I truly admire the way Gilligan shows you the duality of each character. He doesn't try to create the Disney heroes and villains where you only see the good of some characters and the bad of others. The good moral characters have flaws and issues. The criminals have endearing qualities and sometimes do good things. Hamlin was at first seen as a pure villain but you can see he is not all bad, no matter how big a ****** move taking that cake was.
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quote:I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I think it would be interesting if we find out that Chuck was around throughout the entire BB run...we just never saw him. The reality is that we never saw anything at all about Saul's personal life during BB. He still could have been living with Chuck and consulting with him every single night for all we know.quote:
If we are talking about Chuck, he clearly has something majorly wrong with him and was never mentioned in breaking bad. It's not a stretch to assume he dies.
Just because he wasnt mentioned doesnt mean that he didnt exsist.
I don't see it playing out like, but anything is possible.
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I truly admire the way Gilligan shows you the duality if each character. He doesn't try to create the Disney heroes and villains where you only see the good of some characters and the bad of others. The good moral characters have flaws and issues. The criminals have endearing qualities and sometimes do good things. Hamlin was at first seen as a pure villain but you can see he is not all bad, no matter how big a ****** move taking that cake was.
You nailed it. Excellent post.
Also, I predict Chuck ends up in the nut house eventually. Without Jimmy, he slips deeper into paranoia.
quote:Mike's moral criminal speech
I truly admire the way Gilligan shows you the duality of each character. He doesn't try to create the Disney heroes and villains where you only see the good of some characters and the bad of others. The good moral characters have flaws and issues. The criminals have endearing qualities and sometimes do good things. Hamlin was at first seen as a pure villain but you can see he is not all bad, no matter how big a ****** move taking that cake was.
Those last five minutes were some of the toughest and best minutes I've seen on television in a while.
The tone in Odenkirk's voice changing so frequently in mid-sentence was just so emotional. He damn well better get an Emmy nomination for this. And Chuck's response to him was such a kick in the gut to watch.
And that was Trevor from GTA V in the parking garage. Hell, the actor even looked like Trevor (sans the beard I always kept on him).
The tone in Odenkirk's voice changing so frequently in mid-sentence was just so emotional. He damn well better get an Emmy nomination for this. And Chuck's response to him was such a kick in the gut to watch.
And that was Trevor from GTA V in the parking garage. Hell, the actor even looked like Trevor (sans the beard I always kept on him).
quote:Yep. I thought of that right after I posted this.quote:Mike's moral criminal speech
I truly admire the way Gilligan shows you the duality of each character. He doesn't try to create the Disney heroes and villains where you only see the good of some characters and the bad of others. The good moral characters have flaws and issues. The criminals have endearing qualities and sometimes do good things. Hamlin was at first seen as a pure villain but you can see he is not all bad, no matter how big a ****** move taking that cake was.
Last week on the podcast they had the guy that plays Hamlin. He was talking about how none of the characters fit a stereotype. They are realistic that they just arent a dbag, etc.
I know Bob can act, but was marveled by Lenny's performance.
quote:******GTA 5 Spoiler alert********
Those last five minutes were some of the toughest and best minutes I've seen on television in a while.
The tone in Odenkirk's voice changing so frequently in mid-sentence was just so emotional. He damn well better get an Emmy nomination for this. And Chuck's response to him was such a kick in the gut to watch.
And that was Trevor from GTA V in the parking garage. Hell, the actor even looked like Trevor (sans the beard I always kept on him).
I killed off Trevor at the end. Couldn't stand him.
7nine
I think you guys are spot on about the duality theme, especially since Mike spelled it out on screen. Chuck isn't a criminal, but he's an underhanded jerk who doesn't respect his family. Slippin' Jimmy is a criminal, but he takes care of his brother and his friends. Jimmy is about to have to make the same decision Price did - is he going to continue being a criminal.
