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9:55p, 7/18/20
AG
It might be nice to watch some movies not written, directed and starring communists for once.

I hope they succeed.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/conservatives-movies-dan-gainor

From the article:
" It won't be easy. Sabato is starting a movie company. He'll still be ignored by most big names and have to fight with unions, wealthy blacklisters and distribution networks that are run by people who hate the right. He might have to create entirely alternate means of distribution churches and political clubs, for example."

One statement Sabato made sticks with me. It was a commitment: "No more blacklisting and no more injustice from the socialist's elites," he wrote.




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10:41p, 7/18/20
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Hollywood has lost the ability to craft stories about real life, and viewers know it. The audience has moved on to the only things movies can deliver effectively escapist stories of animation, science fiction and superheroes. In the pre-pandemic days of 2019, back when people went to movie theaters, the top 10 films were completely dominated by such fantastic fare.

The closest thing to a movie about normal people was the murder mystery "Knives Out." It was ranked 21st. Four separate superhero movies punched their way into the Top 10, including No. 1 "Avengers: Endgame."

This seems a bit over the top. Sure, these movies pull in the most money, but that's not unusual. They still make plenty of movies about normal people that do well and make huge profits. It's just tough to compete with franchises that essentially gain more followers every time a new movie comes out.
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11:04p, 7/18/20
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I totally misunderstood what communism is
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11:40p, 7/18/20
Newsflash, this is as much of a lie as "Christian rock" was back in the 80s. You're self selecting and being marketed to, not informed.
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In reply to expresswrittenconsent • 11:43p, 7/18/20
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You didn't like Stryper?
I used to run with a bunch of Calvin Klein male models 25 years ago in DFW
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In reply to expresswrittenconsent • 11:44p, 7/18/20
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I thought of this scene:

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12:21a, 7/19/20
Some of the points in the article are fair, I agree and have posted here many times that the reliance and over balance on superhero movies leaves a ton of movie goers out of luck.
But the idea that pro US movies aren't made is silly. How many WW2 movies alone have been made in the last decade? Political movies that don't paint dems in a positive light, like the Gary hart movie, And then more modern war movies American sniper, zero dark thirty, 13 hours, even Blackhawk down... Plus movies and docs like hidden figures, first man, race to the moon, plus mainstream Christian themed movies like the blind side, Unbroken etc. in fact it's hard to name an event in US history that doesn't have a movie or significant documentary made about it.

If the argument is that there is an audience For more, then fill that void, that's just good business. But you don't have to vilify Hollywood in the process, there are enough legit reasons to do that already. No need for martyrs.

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12:22a, 7/19/20
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Antonio Sabato Jr. doesn't work not because he was "blacklisted." Antonio Sabato Jr. doesn't work because he's... Antonio Sabato Jr. i.e a has-been, flash-in-the-pan soap actor. This is like Simon Rex or Eric Nies complaining that the only thing keeping their careers on ice all these years are their politics. Besides, if the whole blacklisting-of-conservatives thing were real, how is Clint Eastwood still working? I swear, the only people who give a sh*t about this nonsense are those *outside* of Hollywood. No one on the inside is keeping lists or making dumb proclamations like this.
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7:11a, 7/19/20
He is good looking


But not a very good actor.

That is the problem

He had that one major role on General Hospital and has made a bunch of one shot roles and clunkers since then
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7:17a, 7/19/20
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I watch so few movies...if I limited mine to non-commie, non-wokish, non-pandering makers and actors, I'd have nothing to watch
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8:19a, 7/19/20
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Hell we had Richard Jewel last year and I thought it was incredible not knowing the details of the guy
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In reply to 3rd and 2 • 9:31a, 7/19/20
Maroon Stormtrooper said:
It might be nice to watch some movies not written, directed and starring communists for once.

I hope they succeed.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/conservatives-movies-dan-gainor

From the article:
" It won't be easy. Sabato is starting a movie company. He'll still be ignored by most big names and have to fight with unions, wealthy blacklisters and distribution networks that are run by people who hate the right. He might have to create entirely alternate means of distribution churches and political clubs, for example."

One statement Sabato made sticks with me. It was a commitment: "No more blacklisting and no more injustice from the socialist's elites," he wrote.




What do communists have to do with this?

