FightinTexasAg15 said:

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I'm willing to give the first season some leeway as long as it shows promise and has at least some flashes of brilliance. The Office, P&R, Brooklyn 99, etc all had mediocre first seasons

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Not to derail, just always surprised when people are down on the Office's first season. They were obviously not sure what direction to go, but all the episodes are great.

Pilot
Diversity Day
Health Care
The Alliance
Basketball
Hot Girl

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hunter2012 said:

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this could have potential if they keep clear of politics and aim for a hybrid of the "Office" and the "IT Crowd"

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A guy at work gets chosen to test for Netflix from time to time and got to preview this. He said that they do not keep clear of politics and it isn't neutral when they go that route. There are jokes that don't even fit the scene and seem to be put in there just to be anti-trump or anti-conservative. The president is an obvious caricature of Trump. In his words, the political stuff isn't middle of the road political satire, it's a for sure shot at anything that isn't Hollywood Liberal.

Politically, that dude is as Libertarian as they come, is not a fan of Trump, and said that the only reason that he kept watching is that he felt obligated.

I'll give it a shot, but based on the sneak peeks and what he said, I don't have high hopes.

Even the critics that I've read aren't enthralled by it and they love to give Daniels and Carrel credit whenever possible.

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That's disappointing to hear but I'll still give it a try. In the last several years I have tuned out on several shows I enjoy because they eventually went so overboard on being woke and carrying a narrative that it just killed it for me.

I think one of the reasons that The Office is so well loved by such a broad stroke of society is that it remained apolitical for the most part. More so, it took what could be polarizing figures from either side of the political/cultural spectrum and made them characters you couldn't help but love. That's a formula for success. We just started P&R a few weeks ago and are in S3 and it seems to be a similar formula. Mostly apolitical but the characters that represent divergent political/cultural views are still characters you can't help but love. Ron Swanson is a great example.

P&R definitely gives liberal ideas a more thorough endorsement and spends a lot of time caricaturing Big Business, but it also pokes fun at some of the liberal ideas and their libertarian character is a strong, competent person.

Even though i ultimately dont think it is balanced, the fact that they make the effort sets them apart and keeps me from being irritated.

I just couldn't imagine having my enjoyment of a tv show or movie being ruined by political opinions.
This show very well could suck, but it won't be because they make fun of Trump (if they even do)

To me P&R perfectly balanced the politics.

Much like the rest of the show they were mostly positive and never took shots at anyone. Toward the end Michelle Obama and Biden had cameos, but they fit the story.

Probably because it only really works one way so you haven't had to experience your perspectives being constantly crapped on.

Let me provide an example. Ballers was a mind numb Sunday night guilty pleasure. The Rock and Rob Corddry jumping around from coke blasted south Florida party after party, hot women everywhere, set to the backdrop of NFL player hijinks, was actually fun. by season three it stopped being about "fun" and went pure social justice. Undeniable. Sorry but I'm here for the hot chicks on yachts, not "that".

I don't see why that's hard to understand at all. It's not fun anymore.

Ballers?
Sounds like you just like bad TV.

PatAg said:

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I just couldn't imagine having my enjoyment of a tv show or movie being ruined by political opinions.
This show very well could suck, but it won't be because they make fun of Trump (if they even do)

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I don't have a problem when a show makes fun of something political, as long as they aren't beating you over the head with their beliefs. For instance, Saturday Night Live has always made fun of presidents and other political figures, but it's been the We Hate Trump Show the past couple years.

One of the best things about South Park is that they roast everybody and everything

Urban Ag said:

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Probably because it only really works one way so you haven't had to experience your perspectives being constantly crapped on.

Let me provide an example. Ballers was a mind numb Sunday night guilty pleasure. The Rock and Rob Corddry jumping around from coke blasted south Florida party after party, hot women everywhere, set to the backdrop of NFL player hijinks, was actually fun. by season three it stopped being about "fun" and went pure social justice. Undeniable. Sorry but I'm here for the hot chicks on yachts, not "that".

I don't see why that's hard to understand at all. It's not fun anymore.

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You know my political views? I just don't attach myself to any particular politician, it's a really bizarre thing to do.

You guys realize this show was created in direct response to Trump establishing the real-life Space Force, right? The only reason it exists is to mock something Trump did. Why anyone is surprised there would political undertones or jabs at a Trump-like president is beyond me.

