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In reply to bobinator • 10:49a, 8/9/18
bobinator said:



I assume reviewers have seen the whole season? That's mostly why I'm trying to hold on until the end, it's got enough positive reviews that i'm hoping the end somehow makes this middle retroactively important.



I made this point earlier and it would make sense in this context. I wonder if this show is better if you can watch all episodes together or with short breaks as opposed to weekly?
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11:04a, 8/9/18
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I replied to that idea, I think it might be "better" only because you don't have to wait for the end, I still think the last episode would have annoyed the hell out of me.
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2:32p, 8/9/18
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I cannot imagine binging this show. It's so joyless and dark. That would be a tough hang for 8 hours.
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3:13p, 8/9/18
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This show is geared towards women 30-60. If you aren't in that demo, you really should stfu.

I binged the first 3 episodes. But I'm a woman. And I've read the book so I knew what to expect.

And honestly, if you ever lived out in a rural town, there are places just like Wind Gap. Maybe sans the murdering crap, but still.
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In reply to Mrs. FishrCoAg • 3:16p, 8/9/18
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Charpie said:
This show is geared towards women 30-60. If you aren't in that demo, you really should stfu.

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In reply to Mrs. FishrCoAg • 3:22p, 8/9/18
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Charpie said:
This show is geared towards women 30-60. If you aren't in that demo, you really should stfu.

I binged the first 3 episodes. But I'm a woman. And I've read the book so I knew what to expect.
A) Everyone can have an opinion on something, it's not like HBO made an announcement before the show like "hey everyone, if you're not a woman between 30 and 60, you're definitely going to hate this, so don't watch the show."

I like plenty of shows that I'm not in the demographic for, and hate plenty of shows that I am, but that's the beauty of being able to watch anything.

B) "I've read the book so I knew what to expect" shouldn't be a requirement for watching a TV show.

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In reply to bobinator • 3:24p, 8/9/18
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I also love the implication that if we're not part of the demographic, we're incapable discerning bad writing from good writing.
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In reply to bobinator • 3:28p, 8/9/18
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Also, if I didn't want to watch this show, my wife would have given up on it already. When I started to turn it on the other night her response was "I guess..."

Though to be fair she is 29, so not quite in the key demo.
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In reply to bobinator • 3:34p, 8/9/18
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bobinator said:
Though to be fair she is 29, so not quite in the key demo.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:12p, 8/9/18
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I also love the implication that if we're not part of the demographic, we're incapable discerning bad writing from good writing.
Oh you can, its just a matter that what one sees as crap someone else, who is being targeted by it, may think its amazing.

It's like me *****ing about how AWFUL Star Wars is. 1. It's not geared towards me, and 2. I have a choice to NOT WATCH IT.

I don't get the point of *****ing over and over about a tv show that you can't relate to.
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In reply to Mrs. FishrCoAg • 4:22p, 8/9/18
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You know, you could maybe share what it is about this show that you think is "amazing" and maybe we can learn to appreciate it more from a different point of view?

You've literally exclusively complained about the complaining on this thread.
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4:24p, 8/9/18
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There are two arguments going on here; Quality and Perspective. No one is saying that they are bored because the show has a terrible perspective, which is what it sounds like the people arguing about demographics are saying. Sure the show is about a woman in her 30s or 40s, and its probably targeted to that demographic. But people outside of that demo can appreciate it and also enjoy the different perspective.

Quality is a different thing, and that is what is being debated on the thread. Thats the point of a thread like this. People are saying its bad and explaining why they think that and then discussing. If you think its good, tell us why. Saying someone doesn't appreciate the quality of a work because they are outside of the targeted demo isn't a great argument. If you want to argue for why something is good, there needs to be better points than "this was made for me not for you". Why was it made for you? What about the writing is drawing you in specifically?

Maybe people are missing things about it because of their perspective, so tell them what they are missing. Saying you just wouldn't understand without an explanation of why is just unfair and not a great argument for why something is good.

I did not particularly enjoy this last episode, but the show as a whole as been giving me this True Detective (season 1) vibe that I am kinda into. Obviously knowing its only got 3 episodes left is giving me a light at the end of the tunnel, so I'm willing to go with it. I have felt similarly frustrated with episodes of The Wire where it felt like nothing really happened, and I love that show. I do think the last 5 minutes of this episode were very important to the overall story. Obviously what her terrible mother told her is going to be a big drive in the final 3 episodes. I'll keep watching to see how things wrap up.
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4:28p, 8/9/18
This thread delivers.
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In reply to veryfuller • 4:34p, 8/9/18
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Saying someone doesn't appreciate the quality of a work because they are outside of the targeted demo isn't a great argument.


Amen, and very well said all around.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:38p, 8/9/18
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TCTTS said:
Amen, and very well said all around.
You only think it's well said because you were in the target demo for that post. I thought it was garbage.
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In reply to bobinator • 4:42p, 8/9/18
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Are you a straight white male? Please confirm. Otherwise, I am incapable of forming an opinion and thus a response to whatever it is you just said. I cannot compute the words/experiences of those outside of my own demographic.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:45p, 8/9/18
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I am. I am also 33. My wife however is 29. So sometimes when she's explaining a book she's reading or something we have to bring in a translater. It's inconvenient.
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In reply to bobinator • 4:46p, 8/9/18
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In reply to bobinator • 4:47p, 8/9/18
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Ugh I hate it when I age out of a demo....
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4:49p, 8/9/18
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I grew up with a gal like Camille. She was a cutter as well. So she reminds me of my friend. Except Camille is alive.

I love the scenery. The old house with the ivory floor reminds me of my aunts house.

And I have a teenager, so seeing Amma being a little brat reminds me of my daughter and her friends. Oh, and I know Jackson Hurst, who plays Camille's ex. He's a Baylor grad.

