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And we've already mentioned Adam Sandler...any argument that Hollywood is blacklisting conservatives goes out the window with Adam Sandler. He hasn't made a genuinely good movie in a decade and Netflix won't stop throwing money at him.

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Too be fair, I've heard Uncut Gems from last year was very good (still need to watch it myself).

But otherwise, stellar post

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You are talking about guys who established themselves and gained a following prior to this cancel movement. Many of them produce their own stuff and call their own shots. Of course they aren't going cancel themselves. And I never said 100% of Hollywood is anti-conservative. In fact I have stated otherwise many times. So yes.. the few non-political shot callers left will still hire these guys. But that still does not change the fact that a large portion of Hollywood will never hire them again. Can you name me a single young up and comer who is a loud and proud conservative that is making it big in mainstream (non religious) movies?

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If your "civility in the eye of the beholder" is using calling others "intellectual lightweights" and the like then I'm glad you're not much of a regular here.

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Either way this is exhausting so I'll leave you to your opinions. You actually have one or two somewhat valid points but it's not worth the effort to attempt to continue.

The bottom line is if you're talented enough you'll be working, it's that simple. We could even pretend that Tim Allen's show only got canceled because he was conservative and some exec didn't like that, but because it was good someone else picked it up.

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And for the record, Vince Vaughn has 3 films in production as a producer, 2 in preproduction and 2 in postproduction as an actor, and was in 4 eps this seasons of a very conservative show called Curb Your Enthusiasm. Cancel culture indeed.

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Could you answer this one question: Do you know of any young up-and comers who have been openly conservative that are now hitting it big (in mainstream movies)?

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I think that's a much more fair way to frame the discussion.

Another spin on this is that if if you have political views that are conservative and aren't an awful person about it, i.e. Pratt (who's an outspoken Christian, likes guns, and is married to Arnold's daughter), no one's really bothered by it.

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You are talking about guys who established themselves and gained a following prior to this cancel movement. Many of them produce their own stuff and call their own shots. Of course they aren't going cancel themselves. And I never said 100% of Hollywood is anti-conservative. In fact I have stated otherwise many times. So yes.. the few non-political shot callers left will still hire these guys. But that still does not change the fact that a large portion of Hollywood will never hire them again. Can you name me a single young up and comer who is a loud and proud conservative that is making it big in mainstream (non religious) movies?

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So now the argument isn't "conservatives are blacklisted by Hollywood"...now it is, "show me a conservative that has made it big in hollywood in the last 24 months who is outspoken about supporting trump who isn't making religious movies!"

Why all the qualifications?

As to your claim that nobody will hire these actors again...

Vince Vaugh: Already covered
Joe Pesci: Has done 3 movies since 2011, with the Irishman coming out last year
Kurt Russell: Was in "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" lat year was also in a small indy project called Guardians of the Galaxy Vol II
Sly: Was in 3 movies in 2018, 2 movies in 2019, is currently filming a movie,has a movie in Pre-production, and has been announced to be in a 3rd movie with no date attached
Tom Selleck: Is starring on a network drama
Jon Voight: Stars on a Cable Drama, has a movie coming out this year, is starring in a movie about Roe v Wade and Reagan
James Caan: Currently has 4 movies announced, including one coming out this year and had 2 in 2018
Laura Prepon: Was in 12 episodes of OINTB in 2019

I didn't realize all of these folks were able to produce so many movies on their own and that only non-political shot-callers were producing these movies.

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Have you ever considered that fewer cons go into Hollywood as opposed to Hollywood blacklisting them?

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expresswrittenconsent said:

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Have you ever considered that fewer cons go into Hollywood as opposed to Hollywood blacklisting them?

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He also hasn't considered that being for equality isn't really a political belief or statement for most people. It used to be called the "golden rule" and taught to every kindergarten student.

