I agree with this.Zombie Jon Snow said:aTmAg said:I think that it will end up being nothing. Nixon's treaty that banned bio-weapons allowed for the development them for the purposes of coming up with countermeasures. I think what will happen is that Phillip and Elizabeth will bring Paige closer to the dark side (thinking it's the light side) under the false premise that the US is going to poison the Soviets. When it turns out that none of that is the case, then they would have done lots of bad things for nothing. Then they will be in even more of a quandary on what to do with Paige. It will be a "do we want her to get involved in this?" sort of thing.Zombie Jon Snow said:
so this entire story (wheat and bugs) was a setup from the writers, i mean to give them something more benign and palatable to make them not so sinister to Paige. meh.
We didn't need to do anything to undermine the russian economy or crops they were screwing it all up themselves through corruption and ineptitude.
it's a reach. and they are showing the Russian corruption and how their system doesn't work but at the same time blaming the US. that seems odd. i mean Phillip is taking notice of some of the political BS and questioning things but thats about it.
just seems really odd to me that they are enjoying the fruits of the good life in the US and yet think it is the evil empire still? they've been here a long time and still think it is evil - when they have complete freedom, are never questioned or interrogated and have more food to eat than anyone they knew in Russia, clothes too, vacations, etc. it's just starting to stretch believability. It was better when it stuck to spy stuff and weapons - thats believable.
well i still enjoy the show. and yeah the cowgirl outfit....yee-haw!!!!!
I absolutely agree....after I posted I left and ran errands and was still thinking about it and I decided the story here wouldn't be that they were actually were doing what they imagine, but the realization that they weren't - especially after
a. letting Paige in on it and
b. so callously killing that guy who will be an innocent victim
In fact I now think Oleg in his role may be the one that figures it out - that the russians are doing it to themselves and he may pay the ultimate price for it. And yeah the Paige quandary also gets more complicated.
You've also got the obvious foreshadowing of the russian family dragged to America - what happens to them when the reverse happens, Phillip is already thinking about that.
It's a good dramatic setup really....just kinda boring right now. We shall see.
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I think Phillip & Elizabeth will eventually learn that those bugs are not being bred to destroy Soviet crops. Instead, they're being used by some large American pesticide manufacturer like Dupont or Dow or Monsanto as a way to test their chemicals and improve their product.
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I think Phillip & Elizabeth will eventually learn that those bugs are not being bred to destroy Soviet crops. Instead, they're being used by some large American pesticide manufacturer like Dupont or Dow or Monsanto as a way to test their chemicals and improve their product.
If you notice in ep 1 when Elizabeth breaks into the lab in Illinois, there is an orderly test plot of wheat that is unaffected by the bugs while everything else is wilted.
Did the soviets actually think that the US was conspiring against their food supply in real life? From time to time, the depiction of the soviets misunderstanding American actions has had a basis in actual history (Reagan gets shot, Russians think it is a coup).
even if thats exactly what's going on ((which i agree is likely) I'm not sure they'll admit it to themselves, especially elizabeth.et98 said:I agree with this.Zombie Jon Snow said:aTmAg said:I think that it will end up being nothing. Nixon's treaty that banned bio-weapons allowed for the development them for the purposes of coming up with countermeasures. I think what will happen is that Phillip and Elizabeth will bring Paige closer to the dark side (thinking it's the light side) under the false premise that the US is going to poison the Soviets. When it turns out that none of that is the case, then they would have done lots of bad things for nothing. Then they will be in even more of a quandary on what to do with Paige. It will be a "do we want her to get involved in this?" sort of thing.Zombie Jon Snow said:
so this entire story (wheat and bugs) was a setup from the writers, i mean to give them something more benign and palatable to make them not so sinister to Paige. meh.
We didn't need to do anything to undermine the russian economy or crops they were screwing it all up themselves through corruption and ineptitude.
it's a reach. and they are showing the Russian corruption and how their system doesn't work but at the same time blaming the US. that seems odd. i mean Phillip is taking notice of some of the political BS and questioning things but thats about it.
just seems really odd to me that they are enjoying the fruits of the good life in the US and yet think it is the evil empire still? they've been here a long time and still think it is evil - when they have complete freedom, are never questioned or interrogated and have more food to eat than anyone they knew in Russia, clothes too, vacations, etc. it's just starting to stretch believability. It was better when it stuck to spy stuff and weapons - thats believable.
well i still enjoy the show. and yeah the cowgirl outfit....yee-haw!!!!!
I absolutely agree....after I posted I left and ran errands and was still thinking about it and I decided the story here wouldn't be that they were actually were doing what they imagine, but the realization that they weren't - especially after
a. letting Paige in on it and
b. so callously killing that guy who will be an innocent victim
In fact I now think Oleg in his role may be the one that figures it out - that the russians are doing it to themselves and he may pay the ultimate price for it. And yeah the Paige quandary also gets more complicated.
You've also got the obvious foreshadowing of the russian family dragged to America - what happens to them when the reverse happens, Phillip is already thinking about that.
It's a good dramatic setup really....just kinda boring right now. We shall see.
When Phillip & Elizabeth were in the Oklahoma hotel room, Phillip mentions that it looked just like Russia and he actually questioned why they'd need to buy wheat from the US in the first place. Why could the US grow enough to have extra to sell while the USSR could grow enough to feed its own people?
With the the loud, boisterous character who constantly reminds Phillip just how much it sucks over in the motherland and that they're living in the land of plenty here in America, I think we'll continue to see Phillip open his eyes to the truth more and more.
I think Phillip & Elizabeth will eventually learn that those bugs are not being bred to destroy Soviet crops. Instead, they're being used by some large American pesticide manufacturer like Dupont or Dow or Monsanto as a way to test their chemicals and improve their product.
As communists, Phillip & Elizabeth can't wrap their brains around the concept of a private organization investing in something like that in order to improve their product (and their profits & lives of the American people in the process). Their brains have simply been programmed to avoid thinking like that. In the same way, the poor innocent guy they just killed at the insect lab probably thought that little visit from P&E was corporate espionage...not political espionage...because a capitalist would never think of a government trying to steal his information.
When it's all said and done, I think killing an innocent person for absolutely no reason may come back to haunt Phillip. Add that to all the guilt that's been building inside after what happened to Martha and the way he took advantage of that troubled teenage girl, this might just be the straw that broke the camel's back.
jamesf said:
Where's Henry?
jamesf said:
Where's Henry?
Presley OBannons Sword said:
Does anyone think Philip and Elizabeth ultimately end up against eachother?
jamesf said:
Where's Henry?
CorpsAg11 said:
Henry got like a full minute of screen time!! And he even had lines!
TexasAggie008 said:
In the real timeline ... how far are we from substantial progress being made between the US and USSR ? Reagans trip to Russia , etc
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I really wonder where this anti-corruption grocery store plotline for Oleg is going.
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Could very well be. I'm thinking more broadly, it's going to lead to Oleg's further disillusion with the Soviet Union. I think his story ends with him defecting.Toni Reauxmeaux said:Perhaps investigation will lead to Oleg's father.Quote:
I really wonder where this anti-corruption grocery store plotline for Oleg is going.
