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So I gotta start with this...

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I'm sure you can find some a-holes on F16, but you can also find plenty over here. But this is not talking about a-holes getting their just treatment. We are talking about non-a-holes losing jobs merely because they are conservative.

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Such as? Everyone on here has been incredibly civil despite your ******* comments, while I could find you people telling folks who are liberal or Democrats that they're vile, the scum of the earth, hate America, etc., on that other board in about two minutes if you'd like. We do have disagreements on here, but in general folks stay pretty civil and get along. I'd happily see a movie and grab a beer with any of the regulars on this board, even the ones with terrible taste in Star Wars films (you know who you are).

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Civility is in the eye of the beholder. I've not treated anybody differently on here than I am treated. And BTW, the people F16 is calling vile, scum of the earth, etc. are those Antifa/BLM types who riot and beat up unsuspecting innocent people who are minding their own business. Calling posters vile would get one banned within a few minutes.

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And we haven't yet found an example of a non a-hole losing a job because they're conservative. James Woods, I hate to to break it to you, is an a-hole. Antonio Sabato Jr is just not that talented.

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I suspect Woods is considered an "a-hole" because he is conservative. I don't remember him being called an a-hole prior to that. And there are plenty of famous a-holes in Hollywood who still get plenty of work.

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No. It's not. People don't get to make up who has the burden of proof out of the blue.

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You are correct, the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. If you claim conservatives are being blacklisted then you need to show evidence to that fact that's more convincing than "these guys who aren't getting work claim there's thousands more of them". Even us intellectual lightweights know that.

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You guys are making the claim that Hollywood has magically exempted itself from the same behavior shown by liberals in every other industry. So why isn't the burden of proof on you? Why isn't your "claim" a "claim"?

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...and liberal causes. Just watch ANY awards show for confirmation.

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Haven't seen anyone claim that Hollywood doesn't lean liberal.

Are there some people who won't want to work with people who have beliefs that diverge greatly from their own, or folks that support something they find awful? Sure, and the same goes for both sides of the political aisle in just about any field. That's not blacklisting.

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What is your definition of "blacklisting"? If you are talking about some sort of actual written list, then I agree that doesn't exist. If you are talking about a concerted effort by many in Hollywood to deny conservatives opportunities then that does exist. And Hollywood doesn't just lean liberal, it's off the charts liberal. Just look at the voting patterns in the area. It's overwhelming. So even if half opt to discriminate against conservatives, that's still a huge effect. Yeah, conservatives can still get work from the other half, but their salaries will not be as high, nor the opportunities as numerous.

Furthermore, I can't think of a mainstream conservative director who refuses to hire liberals. Clint Eastwood hires libs as does Mel Gibson. Maybe it can be said that whoever directs those religious movies tend to hire conservatives, but I'd argue that is more about hiring religious people, not conservatives. They wouldn't hire an avowed conservative atheist for those jobs.

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They seem to not care about discrimination against conservatives. They just cloak it in "doing the right thing". And saying that a pastor should be forced to perform a marriage on somebody is slavery. I guess that's the sort of thing democrats are known for, however.

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See, here's where you go off the rails and lose any semblance of a rational argument. Nothing about the anti-LGBT legislation in Georgia has anything to do with pastors being forced to marry anyone, which I'd imagine most people would say was dumb. And now you're ranting about Democrats. This is the Entertainment board, stick to the plot man.

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Sorry, you are simply wrong. They threatened to pull out for an anti-abortion bill too. Yet, there is NO WAY these same people would consider politics when hiring, right?

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So explain why you think Tim Allen's show was cancelled from ABC?

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Per a quick search, ABC would've had to pick up the costs of producing the new season (it had been paid by the production company for the first several seasons) and was moving away from sitcoms in the slot where his show fit. Their president said it was a hard decision. But I don't know the details, and shows get cancelled for all kinds of reasons like the more liberal shows I mentioned. A show getting cancelled is a horribly flimsy piece of evidence.

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If you believe that, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. Sitcoms are cheap. And his show was the #2 rated sitcom that year. Yet ABC couldn't afford to the costs for that? That explanation is what is flimsy if anything.