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Aggie4242 said:

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You are talking about guys who established themselves and gained a following prior to this cancel movement. Many of them produce their own stuff and call their own shots. Of course they aren't going cancel themselves. And I never said 100% of Hollywood is anti-conservative. In fact I have stated otherwise many times. So yes.. the few non-political shot callers left will still hire these guys. But that still does not change the fact that a large portion of Hollywood will never hire them again. Can you name me a single young up and comer who is a loud and proud conservative that is making it big in mainstream (non religious) movies?

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So now the argument isn't "conservatives are blacklisted by Hollywood"...now it is, "show me a conservative that has made it big in hollywood in the last 24 months who is outspoken about supporting trump who isn't making religious movies!"

Why all the qualifications?

As to your claim that nobody will hire these actors again...

Vince Vaugh: Already covered
Joe Pesci: Has done 3 movies since 2011, with the Irishman coming out last year
Kurt Russell: Was in "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" lat year was also in a small indy project called Guardians of the Galaxy Vol II
Sly: Was in 3 movies in 2018, 2 movies in 2019, is currently filming a movie,has a movie in Pre-production, and has been announced to be in a 3rd movie with no date attached
Tom Selleck: Is starring on a network drama
Jon Voight: Stars on a Cable Drama, has a movie coming out this year, is starring in a movie about Roe v Wade and Reagan
James Caan: Currently has 4 movies announced, including one coming out this year and had 2 in 2018
Laura Prepon: Was in 12 episodes of OINTB in 2019

I didn't realize all of these folks were able to produce so many movies on their own and that only non-political shot-callers were producing these movies.

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You guys keep bringing this up as a gotcha point. These guys are already established. The few non-libs in Hollywood will still hire them. That's not the point.

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But that still does not change the fact that a large portion of Hollywood will never hire them again

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If your "civility in the eye of the beholder" is using calling others "intellectual lightweights" and the like then I'm glad you're not much of a regular here.

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Oh, I've been called worse on this thread and way worse on this board.

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I'd challenge you to point out where, particularly on this thread. You got called a Karen and that's it.

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Either way this is exhausting so I'll leave you to your opinions. You actually have one or two somewhat valid points but it's not worth the effort to attempt to continue.

The bottom line is if you're talented enough you'll be working, it's that simple. We could even pretend that Tim Allen's show only got canceled because he was conservative and some exec didn't like that, but because it was good someone else picked it up.

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Could you answer this one question: Do you know of any young up-and comers who have been openly conservative that are now hitting it big (in mainstream movies)?

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I don't watch much tv with those types of actors so I honestly couldn't tell you about any up and comers of any political persuasion. Off the top of my head KJ Apa is the lead in Riverdale and starred in I Still Believe (Jeremy Camp's story) a few months ago.

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And for the record, Vince Vaughn has 3 films in production as a producer, 2 in preproduction and 2 in postproduction as an actor, and was in 4 eps this seasons of a very conservative show called Curb Your Enthusiasm. Cancel culture indeed.

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A producer does the hiring. Of course he is not going to fire himself. And he is another one that was already established and a proven money maker prior to the cancel culture. Back then he was comedy royalty and all over the place. Now he's not.

As I've said already, there are people who don't care about politics who will hire them, but it won't be as many. One can demand a much higher wage if they are in demand from 10 different projects vs only 2. Kirk Cameron is still getting work too, but nobody would pretend that he's as successful as Leonardo Decaprio. Yet, back when they were both on Growing Pains, Cameron was the bigger name.

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Cameron was the bigger name when Growing Pains was on, because Leo was like 16.

After Growing Pains Cameron did a handful of movies then a few tv movies because he was a decent sitcom actor and that's about it. Leo's next role was What's Eating Gilbert Grape? where he was nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Oscar.

If your argument hinges on the idea Kirk Cameron should be making the same kinds of movies that Leo is, I'd abandon ship.

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Have you ever considered that fewer cons go into Hollywood as opposed to Hollywood blacklisting them?

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He also hasn't considered that being for equality isn't really a political belief or statement for most people. It used to be called the "golden rule" and taught to every kindergarten student.

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Where have I been against equality?

