Could searching the ruins of Jeddha work?

Dekker_Lentz said:

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Dantooine. Old Jedi temple, Rakata artifacts, Clone Wars Battle, and a tie in to A New Hope.

I think this could be your third planet, or Ilum stand-in. Your Jedi could be babysitting an archeologist studying old Jedi artifacts/Rakata or the like. Plus the Emperor could seek to avenge the previous defeat there and wipe away signs of the Jedi and/or hunt Sith artifacts.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dantooine/Legends

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Sorry, I read this yesterday and then completely forgot to follow up. But I just read everything at the link you provided, and I really dig Dantooine as a potential location. I think there needs to be something more than the Emperor *just* wanting to wipe away signs of the Jedi, but that should definitely be part of it. Erasing not just the Jedi, but Jedi lore could play into exactly what I'm trying to do in a really cool way. Though, again, I need some kind of mystery or shady dealings going on that need to be investigated there first by the Jedi character and the main character before Order 66 goes down in the third act and lays waste to the place. But yeah, more than anything, what I like about Dantooine is that it fulfills roughly the same thematic kind of Jedi lore aspect that Ilum does, but features way more life/civilization (though not too much, which is perfect).

Anyway, I need to do some more research, but I like this angle so far. Good call.

Blatant Disregard said:

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Could searching the ruins of Jeddha work?

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If Rogue One didn't exist and a huge chunk of the movie didn't take place on Jeddha, it would be perfect. But I really want to avoid going to a planet we've already been to cinematically, especially a planet in the latest Disney era of films.

TCTTS said:

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Blatant Disregard said:

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Could searching the ruins of Jeddha work?

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If Rogue One didn't exist and a huge chunk of the movie didn't take place on Jeddha, it would be perfect. But I really want to avoid going to a planet we've already been to cinematically, especially a planet in the latest Disney era of films.

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but the only thing we know about Jeddha regarding the Jedi is that it USED to be important and that it got blow'd up by the bad guys

Could add a lot more lore and weight to the story if we were to learn just how important it was only to still know it gets blown away later on...

TCTTS said:

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That said, another quick/relevant question...

Are there any episodes of The Clone Wars or is there anything from the books that shows/talks about any kind of training program, fight/combat-wise, in the Jedi Temple itself? What I need for the first act is to show either younglings or padawans or even Jedi in a training simulation - like with holograms or maybe even as life-like as something like the Holodeck in Star Trek. But before I commit, I just want to see if anything like that has been shown before, or if they've ever shown any kind of fight/combat training at all in the Jedi Temple.

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I don't know if this is close enough to what you're talking about (and I hate to spoil some great stuff from Rebels) but Kanan has to fight a group of Temple Guards as part of his final Jedi Trials. It's a force vision of sorts that takes place inside a Jedi Temple on Lothal.

https://starwarsrebels.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Temple_Guard

With apologies to BES for the weird animation style...

That is such a bad ass scene. Too bad it's all drawn with stick figures

Y'all have weird animation hang-ups.

Look at those awful pencil thin lightsabers.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Look at those awful pencil thin lightsabers.

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goinjukin said:

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TCTTS said:

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That said, another quick/relevant question...

Are there any episodes of The Clone Wars or is there anything from the books that shows/talks about any kind of training program, fight/combat-wise, in the Jedi Temple itself? What I need for the first act is to show either younglings or padawans or even Jedi in a training simulation - like with holograms or maybe even as life-like as something like the Holodeck in Star Trek. But before I commit, I just want to see if anything like that has been shown before, or if they've ever shown any kind of fight/combat training at all in the Jedi Temple.

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I don't know if this is close enough to what you're talking about (and I hate to spoil some great stuff from Rebels) but Kanan has to fight a group of Temple Guards as part of his final Jedi Trials. It's a force vision of sorts that takes place inside a Jedi Temple on Lothal.

https://starwarsrebels.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Temple_Guard

With apologies to BES for the weird animation style...

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This is super interesting. Maybe the Jedi Temple version of a training holodeck could be "powered"/"manifested" by the Force in some way? That's not quite what I need, but there's definitely something there, and maybe it's a hybrid of sorts. Could be really cool and unique.

Thanks for the heads up!

jokershady said:

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TCTTS said:

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Blatant Disregard said:

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Could searching the ruins of Jeddha work?

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If Rogue One didn't exist and a huge chunk of the movie didn't take place on Jeddha, it would be perfect. But I really want to avoid going to a planet we've already been to cinematically, especially a planet in the latest Disney era of films.

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but the only thing we know about Jeddha regarding the Jedi is that it USED to be important and that it got blow'd up by the bad guys

Could add a lot more lore and weight to the story if we were to learn just how important it was only to still know it gets blown away later on...

