I am a newbie Star Wars fan and loving this thread.

I started flipping through this one a bit last night and it's nearly everything I need to get started. Yes, it's a Legends book, and there are super cheesy "notes" written in the margins from other "Jedi" commenting on things here and there, but overall it's an amazing resource.

Moto Moto said:

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I am a newbie Star Wars fan and loving this thread.

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Here, I'll taint your viewpoint forever

I got the Jedi Path book you listed above for Christmas.
I listed a few comments from it in relation to TROS here:

https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3084730/replies/55741732


I think you hit on the right book if you wanted to know more about the Force

If you didn't already, you might want to check out the one about the Sith as well.

Can we get an update on this? When can we expect a Netflix series on The Force from Oil and Cattle productions?

Ha, no real update. Been thinking about the idea a lot, but I've got two other projects I'm actively working. If I get a little more free time during the isolation, maybe I can finally break the idea down in full here.

So, I may or may not have finally started work on the pitch deck for this project last night. I have three other legit projects (for my company) that I'm balancing right now, so, again, this is going to have to be like a just-a-few-hours-every-week kind of thing for the time being. That said I can't get the idea out of my head, to the point where I need to start channeling it in some way, and chipping away the story however I can.

Again, the idea takes place at the time of the Clone Wars, and based on recommendations, I'm finally going to knock out the final four episodes of The Clone Wars this week (having seen none of it prior), and then may go back and watch chunks of the rest here and there, depending on time and the potential need for more info.

As of now, however, I have two questions...

• Is there a existing planet, around the time of the Clone Wars, that a Jedi from Coruscant could be dispatched to, that maybe at first seems like a babysitting job, but ultimately ends up being of consequential/strategic value at the time Order 66 is enacted? Basically, I have two options in this regard: 1) create a planet/conflict that meets this criteria (which I have a feeling is what I'll end up doing), or 2) utilize an existing setting/glimpse/mention of a planet/conflict, perhaps from The Clone Wars series or books, that meets this criteria. Act One of this story takes place on Coruscant, primarily at the Jedi Temple, during the time of the Clone Wars. From there, a small group (maybe three or four individuals) is dispatched to a remote area/planet that none are too thrilled to be assigned, as it's not at all where the action is. I haven't figured out the exact specifics yet, but I see it as one Jedi, in particular, who is being sent to oversee this babysitting mission of sorts as a result of some kind of disciplinary action. He's not the lead of the story - he would instead have second billing - but he's in charge of the operation, and I need him to be somewhat disgruntled about where he's being sent and the menial job he's being asked to oversee. However, halfway through the story, I need this particular planet/situation to, as fate would have it, somehow turn out to be important enough that, when Order 66 is enacted, this particular place is attacked and destroyed in the final act. Maybe there's some kind of secret/remote "good guy" base or experiment going on there that our main characters come to learn about - as do the "bad guys" as well, eventually - and when Order 66 is enacted, this place is ultimately destroyed.

• The other question is in regards to a villain meeting this same, basic criteria. I will almost assuredly invent this character regardless, and he doesn't need to be a Sith or anything like that, but if there happens to be a planet/situation that comes to mind and meets the above criteria, I'm wondering if there's also a villain-esque character on that planet who comes to mind as well.

Regardless, this is NOT a big, epic story, and when it comes to well known characters, it would maybe only feature Yoda in the opening act in a scene or two. Otherwise, this would be a relatively small and contained movie. Think the scale of The Mandalorian, but maybe even smaller, until the final act when a significant enough fight/battle of sorts breaks out due to Order 66 in this particular neck of the woods. In other words, I'm actively looking to avoid weaving this story with any other super-well-known planets/events, and am just wondering if there's some kind of relatively minor planet/event that has maybe been seen or mentioned in canon around this time that would fit this criteria. To be clear, I think I would rather just invent it all, but if there's a situation I can't pass up, and fits perfectly, this could act as nice tie-in or utilization.

Thanks!

TCTTS said:

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• Maybe there's some kind of secret/remote "good guy" base or experiment going on there that our main characters come to learn about - as do the "bad guys" as well, eventually - and when Order 66 is enacted, this place is ultimately destroyed.

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Thanks for spoiling the ending.

Ha, there's way more to it than that. It would be a bittersweet ending for sure, but the "sweet" of it would be the coolest/most defining aspect.

Does it have to be within the timeline of the skywalker saga? Could probably find more interesting conflicts or set ups Going back in time to the old republic setting.

I am also heavily biased and just want to completely move on from anything involving the skywalker saga. I'm praying the mandalorian keeps on its own path and stays pretty separate.