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I think you guys are spot on about the duality theme, especially since Mike spelled it out on screen. Chuck isn't a criminal, but he's an underhanded jerk who doesn't respect his family. Slippin' Jimmy is a criminal, but he takes care of his brother and his friends. Jimmy is about to have to make the same decision Price did - is he going to continue being a criminal.
Good guy and criminal.
quote:I did not watch Breaking Bad, so I never saw Odenkirk on that. To me, every time I see him I can't help but be reminded of him on the brilliantly funny "Mr. Show with Bob and David", so these dramatic turns are not what I expect from him.
I know Bob can act, but was marveled by Lenny's performance.
No comment on the hilariously nerdy pill peddler? I couldn't stop cracking up at that dude.
Rolling in the Odyssey with wood paneling.
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I did not watch Breaking Bad
DAFUQ?
When Mike meets Walter Im sure he assumes he is just like Pryce.
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No comment on the hilariously nerdy pill peddler? I couldn't stop cracking up at that dude.
I thought that was great.
The whole $20 bit was awesome.
"First order of business, anyone thirsty? I have bottled water. We stop at a coffee shop. Might have a juice box in the back of the minivan here. . . anyone? anyone?"
quote:I don't think mike assumes anything
When Mike meets Walter Im sure he assumes he is just like Pryce.
quote:Indeed. But I definitely see the correlation. Pryce didn't see himself as a criminal, or at least he didn't see himself as a "bad guy". Likewise, Walt (at least at first) thought he was doing bad things for all the best reasons.quote:I don't think mike assumes anything
When Mike meets Walter Im sure he assumes he is just like Pryce.
Mike despises that kind of rationalization. Like he explains to Pryce, it doesn't matter if you're a good guy. Once you break the law your a criminal. And like he explains to Walt, you can't put just one foot in the water. there's no room for Half-Measures. \
So genius.
I got two guns on me that I'll tell you about.
quote:I loved how the giant guy just took off running after watching Mike throw the beat down on the other dude!
I got two guns on me that I'll tell you about.
quote:Thats fair. What I meant was Mike sees Walt as he saw Pryce - just a dude, not a criminal mastermind. To Mikes credit, had he met WW in S1E1 then he would have seen someone very similar to Pryce.quote:I don't think mike assumes anything
When Mike meets Walter Im sure he assumes he is just like Pryce.
I can only imagine how much fun it is to play someone like Mike.
I'm sure this came up on a Breaking Bad thread, but Bob Odenkirk was in Seinfeld(of course Cranston was, too). Bob played the guy who wasn't yet a doctor, then when he became one, promptly dumped Elaine.
Yes, and on Mr. Show, but Seinfeld trumps all. The amount of future lead actors that were guest stars is incredible.
He is a producer and guest stars in Tim and Eric a bit.
7nine
took me forever to place Pryce as Nate from the office
quote:"I always knew that after I became a doctor, I would dump whoever I was with and find someone better. That's the dream of becoming a doctor."
I'm sure this came up on a Breaking Bad thread, but Bob Odenkirk was in Seinfeld(of course Cranston was, too). Bob played the guy who wasn't yet a doctor, then when he became one, promptly dumped Elaine.
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I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves. You can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn't yours and you sold it for a profit. You are now a criminal. Good one, bad one, that's up to you.
-Mike Ehrmantraut
quote:And I know everyone else, like I did, will read this in Mike's voice.quote:
I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves. You can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn't yours and you sold it for a profit. You are now a criminal. Good one, bad one, that's up to you.
-Mike Ehrmantraut
quote:gotcha. I certainly agree with thatquote:Thats fair. What I meant was Mike sees Walt as he saw Pryce - just a dude, not a criminal mastermind. To Mikes credit, had he met WW in S1E1 then he would have seen someone very similar to Pryce.quote:I don't think mike assumes anything
When Mike meets Walter Im sure he assumes he is just like Pryce.
I can only imagine how much fun it is to play someone like Mike.
Finally had a chance to watch the last episode. Best one of the season thus far.
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