Hollywood has proven over and over again that money talks, not political beliefs. Also, that article leaves out a number of movies that were released in 2019 that were "realistic" and had nothing to do with superheroes and celebrates America (whatever that means) and tells stories about "real life" (again, whatever that means). Here is a non-comprehensive list:

2019
Ad Astra
Ford v Ferrari
Tell Me Who I Am
Once Upon a Time...In Hollywood
Parasite
Apollo 11
Uncut Gems
Little Women
The Irishman
Marriage Story

Now for the war movies from 2019:
Midway
Jojo Rabbit
1917

How about Pro-America/Real-life movies from 2018?
12 Strong
A Private War
They Shall Not Grow Old
First Man
A Star is Born
Greenbook
If Beale Street Could Talk
The Hate You Give
Operation Finale
Paul: Apostle of Christ
The 15:17 to Paris

So that works out to about 1 movie, per month, over the last two years of the exact type of movies you are saying don't exist. This isn't even a comprehensive list, it's just a quick search I did (and it doesn't include all of the religious and family-friendly movies from the last 2 years).

I don't think the problem is Hollywood, I think the problem is you don't want to take the time to find the movies you are looking for.


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10:05a, 7/19/20
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I enjoyed this movie, but it was not without controversy in how did not depict the planting of the flag.

As for the thought of making movies not being about escapism, science fiction or super heroes, I'd say that plenty of such movies are made. But for me, I go to the movies because I want to see something that I otherwise will not see. I mean, it's not like I'm going to walk down the hall in my house to encounter a 9-ft-tall slimy bug thing looking to rip my head off, or encounter a big purple dude with a stone-embedded glove, or run over to the Middle East to help a wise-cracking archaeologist with a fedora, leather jacket and bullwhip ... I'm must not terribly interested in real-life movies like, for instance, a movie from 1989 called Dad; I knew that eventually I would face the same thing portrayed in the movie, and I didn't want any kind of advance preview (and I will say that happened in February 2018, and it was the worst thing I've ever experienced).

I'd love to see more movies made about historical events but I don't want social commentary over those events. The recent Midway movie did fine in that regard. Greyhound did as well. Even made-up history like The Patriot - damn good movie that painted a picture of what life was like during the American Revolution, despite much of it not based on actual events.

I'm fine with Christian movies being made, and have seen a bunch of them. The movies from the church in Atlanta, like Facing the Giants, or the movie about the boy who died and was brought back to tell his parents that Heaven is real. Good movies but not what I'd want to watch all the time. Sometimes I just want to see a bunch of stuff blown up. I just don't want the political commentary in a movie where a John Rambo is mowing down a bunch of commies; but such commentary is fine if we're looking at a movie like 1981's Reds.
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10:31a, 7/19/20
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Meh. I'm far from the left and am a Christian; however, I'm always hesitant when it comes to things like this. I agree on what has been said, that Hollywood doesn't seem to stay away from making patriotic movies and such. The theme of something being in line with your beliefs doesn't make it good.

I have never, in my life, enjoyed any kind of Christian rock, despite my faith. Maybe a mainstream song here or there, but most of them are generic and bland. I'll take my secular music.

If someone wants to build a company that makes these movies and one of good quality comes around, i'll watch it. But i'm not going to watch something just because of the studio making it.
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11:07a, 7/19/20
There are some terrible movies that get praise because of the political/religious entrapments (Crash, American sniper, and The Passion come to mind) but for the most part movies that make their way into pop culture and are successful do so because they are entertaining and resonate with the audience.

You get do vanity projects but outside of "the room" I can't think of one that got any notice
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In reply to Cinco Ranch Aggie • 11:18a, 7/19/20
Funny you mention Rambo since it was a pretty scathing commentary on how we treated combat vets after Vietnam. And it remains on point with regard to the misallocation of money from mental health services to the militarization of police forces.
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12:42p, 7/19/20
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Hollywood is obviously leftist. No debate there. I'm still going to watch movies though.

Not saying it's a great movie, but for anyone who has watched the latest Rambo flick it was shockingly not PC. I suspect that is because it's Sylvester Stallone, who like Clint Eastwood, has enough cache to mostly do what they want at this point and not face the usual wrath.
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In reply to Cinco Ranch Aggie • 1:08p, 7/19/20
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I enjoyed this movie, but it was not without controversy in how did not depict the planting of the flag.
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This is the biggest pile of crap. This is a made up controversy made when almost no one had seen the film because it wasn't released. And sadly, It kept these people that only listen to dumb talking heads from seeing a pretty well made movie.