TCTTS,

Here's an idea for your setting: the planet Ilum.

Ilum is the main source of kyber crystals in the SW universe. Kyber crsytals are used in lightsabers, and jedi younglings make a pilgramage to Ilum to "pick" their kyber crystal in a "wand chooses the wizard" sort of way. Watch Clone Wars S5E6 for more about this.

Anyways, the setting could easily be a Jedi Temple/Conclave on Ilum. This would make it a strategically and traditionally important place for the Jedi. To the galaxy at large though, kyber crystals are basically loaded bombs for non-force users. So, your MC team is dispatched to a quiet stronghold that has never seen action in thousands of years.

However, a savvy Star Wars fan will know that kyber crystals were also used for a very large project: the Death Star. Kyber crystals focus and amplify their destructive power. Your third act/Order 66 crisis could be the new Empire rushing in to secure Ilum and eradicate the Jedi.

As a bonus, the crystal caves on Ilum offer lots of opportunity for various force visions you may want to add in.

Maybe some will see it as not a powerful enough for but for a villain, use a crime Lord from Black Sun or the Hutts

Grimey said:

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TCTTS,

Here's an idea for your setting: the planet Ilum.

Ilum is the main source of kyber crystals in the SW universe. Kyber crsytals are used in lightsabers, and jedi younglings make a pilgramage to Ilum to "pick" their kyber crystal in a "wand chooses the wizard" sort of way. Watch Clone Wars S5E6 for more about this.

Anyways, the setting could easily be a Jedi Temple/Conclave on Ilum. This would make it a strategically and traditionally important place for the Jedi. To the galaxy at large though, kyber crystals are basically loaded bombs for non-force users. So, your MC team is dispatched to a quiet stronghold that has never seen action in thousands of years.

However, a savvy Star Wars fan will know that kyber crystals were also used for a very large project: the Death Star. Kyber crystals focus and amplify their destructive power. Your third act/Order 66 crisis could be the new Empire rushing in to secure Ilum and eradicate the Jedi.

As a bonus, the crystal caves on Ilum offer lots of opportunity for various force visions you may want to add in.

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might tread too close to this episode

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Gathering_(episode)

tv1113 said:

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Does it have to be within the timeline of the skywalker saga? Could probably find more interesting conflicts or set ups Going back in time to the old republic setting.

I am also heavily biased and just want to completely move on from anything involving the skywalker saga. I'm praying the mandalorian keeps on its own path and stays pretty separate.

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Trust me, I'm totally with you on wanting to move on from the timeline of the Skywalker saga and do something new. First of all, there's no Anakin or Obi-Wan or Jedi Council or anything along those lines in this story. Yes, we start out on Coruscant in the Jedi Temple, and Yoda might make a cameo of sorts, but again, the final two-thirds of the story take place removed from all of that, from the war (at least until the very end), and any other prequel/Clone Wars familiarity for the most part. It's very Mandalorian in that regard as well. That, and what I *am* using of the old and familiar is in service of doing something totally new an unexpected - which basically the entire point of the movie. But most importantly, yes, it needs to be this specific moment in history, because the main character's arc hinges on it. I need a point in time when A) the Jedi exist and are prevalent, but B) when they cease to exist by the end of the story. Those two story points are crucial to the plight of the main character.

Finally, in the fantasy dream world where this movie actually becomes a reality, I not only have a badass sequel in mind, but both movies together would serve as a "backdoor pilot" of sorts for a story/adventure that could take place after even the sequel trilogy (though this has nothing to do with time travel). It's hard to explain without breaking it all down, but I promise you, there's a point and a necessity to setting it at this specific moment in Star Wars history.

MuckRaker96 said:

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Grimey said:

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TCTTS,

Here's an idea for your setting: the planet Ilum.

Ilum is the main source of kyber crystals in the SW universe. Kyber crsytals are used in lightsabers, and jedi younglings make a pilgramage to Ilum to "pick" their kyber crystal in a "wand chooses the wizard" sort of way. Watch Clone Wars S5E6 for more about this.

Anyways, the setting could easily be a Jedi Temple/Conclave on Ilum. This would make it a strategically and traditionally important place for the Jedi. To the galaxy at large though, kyber crystals are basically loaded bombs for non-force users. So, your MC team is dispatched to a quiet stronghold that has never seen action in thousands of years.

However, a savvy Star Wars fan will know that kyber crystals were also used for a very large project: the Death Star. Kyber crystals focus and amplify their destructive power. Your third act/Order 66 crisis could be the new Empire rushing in to secure Ilum and eradicate the Jedi.