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Possibly. It's more that we were *just* there in a recent movie, even if it wasn't in all its glory, and I need the story/settings to feel as fresh as possible after leaving Coruscant in act one.

TCTTS said:

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Though, the more I think about it, Ilum might be perfect. Both in the way it could low key incorporate the broader plot, but more importantly in how it could be utilized for theme and the arc of the main character. It's hard to say. I just don't want there to be any "pilgrimage" aspect to the mission at the outset, and I again, I worry about tying yet another SW story to the Death Star in any way, even if tangentially.

I want the Jedi character (who, again, isn't the main character) to be disgruntled about this assignment, and it needs to serve as a form of punishment of sorts as well. Like a detective who screwed up and has to be a beat cop again for a few months before returning to his old job (think McNulty in season three of The Wire). Then again, this *is* a Jedi who is experiencing a crisis of faith so to speak - that's the root of his infraction to begin with - and so maybe being assigned to some menial mission on Ilum is both "punishment" AND a means of hoping he "finds himself" again.

Maybe I need to watch that particular Clone Wars episode and see if this potential route would be treading on it too much...

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Spitballing. Back when we were all prognosticating that Rey was somehow cloned, I wrote a little act one story about a flashback of Imperial officers evacuating from Jakku as the Rebel fleet and troops were descending on a secret base after Death Star II was destroyed and the Empire was crumbling. My idea for the base was that it was top secret and the primary uses were a cloning facility of force sensitive beings (ala Rey) and also a Nazi-esque secured facility where stolen riches from around the galaxy were stored.

So my thought is, maybe Jakku is your planet.
Nerds (guilty) like nostalgia and familiar places seen in the past movies.
You said the Jedi in question is essentially being punished. Well, everyone hates Jakku. Great sandy Siberia to send a disgruntled Jedi on a mission to.
Yoda, or whomever, sends the Jedi to investigate some long shot intercepted intelligence that Separatists have built some sort of secret facility on Jakku that needs to be investigated. It sounds like a nothing burger. Even Yoda doubts it's legit. But this Jedi is in the doghouse so he pulls sh** detail.
They send a special squad of clone Commandos with the Jedi and his Padawan as backup, just in case.
But wait, there's more. Palpatine is briefed on the mission during a normal meeting and insists on sending along a female agent from his office as an observer to the mission. The Jedi are not comfortable with this but considering the mission looks like a goose chase anyway, allow it.
Palpatine's agent is skeptical of the Jedi but incredibly loyal to the Republic. There is friction early on but as the mission progresses she begins to come around.
By the end of the second act, the Jedi and the Agent figure out that the secret facility is meant to look like a Separatist operation, but really it is Palpatine's men. When agent secretly reports back in to Palpatine what she has discovered he informs her that Jedi have attempted to overthrow him and Order 66 is executed. The bewildered agent at this point has lost all confidence in Palpatine and tries to help the Jedi escape.
The Jedi dies fighting off the clones that have turned on him but the Agent is able to escape Jakku and thus available for your sequel and series. Now as a rebel.

A lot of these planets have a lot of baggage, history that has to be gotten right and fan preconceptions. With Ilum, for example, it's a bit of a tough sell that visiting the site where every Jedi has a crucial moment is a punishment, and in fact kind of forces you to add some introspection about your characters' last visit. Dantooine makes a little more sense, it's on record that it's remote and irrelevant.

I prefer the idea of a completely new planet or a super obscure reference that even most star wars fans won't get... I'd have to dig up my box of old star wars Legends novels to find one.

For an event, I remember in one novel that Jedi were sent to deal with a natural disaster. There was a city in a valley that was expected to be obliterated by mudslides so they sent a couple Jedi out to solve the problem. Not necessarily that, but dealing with a fairly mundane issue like that on planet Bumf*** 3 would seem even less interesting to the character than reining in an upstart warlord or calming a tribal conflict.

That said, for a movie, having one of those kinds of human conflicts on a smaller scale could give you a chance to explore the characters, environment, and mission/purpose of the Jedi order relative to how normal people experience life. Viewers could be drawn into that because it seems meaty enough to be the real story, then get sideswiped with a sudden/shocking escalation from plot/character driven drama to existential threat, or whatever you have planned.

Urban Ag said:

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TCTTS said:

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Though, the more I think about it, Ilum might be perfect. Both in the way it could low key incorporate the broader plot, but more importantly in how it could be utilized for theme and the arc of the main character. It's hard to say. I just don't want there to be any "pilgrimage" aspect to the mission at the outset, and I again, I worry about tying yet another SW story to the Death Star in any way, even if tangentially.