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You've repeatedly argued that companies pulling out of states with discriminatory laws against LGBTQ is an act of liberals against conservatives. Ergo, youre making the claim (whether you realize it or not, Karen) that only libs support equality, and that conservatives support discrimination against LGBTQ.

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The thing is, you don't realize you aren't a conservative, you're an extremist (actually, its far more likely you're just a troll who likes to argue but doesn't believe in anything). The overwhelming majority of Americans support equality for LGBTQ and BIPOC, that isnt a divider among conservatives and liberals, just a divider amongst hateful extremists.

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Have you ever considered that fewer cons go into Hollywood as opposed to Hollywood blacklisting them?

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Why would that be, other than them being afraid that they'd have a hard time making a living in hollywood due to their politics? There used to be plenty of conservatives in Hollywood, just like there used to be plenty in academia. But they have been pushed out over time.

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Maybe because conservatives rail against things like "Drama class" in high school and think liberal arts colleges are a waste of time? They also want to cut funding for the arts across the board.

https://www.heritage.org/report/ten-good-reasons-eliminate-funding-the-national-endowment-orthe-arts

https://www.statesman.com/NEWS/20170612/Legislature-cuts-Texas-arts-funding-28-percent

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/is-the-neh-worth-keeping

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and it has been heavily implied that I'm a bigot who is A-okay with discrimination against LBGTXYZ.

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Mocking the acronym will definitely help your case.

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Jesus christ, could you be any more obtuse if you tried?

It isn't about the government funding the arts, or the fact that folks go to liberal arts colleges. It's about the fact that conservatives (as you just proved) constantly mock the people that choose to go that route in life.

So when you ask why there aren't more conservatives in Hollywood, the answer just might have something to do with how they were raised and what their priorities are.

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Have you ever considered that fewer cons go into Hollywood as opposed to Hollywood blacklisting them?

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Why would that be, other than them being afraid that they'd have a hard time making a living in hollywood due to their politics? There used to be plenty of conservatives in Hollywood, just like there used to be plenty in academia. But they have been pushed out over time.

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Maybe because conservatives rail against things like "Drama class" in high school and think liberal arts colleges are a waste of time? They also want to cut funding for the arts across the board.

https://www.heritage.org/report/ten-good-reasons-eliminate-funding-the-national-endowment-orthe-arts

https://www.statesman.com/NEWS/20170612/Legislature-cuts-Texas-arts-funding-28-percent

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/is-the-neh-worth-keeping

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Liberal arts college are a waste of time. You shouldn't need to spend $100K at college for acting. Most don't make money doing that and they still have to pay a crap load of debt. Lot of the best actors never went to college at all. And just because I don't think government should pay taxpayer money on the arts does not mean I oppose people pursing that stuff on their own. I'm also against government funding NFL stadiums, but that doesn't mean I hate football.

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Have you ever considered that fewer cons go into Hollywood as opposed to Hollywood blacklisting them?

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Why would that be, other than them being afraid that they'd have a hard time making a living in hollywood due to their politics? There used to be plenty of conservatives in Hollywood, just like there used to be plenty in academia. But they have been pushed out over time.

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Maybe because conservatives rail against things like "Drama class" in high school and think liberal arts colleges are a waste of time? They also want to cut funding for the arts across the board.

https://www.heritage.org/report/ten-good-reasons-eliminate-funding-the-national-endowment-orthe-arts

https://www.statesman.com/NEWS/20170612/Legislature-cuts-Texas-arts-funding-28-percent

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/is-the-neh-worth-keeping

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Liberal arts college are a waste of time. You shouldn't need to spend $100K at college for acting. Most don't make money doing that and they still have to pay a crap load of debt. Lot of the best actors never went to college at all. And just because I don't think government should pay taxpayer money on the arts does not mean I oppose people pursing that stuff on their own. I'm also against government funding NFL stadiums, but that doesn't mean I hate football.

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I think you're confusing liberal arts colleges with fine arts or mere art colleges. These schools offer actual degrees in social sciences. Arguably the people who go there are more pretentious than fine arts people.