As a bonus, the crystal caves on Ilum offer lots of opportunity for various force visions you may want to add in.

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might tread too close to this episode

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Gathering_(episode)

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Yeah, and though obviously not a central part of the movie, Rogue One touches on this as well with kyber crystal mining on Jedha. It's certainly an option, for sure, but I also don't want to get too bogged down with tying it to the Death Star construction or anything like that. It's a fine line figuring out how much this planet/situation needs to be connected to the broader goings-on in the galaxy. I want it to matter, in a way, but I also need this conflict/situation to be fairly contained. It's less about how it connects to the greater Star Wars universe/plot and more about how it impacts the arc of the central character.

Though, the more I think about it, Ilum might be perfect. Both in the way it could low key incorporate the broader plot, but more importantly in how it could be utilized for theme and the arc of the main character. It's hard to say. I just don't want there to be any "pilgrimage" aspect to the mission at the outset, and I again, I worry about tying yet another SW story to the Death Star in any way, even if tangentially.

I want the Jedi character (who, again, isn't the main character) to be disgruntled about this assignment, and it needs to serve as a form of punishment of sorts as well. Like a detective who screwed up and has to be a beat cop again for a few months before returning to his old job (think McNulty in season three of The Wire). Then again, this *is* a Jedi who is experiencing a crisis of faith so to speak - that's the root of his infraction to begin with - and so maybe being assigned to some menial mission on Ilum is both "punishment" AND a means of hoping he "finds himself" again.

Maybe I need to watch that particular Clone Wars episode and see if this potential route would be treading on it too much...

If not kyber crystals, are there any other mining efforts in the SW galaxy around this time that the Empire might need once they take over? Like, it starts out as some kind of tribal dispute or something, and our Jedi, the main character, and maybe a couple other characters, are sent to help negotiate/keep the peace? Or is that too much like how The Phantom Menace kicks off? Which it still makes no sense to me as to why two Jedi were sent to help settle a trade dispute.

Ultimately, though, my gut says this needs to be a mystery of some kind. Where the menial task this group is sent to oversee is simply what brings them there, but then maybe something doesn't seem quite right, they start to investigate more, and eventually discover that there's a lot more to the situation that initially thought - something that could have much bigger implications for the war abroad in some way (which I guess the Ilum situation would actually be).

A few things...

First, you should watch the first 5-10 minutes of that clone wars episode. That's all you need to "get" Ilum.

Second, I want to clarify that your Jedi would not be on a pilgramage. If you watch the episode, he would basically have Yoda's role. Or, in another context, think of the last crusader in The Last Crusade. He has an "important" job in a holy place, but functionally he sits around being bored for years at a time. A museum curator.

Third, you could easily reroute around Death Star tie-ins by coming at it by another equally true angle. Palpatine is trying to erase the Jedi from existence forever and what better way is there than to remove their ability to make lightsabers? You say that your non-MC Jedi is losing his faith. Well, how is he/she going to respond when one of their fundamentals (lightsabers) are lost? Additionally, if your Jedi is on the more martial side, how will they respond to an attack on the very thing they wrap their identity into- the lightsaber.

Fourth, Jedi Temples can be full of any sort of stuff you want as a mcguffin. I'm sure the Jedi have acquired lots of powerful things over the millenia.

That's not a bad way to go, potentially. The trick is that the situation on Ilum (or wherever) needs to raise a flag high enough to warrant sending the Jedi character there, but it also needs to be perceived by the Jedi character as being a nothing/babysitting job. Then, we gets there, he senses that something's not quite right, he investigates further, and discovers something more sinister, something worth caring about. Covert kyber crystal mining feels like it would fit the later, but perhaps it's something else - something more menial - that calls for the Jedi to send the Jedi character there in the first place.

Regardless, I appreciate the brainstorm. I'll definitely watch that episode soon, do some more research, and see if it's potentially the right play or not.

I have always been interested in the actual construction of a light saber. We see Luke in a (deleted) scene in RotJ using a screwdriver on his new green lightsaber, but that's the extend of lightsaber assembly we see in a film.

The KOTOR games provide some interesting backstory into Kyber crystals (color, strengths, etc). You also have crystals that were used by people in the past and been "imbued" with certain characteristics that can carry on to the next owner.

Exploring a little bit of this lore on the big screen would be really awesome. Perhaps the Macguffin is the protagonist is looking for a specific crystal that was used by an ancient Jedi/Sith.

That could be super cool, and relevant to this story. Have they really never shown that, not even in any of the animated series?

