Chuck is part owner of HHM. He may be on the right path now, but historically-speaking, "Slippin' Jimmy" brings a lot of risk to the table.

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If Hamlin was a decent guy, he wouldn't have treated Kim like crap in the office meeting and when she "lost" the coocoo Kettleman case. Guy is a bag, just like chuck.

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Kim lost a big case, and Hamlin is the President of the firm. Of course he has to be a ****. As for the office meeting, he had to be a dick to Jimmy to make it look like Chuck was the good guy. When Kim confronted him, he was pissed because it was obvious through the company meeting on the retirement home case, Hamlin was very uncomfortable about his position as bad cop. it was written all over his face. Hamlin has been playing that role for a long time with Jimmy because of Chuck and I think this last case finally got to his breaking point. I don't think Hamlin has the same feelings about Jimmy as Chuck because well, Jimmy has now given HHM two massive cases. As a businessman, he sees that value that Jimmy could bring to HHM, but had to side with Chuck since they are partners.

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Exactly, in fact it was this scene that made me come up with my hypothesis. Hamelin was being a dick to Kim, but the fact that he relented and let her in on the secret at the end, made me feel like the guy has just been having to act the part of a ******. In the end he probably told Kim everything and got her to try to persuade Jimmy to take the deal, which again, is in his own self-interest.

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And then there's the business side of this. As partner, Chuck is part owner of HHM. He may be on the right path now, but historically-speaking, "Slippin' Jimmy" brings a lot of risk to the table.

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Exactly what I was trying to get to. It is one thing to have a scam artist and ambulance chaser as a brother. It is another thing to have one as a law partner.

Yeah, it all boils down to Slippin Jimmy. With that history, on-line American Samoa law school just fits into the Slippin Jimmy shortcut profile. And in the big picture, is Chuck wrong? Yeah, Jimmy seems to be making geniune effort to go the right path, but when he's cornered, he still does lean on Slippin Jimmy at times.

Couldn't he refuse the deal and take it to another big law firm in Albuquerque as a way to stick it to them?

That wouldn't work for the show I guess. It'd be like the newspaper interviewing the billboard company and learning the guy who fell off and was rescued by Saul didn't work for them, which would have happened in reality.

Chuck really wrecked Saul there. What did he compare Saul holding a law degree to? A chimp with a machine gun. Ouch.

Have you seen the previews for season two?

Jimmy as seen by Chuck

I laughed

... and pimento is not a cheese.

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Pimento is a cheese. They call it the ;caviar of the South'" Mike, a.k.a. Uncle Fester

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At this point Jimmy has more character than the brother he idolizes. That "chimp with a machine gun" could have acted in his own best interest and committed Chuck a few weeks ago. By doing that he becomes legal guardian and can negotiate and receive Chuck's severance pay. He also gets to stick it to Hamlin. But Jimmy puts his brother's interests first and takes him home. Chuck's personal interests trump family.

Even after Chuck admits he was blackballing Jimmy, Jimmy's reaction is just to say "you're on your own." I could see Saul giving Chuck a choice. "Either I get the office next to yours or you get the padded room." But Jimmy's not there yet.

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At this point Jimmy has more character than the brother he idolizes. That "chimp with a machine gun" could have acted in his own best interest and committed Chuck a few weeks ago. By doing that he becomes legal guardian and can negotiate and receive Chuck's severance pay. He also gets to stick it to Hamlin. But Jimmy puts his brother's interests first and takes him home. Chuck's personal interests trump family.

Even after Chuck admits he was blackballing Jimmy, Jimmy's reaction is just to say "you're on your own." I could see Saul giving Chuck a choice. "Either I get the office next to yours or you get the padded room." But Jimmy's not there yet.

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I don't think Jimmy/Saul ever goes there. Even in Breaking Bad Saul never went nuclear or issued ultimatums like this. The worst I ever recall was him threatening to turn in the Kettlemans which would have also meant going nuclear on himself.

Imo chuck is dead as of BB day 1, and Kim is no longer in Abq nor in contact with Saul

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Imo chuck is dead as of BB day 1, and Kim is no longer in Abq nor in contact with Saul

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I agree about chuck. He would have mentioned him at some point. But we never saw much of sauls personal life in BB. Kim could be alive and in ABQ but just casually in touch and just never came up.

I think episode 1 of season 2 brings the debut appearance of Saul Goodman.

I think the last 5 minutes of next week brings up Saul Goodman as a cliff hanger

**spoiler if you haven't watched breaking bad**


Re watching the first BB with Saul ... Before Jesse says the "criminal lawyer" line, he mentions that Saul got Emilio off twice, both times he'd been dead to rights. Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but could be another BB character that makes an appearance down the line.

I really like Michael McKean and I think his character does something really bad to make jimmy change his name. I hope it's not too soon. I like him on the show.

I think McKean will be around next season just because he's a relatively big name.. But I could see the finale going either way with him.

I do think all of y'all saying he'll be dead in the foreseeable future are crazy though. He's completely healthy and dealing with white collar criminals. Why would he be dead?

If we are talking about Chuck, he clearly has something majorly wrong with him and was never mentioned in breaking bad. It's not a stretch to assume he dies.

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If we are talking about Chuck, he clearly has something majorly wrong with him and was never mentioned in breaking bad. It's not a stretch to assume he dies.

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Just because he wasnt mentioned doesnt mean that he didnt exsist.

He could be in prison. He doesn't have to be dead.

It's like watching an addiction story. Jimmy is the addicted one who has to work every day to beat his habit, only to pull himself up long enough to realize that his brother will never trust him because of what he was. So he will backslide back into the addiction. For Jimmy, that means back "slippin". Really interesting (and honest) look at that relationshup. Hard to blame Chuck, who clearly loves his brother even if he doesn't respect him. Otherwise he wouldn't have gone to those ends to protect Jimmy from his feelings. Easy to understand why Jimmy's hurt and wants to slip back into the comfortable role of a con man. What good was all his hard work if he couldn't even win his brother's respect?

Tough episode.