Not surprised, just disappointed. Seems like a waste of all that talent.

I wish entertainment was more metaphorical and oblique with its critiques. "Ha, that's dumb, let's make a show about it" is a little too on the nose.

TCTTS said:

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You guys realize this show was created in direct response to Trump establishing the real-life Space Force, right? The only reason it exists is to mock something Trump did. Why anyone is surprised there would political undertones or jabs at a Trump-like president is beyond me.

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It can be done well, or done poorly. So far reviews make it seem like is was done poorly.

Ulrich said:

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Not surprised, just disappointed. Seems like a waste of all that talent.

I wish entertainment was more metaphorical and oblique with its critiques. "Ha, that's dumb, let's make a show about it" is a little too on the nose.

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I think it all just depends if they are clever about it.
If you truly enjoy comedy, nothing should be off limits as long as its clever.

I honestly think the great cast is a detriment to a show like this.

P&R and the office were so great and didn't have a lot of names when they started. To me this allowed characters like Donna to slowly develop and become more prominent where shows with star power usually try to shoehorn everyone in.

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Ballers?
Sounds like you just like bad TV.

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Ballers was a mind numb Sunday night guilty pleasure. The Rock and Rob Corddry jumping around from coke blasted south Florida party after party, hot women everywhere, set to the backdrop of NFL player hijinks, was actually fun.

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What part of the above is hard to understand?

powerbelly said:

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I honestly think the great cast is a detriment to a show like this.

P&R and the office were so great and didn't have a lot of names when they started. To me this allowed characters like Donna to slowly develop and become more prominent where shows with star power usually try to shoehorn everyone in.

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That's a good point. With bigger names, it's easier to form a bias early on instead of letting the characters develop. The Office and P&R are great examples of that.

This feels more like a satire film that was stretched into a series.

Urban Ag said:

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Probably because it only really works one way so you haven't had to experience your perspectives being constantly crapped on.

Let me provide an example. Ballers was a mind numb Sunday night guilty pleasure. The Rock and Rob Corddry jumping around from coke blasted south Florida party after party, hot women everywhere, set to the backdrop of NFL player hijinks, was actually fun. by season three it stopped being about "fun" and went pure social justice. Undeniable. Sorry but I'm here for the hot chicks on yachts, not "that".

I don't see why that's hard to understand at all. It's not fun anymore.

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LIfe's a lot better if you don't view everything through the lens of whatever political beliefs you have. Thicker skin helps too. For all the criticisms of "snowflakes" that conservatives dispense, they're always first in line to complain about how butthurt they are when someone has a different opinion.

Quick, name one tv show centered around mocking Obama.

They had 8 years to do it. It's just comedy right? The closest we got were some softballs by SNL playfully mocking Obama's speech patters, which they do with every president.

As said previously, for people who lean conservative, we are constantly beat over the head with politics in tv and movies, and its always one sided.

I still roll my eyes quite a lot, but I've HAD to learn that its just the way things are. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much in my line of preferred entertainment left to watch. And i can't just ignore it. I'm someone who follows politics closely and is right leaning. There is very little in mainstream entertainment and media that paints my views as normal and accepted. There's very little that makes fun of the political beliefs of people who constantly tell me that I have think skin. It's easy to tell others to lighten up when you don't have to be faced with the same situations.

I just wish there was one year where it all tilted the other direction. I truly don't think some of you realize how tiresome, uncreative, and annoying it is to constantly be beat over the head with the same tropes and messages. For a lot of you, it affirms your beliefs. For others.. you dont care about politics.. so you see it as neutral or unassuming.

As far as this show, I don't see how it can be bad unless they are just 100% uncreative and cartoonish with their jokes. The general idea of the show makes me laugh, even if there's some planted quibs about Trump and conservatives. "Space Force" is an easy target to take out of context and make a comedy about.

Let's just say Obama wasnt as...boldly himself as Trump is. Which is part of why people tend to feel strongly about Trump(for and against), and it opens him more to being satirized/mocked.

Also, Trump was a target for lampooning for decades prior to becoming president, so it's not entirely apples to apples.

Then again, they were pretty ruthless regarding Bush, but I feel like they didn't pull many punches with Clinton (could be wrong).