The American flag was ALL OVER this movie. I got to go to a sneak preview of the film and there were already several people (sadly in conservative circles) that were claiming that the film tried to take the American aspect out of the moon landing. It became very clear early on in the movie that these articles were doing absolutely nothing but trying to get clicks and drum up controversy where there was none.
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In reply to jock1020 • 1:31p, 7/19/20
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I never understood the supposed "controversy". I went to see the movie, and the thought literally never crossed my mind.

How pathetic do you have to be to feel that not SEEING the planting of the American Flag is somehow meant to be a criticism or a purposeful omission to not credit America for landing on the moon?

The movie takes place in Texas. The astronauts are American. NASA in an American organization.

And what's funny is that some of the people who claim to have been offended are also the kind of people who call liberals "snowflakes".

Just one example of why this whole "us vs them" mentality is so stupid to begin with.
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1:33p, 7/19/20
Keep in mind that the typical f16 poster believes in QAnon
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In reply to jock1020 • 1:39p, 7/19/20
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jock1020 said:
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
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first man
I enjoyed this movie, but it was not without controversy in how did not depict the planting of the flag.
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This is the biggest pile of crap. This is a made up controversy made when almost no one had seen the film because it wasn't released. And sadly, It kept these people that only listen to dumb talking heads from seeing a pretty well made movie.

The American flag was ALL OVER this movie. I got to go to a sneak preview of the film and there were already several people (sadly in conservative circles) that were claiming that the film tried to take the American aspect out of the moon landing. It became very clear early on in the movie that these articles were doing absolutely nothing but trying to get clicks and drum up controversy where there was none.
Yes, the flag was all over the movie. Just not in the one sequence that one might expect to see, of the US planting its flag on the surface of the moon. But I'm sure you have some reason why that didn't need to be in the movie about the first man on the moon.
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In reply to expresswrittenconsent • 1:41p, 7/19/20
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expresswrittenconsent said:
Keep in mind that the typical f16 poster believes in QAnon
We are in your head.
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In reply to Cinco Ranch Aggie • 1:47p, 7/19/20
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But I'm sure you have some reason why that didn't need to be in the movie about the first man on the moon.
Sure -- it adds absolutely nothing to the story.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 1:48p, 7/19/20
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I remember those being some of the most maddening arguments I've ever had on this board (which is saying something). And the thing was, this was all WEEKS before the movie had even come out, when no one but critics had seen it. And from those few critics, there was *one* report about the movie not actually showing the moment the flag was planted. So Fox News, F16, and the like of course took that report and ran with it. Again, without having even seen the movie for themselves. Then, when the movie finally came out for mass consumption, and it was not only patriotic, but the flag was ALL OVER it, not a single one of those F16ers admitted fault, ate crow, etc. By then, they were already spewing the next, premature, faux outrage bullsh*t they were looking to be offended by from Hollywood.
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In reply to TCTTS • 1:51p, 7/19/20
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It sort of reminds me of this new "controversy" surrounding Hamilton about not dealing with the issue of slavery, which in fact is mentioned multiple times and was never shied away from.

I guess people will always complain when something isn't included to THEIR level of satisfaction.

(And this applies to ALL people who are overly sensitive, not to one particular "side of the aisle", or whatever you want to call it.)
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Yep. Exactly.
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In reply to YouBet • 2:25p, 7/19/20
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Hollywood is obviously leftist. No debate there. I'm still going to watch movies though.

Not saying it's a great movie, but for anyone who has watched the latest Rambo flick it was shockingly not PC. I suspect that is because it's Sylvester Stallone, who like Clint Eastwood, has enough cache to mostly do what they want at this point and not face the usual wrath.


I haven't seen it, so I am curious to know what you think was not PC about it?
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In reply to YouBet • 2:45p, 7/19/20
YouBet said:
expresswrittenconsent said:
Keep in mind that the typical f16 poster believes in QAnon
We are in your head.


Does that mean Hollywood is in your head?
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Aggie4242 said:
YouBet said:
Hollywood is obviously leftist. No debate there. I'm still going to watch movies though.

Not saying it's a great movie, but for anyone who has watched the latest Rambo flick it was shockingly not PC. I suspect that is because it's Sylvester Stallone, who like Clint Eastwood, has enough cache to mostly do what they want at this point and not face the usual wrath.