I want the Jedi character (who, again, isn't the main character) to be disgruntled about this assignment, and it needs to serve as a form of punishment of sorts as well. Like a detective who screwed up and has to be a beat cop again for a few months before returning to his old job (think McNulty in season three of The Wire). Then again, this *is* a Jedi who is experiencing a crisis of faith so to speak - that's the root of his infraction to begin with - and so maybe being assigned to some menial mission on Ilum is both "punishment" AND a means of hoping he "finds himself" again.

Maybe I need to watch that particular Clone Wars episode and see if this potential route would be treading on it too much...

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Spitballing. Back when we were all prognosticating that Rey was somehow cloned, I wrote a little act one story about a flashback of Imperial officers evacuating from Jakku as the Rebel fleet and troops were descending on a secret base after Death Star II was destroyed and the Empire was crumbling. My idea for the base was that it was top secret and the primary uses were a cloning facility of force sensitive beings (ala Rey) and also a Nazi-esque secured facility where stolen riches from around the galaxy were stored.

So my thought is, maybe Jakku is your planet.
Nerds (guilty) like nostalgia and familiar places seen in the past movies.
You said the Jedi in question is essentially being punished. Well, everyone hates Jakku. Great sandy Siberia to send a disgruntled Jedi on a mission to.
Yoda, or whomever, sends the Jedi to investigate some long shot intercepted intelligence that Separatists have built some sort of secret facility on Jakku that needs to be investigated. It sounds like a nothing burger. Even Yoda doubts it's legit. But this Jedi is in the doghouse so he pulls sh** detail.
They send a special squad of clone Commandos with the Jedi and his Padawan as backup, just in case.
But wait, there's more. Palpatine is briefed on the mission during a normal meeting and insists on sending along a female agent from his office as an observer to the mission. The Jedi are not comfortable with this but considering the mission looks like a goose chase anyway, allow it.
Palpatine's agent is skeptical of the Jedi but incredibly loyal to the Republic. There is friction early on but as the mission progresses she begins to come around.
By the end of the second act, the Jedi and the Agent figure out that the secret facility is meant to look like a Separatist operation, but really it is Palpatine's men. When agent secretly reports back in to Palpatine what she has discovered he informs her that Jedi have attempted to overthrow him and Order 66 is executed. The bewildered agent at this point has lost all confidence in Palpatine and tries to help the Jedi escape.
The Jedi dies fighting off the clones that have turned on him but the Agent is able to escape Jakku and thus available for your sequel and series. Now as a rebel.

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I like the broad strokes, and the "secret facility" aspect is exactly what I'm after. That said...

- Again, I don't want to visit a planet we've already seen, especially in the Disney era of films. Good thing is, the same, basic, "secret facility" concept can be used on just about any planet.

- Palpatine can't be in it. Not only because of McDiarmid's age, but I don't want this to feature any familiar faces, save for maybe Yoda in an early scene or two. Though, there are a couple of idea kernels here to potentially pull from.

- I should clarify again that this movie isn't necessarily about the Jedi character. He's the second lead, and I'd say he gets 40% of the attention where as the true lead gets 60%. Something along those lines. And it's not quite a master/padawan relationship either.

Ulrich said:

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A lot of these planets have a lot of baggage, history that has to be gotten right and fan preconceptions. With Ilum, for example, it's a bit of a tough sell that visiting the site where every Jedi has a crucial moment is a punishment, and in fact kind of forces you to add some introspection about your characters' last visit. Dantooine makes a little more sense, it's on record that it's remote and irrelevant.

I prefer the idea of a completely new planet or a super obscure reference that even most star wars fans won't get... I'd have to dig up my box of old star wars Legends novels to find one.

For an event, I remember in one novel that Jedi were sent to deal with a natural disaster. There was a city in a valley that was expected to be obliterated by mudslides so they sent a couple Jedi out to solve the problem. Not necessarily that, but dealing with a fairly mundane issue like that on planet Bumf*** 3 would seem even less interesting to the character than reining in an upstart warlord or calming a tribal conflict.

That said, for a movie, having one of those kinds of human conflicts on a smaller scale could give you a chance to explore the characters, environment, and mission/purpose of the Jedi order relative to how normal people experience life. Viewers could be drawn into that because it seems meaty enough to be the real story, then get sideswiped with a sudden/shocking escalation from plot/character driven drama to existential threat, or whatever you have planned.

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In 100% agreement, re: the planet setting. I don't mind Dantooine, only because it's never been seen on screen, but yeah, my gut is still to just invent a new one.