I remember certain standup segments and some sketches mocking Obama somewhat, but definitely nothing to the same extent and not as much as he deserved. I figure that is due to a lot of people in certain positions of power in the comedic world being hypocrites and not being willing to hold their own accountable. I always felt like Jon Stewart was the only guy/show that was willing to flame anyone being ridiculous/horrible in the political world. He tended to do more Republican stuff, but it was not entirely one sided.

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Let's just say Obama wasnt as...boldly himself as Trump is. Which is part of why people tend to feel strongly about Trump(for and against), and it opens him more to being satirized/mocked.

Also, Trump was a target for lampooning for decades prior to becoming president, so it's not entirely apples to apples.

Then again, they were pretty ruthless regarding Bush, but I feel like they didn't pull many punches with Clinton (could be wrong).

I remember certain standup segments and some sketches mocking Obama somewhat, but definitely nothing to the same extent and not as much as he deserved. I figure that is due to a lot of people in certain positions of power in the comedic world being hypocrites and not being willing to hold their own accountable. I always felt like Jon Stewart was the only guy/show that was willing to flame anyone being ridiculous/horrible in the political world. He tended to do more Republican stuff, but it was not entirely one sided.

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You're not wrong. Clinton definitely took a lot of flak. And comedy central in general was a lot more nuetral back then. But that's why it's so noticeable. Over the last 10 or so years, there has definitely been a major shift to one side. And we're called snowflakes if we mention it. I'm trying to imagine a world where "our cartoon president" was about Obama and not considered racist and mean.. much less even picked up by a content provider with any viewership.

But I've made my point. I can hear some of you rolling your eyes already, so I'll shut up.

As I said before, I'm still looking forward to this show. The subject material has a lot of potential.

I enjoy when the 16ers use social justice as an insult.

The reason Trump satire imo isn't ever that great is because he already is a cartoon of a person. So you are making a person who says funny or silly things regularly even more funny or silly, and it just comes off very childish in the humor level.

Back on track, disappointed that the reviews haven't been great so far.

I'm going to give it a shot just for the Jean Ralphio sighting in the trailer.

I Am A Critic said:

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Urban Ag said:

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Probably because it only really works one way so you haven't had to experience your perspectives being constantly crapped on.

Let me provide an example. Ballers was a mind numb Sunday night guilty pleasure. The Rock and Rob Corddry jumping around from coke blasted south Florida party after party, hot women everywhere, set to the backdrop of NFL player hijinks, was actually fun. by season three it stopped being about "fun" and went pure social justice. Undeniable. Sorry but I'm here for the hot chicks on yachts, not "that".

I don't see why that's hard to understand at all. It's not fun anymore.

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LIfe's a lot better if you don't view everything through the lens of whatever political beliefs you have. Thicker skin helps too. For all the criticisms of "snowflakes" that conservatives dispense, they're always first in line to complain about how butthurt they are when someone has a different opinion.

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I don't see what's so wrong with someone on an entertainment board about a particular show saying they would rather not spend their free time watching something that spends 100% of its time bashing his/her political beliefs. The claim about "snowflakes" is the perceived desire of leftists to not want to discuss opposing views or shouting down civil speech.

I personally would rather not spend my free time watching something that just attacks things I believe in. Life is short, i'm going to do things I actually enjoy.

I think the reference to shows like P&R is spot on. Not once did I feel like it was trying to force an idea on me. It was making fun of the ridiculousness of government the whole time. Also, as mentioned before, it had a great libertarian character pushing back and made it lighthearted and fun.

Veep is another show that was fantastic no matter what side of the aisle you are on. It shows you just how corrupt and inept everyone is, republican or democrat. Oh... and both shows are actually good.

I am the exact same way with late night talk shows. Cobert is not funny anymore, to me. Why would I watch that stuff? Conan makes fun of Trump all the time, but he doesn't seem to do it with as much vitriol as others. It does it how I like my comedy to be... in a way that doesn't take itself so seriously. For me, comparing SNL's Trump sketches to Conan's Trump and Obama phone call sketches don't even compare. I laugh my ass off with the Trump/Obama phone call sketches and just stare at the screen during SNL.

But, let's go back to insulting fellow Ags for their opinions... not like we all have anything better to do...

Can you point me to that time in history when Colbert wasnt political and making fun of conservatives?

Y'all ruined this thread.


Peace!!!

Hollywood only cares about making money and conservatives are overreacting.