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I'm sure you can find some a-holes on F16, but you can also find plenty over here. But this is not talking about a-holes getting their just treatment. We are talking about non-a-holes losing jobs merely because they are conservative.

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Such as? Everyone on here has been incredibly civil despite your ******* comments, while I could find you people telling folks who are liberal or Democrats that they're vile, the scum of the earth, hate America, etc., on that other board in about two minutes if you'd like. We do have disagreements on here, but in general folks stay pretty civil and get along. I'd happily see a movie and grab a beer with any of the regulars on this board, even the ones with terrible taste in Star Wars films (you know who you are).

And we haven't yet found an example of a non a-hole losing a job because they're conservative. James Woods, I hate to to break it to you, is an a-hole. Antonio Sabato Jr is just not that talented.

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No. It's not. People don't get to make up who has the burden of proof out of the blue.

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You are correct, the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. If you claim conservatives are being blacklisted then you need to show evidence to that fact that's more convincing than "these guys who aren't getting work claim there's thousands more of them". Even us intellectual lightweights know that.

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...and liberal causes. Just watch ANY awards show for confirmation.

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Haven't seen anyone claim that Hollywood doesn't lean liberal.

Are there some people who won't want to work with people who have beliefs that diverge greatly from their own, or folks that support something they find awful? Sure, and the same goes for both sides of the political aisle in just about any field. That's not blacklisting.

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They seem to not care about discrimination against conservatives. They just cloak it in "doing the right thing". And saying that a pastor should be forced to perform a marriage on somebody is slavery. I guess that's the sort of thing democrats are known for, however.

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See, here's where you go off the rails and lose any semblance of a rational argument. Nothing about the anti-LGBT legislation in Georgia has anything to do with pastors being forced to marry anyone, which I'd imagine most people would say was dumb. And now you're ranting about Democrats. This is the Entertainment board, stick to the plot man.

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So explain why you think Tim Allen's show was cancelled from ABC?

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Per a quick search, ABC would've had to pick up the costs of producing the new season (it had been paid by the production company for the first several seasons) and was moving away from sitcoms in the slot where his show fit. Their president said it was a hard decision. But I don't know the details, and shows get cancelled for all kinds of reasons like the more liberal shows I mentioned. A show getting cancelled is a horribly flimsy piece of evidence.

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Well gee I guess that since Jackie Robinson was in MLB in 1947, then there must have been no racism in baseball anymore, right?

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You're really terrible at the arguments.

Were there one lone conservative who was ridiculed but kept making movies anyway and was eventually an inspiration for the country then this might hold up in some weird way. Not to mention that racism is a far more complex issue. But I'll admit that only listing a few could be outliers so let's add to the list.

Outside the already mentioned really prominent conservatives that are incredibly successful in Hollywood, a quick search adds more to the list: Vince Vaughn, Joe Pesci, Kurt Russell, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Jon Voight, James Caan, and Laura Prepon. Those folks aren't having a hard time finding work.

And we've already mentioned Adam Sandler...any argument that Hollywood is blacklisting conservatives goes out the window with Adam Sandler. He hasn't made a genuinely good movie in a decade and Netflix won't stop throwing money at him.

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It's not just those few people I'm talking about. Those are just the people who were big enough to come out and proud about it. According to them, there are thousands of lower level people who choose to remain anonymous out of fear of losing their jobs.

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Here's the thing: that's not proof. That's hearsay at best.

You want to prove that there's discrimination? Find a liberal, attractive late-40s actor who's not very talented that's super successful in Hollywood. Or a decent talented older liberal actor who says horrible hateful things on Twitter but is still busy making movies.

Spoiler: there's few or none, because if you're not talented or an awful person most folks don't want to hire you. If you're talented enough at anything (see: the NFL, Hollywood, etc.) then people will forgive all kinds of behavior. But if the headache of working with your eclipses how good you are people will just move on.

Are there some people who are refusing to hire people because of their political views? Probably, there's awful people everywhere. But the fact that none of these articles are featuring folks who were at one time really successful (except for Woods...again, *******) and now can't get projects is kind of telling.

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