I haven't seen it, so I am curious to know what you think was not PC about it?
It was pretty point blank on the cesspool and sh^tholedness of Mexico. Was just surprised to see that.
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Aggie4242 said:
YouBet said:
expresswrittenconsent said:
Keep in mind that the typical f16 poster believes in QAnon
We are in your head.


Does that mean Hollywood is in your head?
No, I believe my comments above already show that. I'm going to watch movies regardless of the politics for the most part. I'm just always amused by the shots at F16 on non-F16 boards.
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In reply to YouBet • 3:21p, 7/19/20
YouBet said:
Aggie4242 said:
YouBet said:
Hollywood is obviously leftist. No debate there. I'm still going to watch movies though.

Not saying it's a great movie, but for anyone who has watched the latest Rambo flick it was shockingly not PC. I suspect that is because it's Sylvester Stallone, who like Clint Eastwood, has enough cache to mostly do what they want at this point and not face the usual wrath.


I haven't seen it, so I am curious to know what you think was not PC about it?
It was pretty point blank on the cesspool and sh^tholedness of Mexico. Was just surprised to see that.


I think there are a lot of movies that cover how bad Mexico can be, and they aren't considered PC.

Man on Fire
Sicario (all of them)
Miss Bala
The Mule
Traffic
No Country For Old Men

I guess I don't understand what was different between Rambo and those movies?


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Aggie4242 said:
YouBet said:
Aggie4242 said:
YouBet said:
Hollywood is obviously leftist. No debate there. I'm still going to watch movies though.

Not saying it's a great movie, but for anyone who has watched the latest Rambo flick it was shockingly not PC. I suspect that is because it's Sylvester Stallone, who like Clint Eastwood, has enough cache to mostly do what they want at this point and not face the usual wrath.


I haven't seen it, so I am curious to know what you think was not PC about it?
It was pretty point blank on the cesspool and sh^tholedness of Mexico. Was just surprised to see that.


I think there are a lot of movies that cover how bad Mexico can be, and they aren't considered PC.

Man on Fire
Sicario (all of them)
Miss Bala
The Mule
Traffic
No Country For Old Men

I guess I don't understand what was different between Rambo and those movies?




Point.

I think it's the immediate current era of hypersensitivity to other cultures that I'm surprised about though. I will say The Mule is Eastwood. As previously stated, he pretty much gets to do what he wants because of who he is. He is grandfathered if you will. Some of those others came out long before current environment. Haven't seen Miss Bala so not sure what that is.
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In reply to Aggie4242 • 5:45p, 7/19/20
Aggie4242 said:
YouBet said:
Aggie4242 said:
YouBet said:
Hollywood is obviously leftist. No debate there. I'm still going to watch movies though.

Not saying it's a great movie, but for anyone who has watched the latest Rambo flick it was shockingly not PC. I suspect that is because it's Sylvester Stallone, who like Clint Eastwood, has enough cache to mostly do what they want at this point and not face the usual wrath.


I haven't seen it, so I am curious to know what you think was not PC about it?
It was pretty point blank on the cesspool and sh^tholedness of Mexico. Was just surprised to see that.


I think there are a lot of movies that cover how bad Mexico can be, and they aren't considered PC.

Man on Fire
Sicario (all of them)
Miss Bala
The Mule
Traffic
No Country For Old Men

I guess I don't understand what was different between Rambo and those movies?

Rambo came out in 2019, when the world saw everything through the lens of the Mexican border control debate. 12 months ago*, acknowledging crime in Mexico or by immigrants from Mexico was grounds for cancel culture outrage and definitely Not Approved by the NY-LA media bubble.

Rambo proceeded to have the main plot line be Mexicans kidnapping, drugging, raping, and killing women and overtly nodded to ill effects of loose border control. It didn't turn out to be a CEO or a CIA boss behind the whole thing and Rambo never acknowledged any guilt related to being a participant in American culture.

It portrayed cartel sex slavery that actually happens (every Rambo movie tries to call attention to a real problem) and Stallone went out of his way to show that Rambo sees the Hispanic people he lives with as family and wholly good people. That said, i was still shocked walking out of the theater that it got made and widely distributed. And not just because it was a bad movie and a gore-fest.



*2020 feels like it has been dragging on for years
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