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Well gee I guess that since Jackie Robinson was in MLB in 1947, then there must have been no racism in baseball anymore, right?

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You're really terrible at the arguments.

Were there one lone conservative who was ridiculed but kept making movies anyway and was eventually an inspiration for the country then this might hold up in some weird way. Not to mention that racism is a far more complex issue. But I'll admit that only listing a few could be outliers so let's add to the list.

Outside the already mentioned really prominent conservatives that are incredibly successful in Hollywood, a quick search adds more to the list: Vince Vaughn, Joe Pesci, Kurt Russell, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Jon Voight, James Caan, and Laura Prepon. Those folks aren't having a hard time finding work.

And we've already mentioned Adam Sandler...any argument that Hollywood is blacklisting conservatives goes out the window with Adam Sandler. He hasn't made a genuinely good movie in a decade and Netflix won't stop throwing money at him.

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You are talking about guys who established themselves and gained a following prior to this cancel movement. Many of them produce their own stuff and call their own shots. Of course they aren't going cancel themselves. And I never said 100% of Hollywood is anti-conservative. In fact I have stated otherwise many times. So yes.. the few non-political shot callers left will still hire these guys. But that still does not change the fact that a large portion of Hollywood will never hire them again. Can you name me a single young up and comer who is a loud and proud conservative that is making it big in mainstream (non religious) movies?

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It's not just those few people I'm talking about. Those are just the people who were big enough to come out and proud about it. According to them, there are thousands of lower level people who choose to remain anonymous out of fear of losing their jobs.

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Here's the thing: that's not proof. That's hearsay at best.

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And you have no proof otherwise. All we have is evidence and there is plenty of evidence on my side. What about Eric McCormack tweeting "kindly report on everyone attending this [Trump fundraiser in Beverly Hills] event, so the rest of us can be clear about who we don't wanna work with. Thx." And Debra Messing following up with "Please print a list of all attendees please. The public has a right to know."

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You want to prove that there's discrimination? Find a liberal, attractive late-40s actor who's not very talented that's super successful in Hollywood. Or a decent talented older liberal actor who says horrible hateful things on Twitter but is still busy making movies.

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Robert Di Nero saying that Trump doesn't care how many die of covid and that he wants to punch him in the face? He's got plenty of work still.

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Spoiler: there's few or none, because if you're not talented or an awful person most folks don't want to hire you. If you're talented enough at anything (see: the NFL, Hollywood, etc.) then people will forgive all kinds of behavior. But if the headache of working with your eclipses how good you are people will just move on.

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Wrong. There are plenty. I just know you will say they are "not talented" so I picked Di Nero.

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Are there some people who are refusing to hire people because of their political views? Probably, there's awful people everywhere. But the fact that none of these articles are featuring folks who were at one time really successful (except for Woods...again, *******) and now can't get projects is kind of telling.

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Tim Allen was pretty damn successful. So was Vince Vaughn (RIP for being friendly with Trump). Adam Carolla, etc. There are plenty. Tim Allen said Hollywood is like 1930s Germany for conservatives. I guess he's lying too? Or are you now going to call him an a-hole now?

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i have never seen any of his shows. i was forced to sit in front of 5 minutes of his show the other day in a hospital.

it was 100% TOTAL FULL TILT COMMUNIST PC LEFTIST ANTI AMERICAN PROPAGANDA FOR EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF THE SHOW. And this was probably from years ago.

some idiots mom gave a speech. she worked for an oil company. the whole show was anti fracking, anti oil, pro global warming, pro liberal BS, banning fracking, banning oil production... the whole thing.

a ****ING SITCOM.

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i have never seen any of his shows. i was forced to sit in front of 5 minutes of his show the other day in a hospital.

it was 100% TOTAL FULL TILT COMMUNIST PC LEFTIST ANTI AMERICAN PROPAGANDA FOR EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF THE SHOW. And this was probably from years ago.

some idiots mom gave a speech. she worked for an oil company. the whole show was anti fracking, anti oil, pro global warming, pro liberal BS, banning fracking, banning oil production... the whole thing.

a ****ING SITCOM.

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Who are you talking about? That post was a mile long.