The mom is freaking annoying and EVERYTHING is about her. Patricia Clarkson NAILS her.
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4:58p, 8/9/18
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On a serious note, I come from a smaller town and my parents are from even smaller towns so I don't really find the characters unbelievable like some people do. I know a lot of people like a lot of the characters. Including people that cause chaos just because.

The reasons I'm kind of luke warm on the show don't have anything to do with the characters. I just think it's unbelievably slow for what, right now, seems like no reason.
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6:33p, 8/9/18
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I'm in the target demo.

I grew up in a small southern town.

I read the book. (Though i somehow forgot the plot)

I'm finding it a slog. I don't need 8 hours of Amy Adams driving and drinking. I legit don't remember if the rape play was in the book, but watching people celebrate that in a pageant was bizarre and seemed unrealistic.

Gone Girl had the epic "Cool Girl" rant and the double crosses that balanced the darkness and violence.
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In reply to Joan Wilder • 6:36p, 8/9/18
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I agree with the length. It is too long.
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7:08p, 8/9/18
Was there the same amount of roller skating in the book?
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8:45p, 8/9/18
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Best tweet I saw all day. Edit this show down to two hours and would probably be amazing...

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9:07p, 8/9/18
I do actually like the premise of the show but I do wish it would play out a little differently on tv. Like I wish we could see more of her interaction with the detective guy and less of her driving around drinking and having flashbacks. I'd be cool with the flashbacks but not so damn many. Or even more of the detective's investigation.
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In reply to pinkdog • 9:26p, 8/9/18
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Exactly. For some reason they went like 90% character study, 10% detective work. At the very least it should be 50/50. But the best narratives reveal character THROUGH plot to the point where it's indistinguishable. Here, however, they can't seem to make the two mesh.

This show could have been so much better if it was truly the reporter and the detective teaming up to solve the case under the sherrif's nose. But we only get glimpses of that like two minutes each episode in lieu of scene after scene after scene of hitting us over the head with Adams consuming gallons upon gallons of alcohol, her family dynamic, and the town lushes. WE GET IT. Her mom sucks. Her stepdad is weird. Her stepsister has issues. The town is full of backwards, boozy, gossipy, know-it-all's. Why do we have to keep hitting these notes over and over and over again with none of it hardly going anywhere?

That's what's so maddening. We could have had it all. They could have significantly beefed up the detective work at absolutely no expense of the character/family work.
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10:02p, 8/9/18
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I think the source material is mostly character study. It's not a generic newspaper girl teams up with and falls for the detective and now she's healed and they solve the case. It's supposed to be dark and weird and upsetting, which is fine, but it didn't need to be 8 hours.

I can't get over the idea she's drinking straight vodka all day and night, every day and night ...how is she functioning?
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10:06p, 8/9/18
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Why does everyone keep comparing this show to Gone Girl? Gone girl was great. This show is not even close to that.

Is there some connection I'm not aware of besides the fact that they are both about a female? Are they written by the same author or something?
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In reply to mavsfan4ever • 10:08p, 8/9/18
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10:09p, 8/9/18
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She drinks vodka all day and then goes to the bar all night and drinks whiskey. Maybe Wind Gap has 5% vodka.
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In reply to Joan Wilder • 10:11p, 8/9/18
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I didn't mean to imply that they lose the darkness or weirdness or the fact that she's severely damaged. And yeah, I'm sure the source material played a large part in them going down this road. But none of that prevents them from beefing up the detective stuff when there's SO MUCH redundant charcter work. She could still be just as damaged, and it could all still be just as weird and dark. It's the hitting us over the head with those things that's tiresome. Besides, in the translation to the screen, if they can invent Calhoun day out of thin air and devote an entire episode to it, they could have easily I nvented more detective work as well.
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8:45a, 8/10/18
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I totally understand the argument about the show moving slow with little plot and character development. I honestly thought it would have picked up by now. And since the last episode wasn't in the book, I didn't see a TON of value in it. But having read the book, there's a lot of subtle imagery throughout the show that pulls from Camille's past, and I find a lot more enjoyment in those moments (as well as all the weird glances for an entire episode) because I know what they're getting at. I think it's incredibly well done in that sense. Throughout the book Camille comments on what word on her body is "burning" at a particular moment in the plot, so it's really cool to see how they tied words into various shots. Maybe I'm easily entertained, but I think knowing a lot of the backstory is helping me appreciate everything that they're doing with the show.

I think y'all are also expecting this to be a huge murder mystery/detective show, which it really isn't. Yeah they're trying to figure out who murdered the two girls, but I saw it as more of a story about Camille and her life in this small town and her perspective on it now that she's left (and how it's affected her) and the murders are just what gets her back to the town.

/rant over and fwiw I don't fall into this demographic by a few years if we're considering this relevant information
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10:12a, 8/10/18
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You're exactly right. People are wanting this show to be something that it's not. Very bizarre thread.
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In reply to FtBendTxAg • 10:54a, 8/10/18
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FtBendTxAg said:
You're exactly right. People are wanting this show to be something that it's not. Very bizarre thread.
I don't think it's that bizarre of a thread, it's what people do on here, come on to discuss a show they're watching and what they like/don't like about it.

The Westworld thread was really similar for a lot of the season with people discussing things they love/hate/don't get/think was a mistake in the production/etc.

I do have a theory after talking to a lot of friends about this show, and I think most (not all) people who really like the show are people that read the book.

And I think it's because they already know how it ends, so they don't mind these long pauses in the story and people staring at each other and the seemingly pointless interactions because there isn't the same mystery element. It's like when you watch a movie a second time and you enjoy some of the interactions between characters more than you did the first time.

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