I seem to remember seeing a commercial for it during the super bowl and immediately wanting to see it.

Yes the machines of the real world coded all the programs in the matrix. However, programs in the matrix can get out through the Trainman smuggling them out into real world machines. This can allow them to avoid termination or be hindered by the overall matrix programming. Also programs from the outside machine world can get into the matrix through the Train station.

The Train station is the one unguarded access point into and out of the Matrix for machines, at least that we know of. Because Neo was intermingled with the source code and Agent smith's code, he was able to access this in between portal. That is why the program man's wife in the train station tells him "you do not belong here". It is built for machines.

If you could instantly "download" one single skill / trade / martial art into your brain, Matrix-style, what would it be?

Guitar for me. I used to play as a teenager and was a solid enough player, but I seemed to always hit a wall and could never get to the next level. Maybe I just didn't have enough dedication to really get good.

If I could instantly become as good as a Frusciante, John Mayer, Jack White, etc, that's what I'd do.

Breakdancing.

Master brewer

Yea, that is what Rian did to them offscreen.

It definitely sounds like Stahelski knows more than he's letting on. As the article states, basically, it sounds like the Wachowskis are considering directing if the script - written by Zak Penn - ends up being worthy of their time and effort...

https://theplaylist.net/chad-stahelski-matrix-4-wachowskis-clarify-20190516/

Not gonna lie, I'm really excited and hopeful that this ends up happening.

Edit: Just for my own clarity, are you thinking that Stahelski accidentally let the cat out of the bag and is now trying to backtrack on it?

I did some more digging and it actually looks like Penn has been writing since 2017. So his script has to be done by now. If I had to guess, reading the tea leaves, I'd say there's a chance the Wachowskis are either currently rewriting his script or overseeing additional rewrites.

But yeah, I'm with you. I'm totally down for returning to this world. Seems like a no-brainer.

Oh, and sorry, I missed your edit. Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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If you could instantly "download" one single skill / trade / martial art into your brain, Matrix-style, what would it be?

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pilot. no doubt.

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I did some more digging and it actually looks like Penn has been writing since 2017. So his script has to be done by now. If I had to guess, reading the tea leaves, I'd say there's a chance the Wachowskis are either currently rewriting his script or overseeing additional rewrites.

But yeah, I'm with you. I'm totally down for returning to this world. Seems like a no-brainer.

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While this is super cool, I think I'd rather see Stahelski direct with them producing. The Wachowskis have some great ideas but I feel like have gotten kind of long winded in their storytelling.

For sure, I totally want them involved and guiding the overall story and vision.

I'm just imagining the Matrix updated with John Wick/Atomic Blonde style action sequences...hell yes.

I know this will piss a few of you off and I am trying to say this with as much tact as I can, but I honestly worry about the Wachowskis turning a Matrix 4 into a transgender/alternative lifestyle advocacy piece, which is what I feel like they did with Sense8.

It would certainly be easier to be trasgender if you can just swap genders when entering the Matrix.

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It would certainly be easier to be trasgender if you can just swap genders when entering the Matrix.

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Exactly. It's a setting that just begs for it if you're so inclined, that's why it worries me.

You realize that's EXACTLY what the first movie was, right? "Unplugging," being your "true" self, etc... it's packed with transgender themes, albeit somewhat coyly.

Ready Player One did it.

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You realize that's EXACTLY what the first movie was, right? "Unplugging," being your "true" self, etc... it's packed with transgender themes, albeit somewhat coyly.

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Sigh.

How did I know TCCT was going to preach over that comment?

Yes, I realize that if you really stretch it out, and especially if you consider it in the context of what we know about the Wachowskis today, then there are "transgendered" themese throughout the first movie. I can honestly say, however, that I don't think anybody on this thread was really thinking about transgenderism when they left the theater after seeing the first movie.

Obviously, if they keep it like the first movie, then I don't have a problem with it. Sense8 explored similar themes, it involved eight people throughout the world who could all sense and communicate with each other no matter where they were. Out of those eight people, like half of them or something were transgendered or gay. Out of those that were not gay when the series started, several of them ended up becoming either gay or bisexual.

It was a cool concept and I enjoyed the first several episodes, but when it became obvious that it was going to be overly fixated on sexuality I quickly lost interest.

It's just not a theme that interests me or a lot of people, and if that's the way that they go with the Matrix 4, it's going to bomb.