I like your natural disaster angle idea, too. I'm looking for something that starts out along those lines - something "mundane" like a natural disaster or a local, Regular Joe human conflict - but then a string is pulled and it ultimately leads to a "secret facility" type scenario that's the ultimate root cause of the more mundane issue. But yeah, I definitely want to "explore the characters, environment, and mission/purpose of the Jedi order relative to how normal people experience life." That's a great way to put it. I basically need it to start out as that, but lead to something bigger/more mysterious, that ultimately somehow is affected in some way by Order 66. I don't need clone troopers to be on this planet and to suddenly turn and start killing people (though I'm not against that), but I do need the effects of Order 66 to at least be felt - in some way, shape, or form - toward the end of the story.

I'm tempted to just break down the "big idea" of the movie here in the thread, so this is all way easier to explain. It's not that I'm at all worried about it being "stolen" or anything like that - and I would absolutely love to bounce the overall concept off you guys - it's more that if I ever did have the chance to actually pitch it, I might be shooting myself in the foot from the get-go by there being entire thread online devoted to the idea being discussed publicly. Again, the odds are a million to one of ever even being in that position, but I *do* believe that within the next two or three years, with our company's continued/potential success, at least getting a meeting isn't at all out of the realm of possibility. That, and I guess I could just ask TexAgs to take the thread down should that ever happen, even though I don't know that that would completely solve the issue.

Let me think on it...

When I think of a planet that would be punishment for a Jedi I think of Myrkr

Ag Since 83 said:

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When I think of a planet that would be punishment for a Jedi I think of Myrkr

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Jedi not being able to use the Force is an interesting area to play in, but wouldn't be compatible with a lot of plot lines.

Wait a minute. Expand on that, if you don't mind. I just read a brief thing on Myrkr, didn't see any mention of that, but that basic concept could maybe actually play into my overall idea.

Maybe if you set up a private Discord server or something that you control access to?

Yeah, but even then people can still theoretically copy and paste and save huge chunks of the convo, so it's really no different than just asking TexAgs to eventually take down the thread should it come to that. I'm being overly paranoid for something so inconsequential, so maybe I just go with it.

TCTTS said:

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Wait a minute. Expand on that, if you don't mind. I just read a brief thing on Myrkr, didn't see any mention of that, but that basic concept could maybe actually play into my overall idea.

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Myrkyr was in the Thrawn trilogy of books, so it's well-known to any hardcore EU junkie but not so obvious to the normal moviegoer. Myrkyr is home to the ysalimiri, a nonsentient slothlike creature that naturally suppresses the Force. When there's just one, anything within 1-5 meters (depending on the individual ysalimiri) can't touch the Force. But it's a reinforcing effect, so on a planet with millions of them, no one on the planet or even a few thousand feet above the planet can touch the Force.

It's one of the reasons the famous smuggler Talon Karrde put his smuggler base there, the Jedi stayed away and wouldn't be any better than normal people anyway.

It's also home to a very aggressive wolflike critter whose species I have forgotten (Karrde named his pair Sturm and Drang) that hunts using some aspect of the Force, which is why the ysalimiri developed that ability. They go after Jedi hard, which is another reason Jedi stay away.

This is all core EU and I don't know how much is canon nowadays, I haven't read anything post-Legends.

Verrrrry interesting. I don't know yet if that helps or hurts my idea, but it's certainly worth considering. I appreciate the breakdown.

TCTTS said:

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Verrrrry interesting. I don't know if that helps or hurts my idea, but it's certainly worth considering. I appreciate the breakdown.

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Being sent either there or to a planet with a similar dampening effect would definitely seem like a punishment.

A variant of that idea... the Yuuzhan Vong, a sentient species that invaded from another galaxy, were separate from the Force. That raised all these issues where the Jedi couldn't sense what they were thinking and feeling, so relating to them and understanding their perspective became a whole can of worms to root around in. It didn't affect the Jedis other abilities at all, they still had all their abilities. But a YV could be standing 3 feet away behind a curtain and a Jedi would have no idea it was there.

The only canon appearance of the Ysalamiri So far is the sculptures Thrawn has on the Chimaera - nothing about their powers

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- I should clarify again that this movie isn't necessarily about the Jedi character. He's the second lead, and I'd say he gets 40% of the attention where as the true lead gets 60%. Something along those lines. And it's not quite a master/padawan relationship either.

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I haven't kept up with this thread or seen if you've divulged much more, but this part right here made me realize how much I need a Star Wars buddy cop movie in my life.

You're working with Steven Spielberg?!

You're working on that long-awaited sequel to Strange Magic, aren't you??!?

Are you still open to chatting about the idea, or have you shut down input from here? I missed the original incarnation of this thread.