There's a bunch of good lightsaber stuff and Ilum in the newish Jedi Fallen Order video game too. Game actually had a great story too. Much better than any of the three newest trilogy movies anyway.

Anyway, I'm sure there's a ton of YouTube videos that have all the cinematic cutscenes or major plot points if you're interested.

Thanks. Will look into it.

Ok, I just watched a bunch of game play and a cutscene and yeah, I think Ilum could potentially be the way to go. It certainly checks a lot of boxes, including the fact that the Empire has a presence there in Fallen Order (which takes place five years after Episode III), but didn't pre-Order 66 (at least officially), which is exactly what I need.

I have two concerns, though...

1) A Clone Wars episode and now a level of the most recent SW game take place on Ilum. We've seen it, and to die hards, at least, it wouldn't be a new setting. That said, the vast majority of the movie-going audience obviously wouldn't have seen that episode or played the game, so maybe that's not too big of a deal. In fact, maybe finally seeing it cinematically would be exciting?

2) Basically three-fourths of the movie would take place on an icy snow planet. That's not quite what I had in mind, but given the new Mandalorian "volume" tech, it would actually make the movie relatively cheap to film, which is a plus. But as fans/audience members, would you guys get bored of an ice/snow location for an hour and a half or so (after spending the first 25-30 minutes on Coruscant)? It would basically be if Hoth lasted an hour and a half as opposed to only being the first act, and I'm worried that it's too remote/desolate. I wanted a remote location, but I at least pictured some kind of village or tribe or operation of some sort that the main characters are interacting with (think the episode of The Mandalorian where he helps the villagers defend their land - something along those lines).

You could maybe have the Jedi follow the stolen shipment of crystals from Ilum to another location?

That's not a bad idea...

Act 1 (30 min) = Coruscant
Act 2 (60 min) = Ilum
Act 3 (30 min) = Mystery kyber crystal delivery planet

I'd like to see something where the Jedi of the Old Republic have a secret prison somewhere full of Jedi gone bad or dark side users. Seems like they wouldn't kill anyone unless absolutely necessary but would have some sort of freakish prison for them, like what they have Magneto in during Xmen and Xmen 2.Have something happen where some enemy attacks the world they are on and they let the crazy ones out to fight, sort of like in Assault on Precinct 13.

That could make for a great movie. Love it.

MuckRaker96 said:

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I'd like to see something where the Jedi of the Old Republic have a secret prison somewhere full of Jedi gone bad or dark side users. Seems like they wouldn't kill anyone unless absolutely necessary but would have some sort of freakish prison for them, like what they have Magneto in during Xmen and Xmen 2.Have something happen where some enemy attacks the world they are on and they let the crazy ones out to fight, sort of like in Assault on Precinct 13.

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If we're talking Old Republic, you're looking for Belsavis. Featured in the SWTOR MMO.

TCTTS said:

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That could make for a great movie. Love it.

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It's what I really would have liked see in a movie like AOTC in the big arena fight - all these different species of Jedi having all kinds of different crazy powers. If you read enough EU stuff as I did back then, many of the Jedi Council members had amazing abilities, among them Mace Windu and his ability so see a "shatterpoint" in the Force, but alas, all they could do in AOTC was wave lightsabers around and occasionally use the Force.

So I watched the Ilum episode of Clone Wars and then another random episode I thought might be relevant. Having now seen how deserted Ilum seemingly is, I don't know if it'd work for this particular story. There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot going in there, to the point where I don't know that it'd make sense for Palpatine to start covertly mining kyber crystal there before Order 66. Though, I'll keep researching/thinking on it, and at the very least, I can potentially use kernels of some of these brainstorms for another planet.

That said, another quick/relevant question...

Are there any episodes of The Clone Wars or is there anything from the books that shows/talks about any kind of training program, fight/combat-wise, in the Jedi Temple itself? What I need for the first act is to show either younglings or padawans or even Jedi in a training simulation - like with holograms or maybe even as life-like as something like the Holodeck in Star Trek. But before I commit, I just want to see if anything like that has been shown before, or if they've ever shown any kind of fight/combat training at all in the Jedi Temple.

RE: lightsaber construction, in the episode after the Ilum episode they show the kids making their lightsabers. Basically they use the Force to try and get the components to fit together

Dantooine. Old Jedi temple, Rakata artifacts, Clone Wars Battle, and a tie in to A New Hope.

I think this could be your third planet, or Ilum stand-in. Your Jedi could be babysitting an archeologist studying old Jedi artifacts/Rakata or the like. Plus the Emperor could seek to avenge the previous defeat there and wipe away signs of the Jedi and/or hunt Sith artifacts.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dantooine/Legends