The quality of the story will control that, not because it covers a topic that makes you uncomfortable. I would only be worried if they are just heavy handed with it and care less about making a quality movie.

For the record, I don't really care for the topic as a main story line either since we can't relate to it . I will believe this movie is good when it happens, the 2 sequels were not very good imo.

Did anybody else listen to The Matrix Soundtrack over and over and over on their Sony Discman?

Ah, yes, I'm "preaching" again. You're the one who brought it up, dude. I was simply replying.

My only point was that the Wachowski's have literally been exploring these themes since not only the first Matrix movie, but since their first movie, period - Bound - which focused on a lesbian breaking free of a terrible hetero relationship. So, seeing as gay/bi/trans/identity themes have existed in nearly every single movie or show they've ever done, I don't know why you'd start "worrying" now. Sometimes they "code" it more overtly than others, sure, but it's always there. This is who they are. So to hope that they'd suddenly make a "straight" action movie seems a bit disingenuous.

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The quality of the story will control that, not because it covers a topic that makes you uncomfortable. I would only be worried if they are just heavy handed with it and care less about making a quality movie.

For the record, I don't really care for the topic as a main story line either since we can't relate to it . I will believe this movie is good when it happens, the 2 sequels were not very good imo.

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Perhaps did not do a good job expressing it, but this is what I was trying to say.

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Did anybody else listen to The Matrix Soundtrack over and over and over on their Sony Discman?

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Man, I forgot about that soundtrack, but yes, I absolutely did. Even Dave Matthews had a good song on there.

I'm not gonna lie, as a preteen, I never noticed the S&M stuff going on in the club scene of the first Matrix.

Yeah, it's way more prevalent in the sequels, I think.

Not really S&M, but Reloaded was on TV the other day, I caught like three minutes, and I had totally forgot about the scene where the Merovingian orders the slice of cake to that woman's table, then the camera literally goes in between her legs, into her computer-coded vagina, and she orgasms. Ha, that was actually in a massive, blockbuster movie released by a major studio. So crazy.

Speaking of the soundtrack, I remember it taking me forever to track down some of those songs back then. Had to find the titles online before I could find them on Napster.

This one was one of my favorites.



Such a badass scene.

I was 14/15 by the time Reloaded came out, and my mom had to take me and my cousin to see it because of the R rating.

Let's just say the Zion rave / sex scene made me HIGHLY uncomfortable with my mom sitting next to me, as did the cake orgasm scene.

I don't think I want the Wachowskis to be involved that much. Similar to how I feel about Lucas in the SW universe. I don't want them to feel like they have to advance the main storyline. I want it to be opened up for one offs like Rogue One, but that don't necessarily have to be involved with anything from the main storyline or any of the past characters. You can have amazing stories within that universe as Aminatrix did, as Matrix Online did.

I say either wait for a good story to come along, or use one of the ones created by the many fan fictions that have been made. Dont' force it, but let it be a yearly or every other year kind of thing.

The Matrix Universe is just too full of potential for great stories.

Brutal.

That's a great point. It's a perfect universe for one-off stories.

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You realize that's EXACTLY what the first movie was, right? "Unplugging," being your "true" self, etc... it's packed with transgender themes, albeit somewhat coyly.

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Sigh.

How did I know TCCT was going to preach over that comment?

Yes, I realize that if you really stretch it out, and especially if you consider it in the context of what we know about the Wachowskis today, then there are "transgendered" themese throughout the first movie. I can honestly say, however, that I don't think anybody on this thread was really thinking about transgenderism when they left the theater after seeing the first movie.

Obviously, if they keep it like the first movie, then I don't have a problem with it. Sense8 explored similar themes, it involved eight people throughout the world who could all sense and communicate with each other no matter where they were. Out of those eight people, like half of them or something were transgendered or gay. Out of those that were not gay when the series started, several of them ended up becoming either gay or bisexual.

It was a cool concept and I enjoyed the first several episodes, but when it became obvious that it was going to be overly fixated on sexuality I quickly lost interest.

It's just not a theme that interests me or a lot of people, and if that's the way that they go with the Matrix 4, it's going to bomb.

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While the series definitely touched on LGBT themes, this isn't at all accurate.

Of the main characters one character was a transgendered lesbian, one guy was gay. All the rest of the main characters were straight.

There was one weird dream sequence where errrybody was getting it on, but your general observation is just not true.