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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

jock1020 said:

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first man
I enjoyed this movie, but it was not without controversy in how did not depict the planting of the flag.
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This is the biggest pile of crap. This is a made up controversy made when almost no one had seen the film because it wasn't released. And sadly, It kept these people that only listen to dumb talking heads from seeing a pretty well made movie.

The American flag was ALL OVER this movie. I got to go to a sneak preview of the film and there were already several people (sadly in conservative circles) that were claiming that the film tried to take the American aspect out of the moon landing. It became very clear early on in the movie that these articles were doing absolutely nothing but trying to get clicks and drum up controversy where there was none.
Yes, the flag was all over the movie. Just not in the one sequence that one might expect to see, of the US planting its flag on the surface of the moon. But I'm sure you have some reason why that didn't need to be in the movie about the first man on the moon.
It's not that I had "some reason why that didn't need to be in the movie about the first man on the moon. "

It's that it did not take away from my enjoyment of a movie about Neal Armstrong. Because that is what the movie was about. So the moment of him on the moon memorializing his dead child was much more personal than planting a flag. I'm as patriotic as anyone else, but this is a non issue that some critic put out there before anyone else saw the movie. Then all these people jumped on a bandwagon claiming the movie omitted the American aspect of the moon landing. It's just laughable and it is a detail most people wouldn't even noticed had some partisan hack at Breitbart not tried to make a thing out of it. Sadly many people bought it hook line and sinker before even seeing the movie
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Here, people can just watching this immediately following the movie and get themselves really jazzed up:

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Sicario 2 was in 2018... The last rambo was 2019... Are you talking about movies released in the last 6 months?
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TMoney2007 said:

Sicario 2 was in 2018... The last rambo was 2019... Are you talking about movies released in the last 6 months?


Miss Bala was released in 2019. Here is the plot:

" DescriptionYoung Gloria seeks help from the police when cartel hit men kidnap her friend from a nightclub in Mexico. She soon finds herself in big trouble when a corrupt cop hands her over to the same goons who shot up the place. Their gang leader, Lino, decides to use Gloria for his dirty work to avoid detection from the Drug Enforcement Administration. Determined to get away, Gloria must now play a dangerous game to outwit not only the cartel, but the DEA agents who suspect her of complicity."

I guess the point I was trying to make is that, yes, a some folks felt that Rambo: Last Blood was inappropriate in how it depicted some Mexicans. However, I think that is more due to how it told its story, not because telling stories about the cartels and the crime in Mexico is forbidden.
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Thanks for the reply.

Looking through the rottentomatoes front page fo reviews, only 2 mentioned racism directly. Most of the reviews talked about how bad the plot/story was.

As I mentioned previously, Miss Bala came out in 2019 and directly dealt with crime in Mexico. Also, "I Am No Longer Here" came out in 2019 and it dealt with violence in Mexico as well.

I guess the question should be, did Rambo have racial undertones, or is this just folks being hyper sensitive to race? Why did those other two movies not get called racist and Rambo did?

For what it's worth, It seems like the original writer of Rambo: First Blood felt the final movie wasn't done correctly and said he agreed with the reviews (he didn't mention racism specifically).

https://people.com/movies/rambo-creator-slams-sylvester-stallone-movie-last-blood/

So is this an example of PCism run amok, or are the complaints about the movies handling of race fair?
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I haven't seen the other two you mentioned, so I can't compare and contrast. All I can say is that I was surprised that Hollywood turned out a movie like Last Blood without more built-in apologies/excuses. I don't think Last Blood did anything wrong from a racial standpoint even if the movie as a whole wasn't very good.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

jock1020 said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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first man
I enjoyed this movie, but it was not without controversy in how did not depict the planting of the flag.
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This is the biggest pile of crap. This is a made up controversy made when almost no one had seen the film because it wasn't released. And sadly, It kept these people that only listen to dumb talking heads from seeing a pretty well made movie.

The American flag was ALL OVER this movie. I got to go to a sneak preview of the film and there were already several people (sadly in conservative circles) that were claiming that the film tried to take the American aspect out of the moon landing. It became very clear early on in the movie that these articles were doing absolutely nothing but trying to get clicks and drum up controversy where there was none.
Yes, the flag was all over the movie. Just not in the one sequence that one might expect to see, of the US planting its flag on the surface of the moon. But I'm sure you have some reason why that didn't need to be in the movie about the first man on the moon.
We've seen that scene over and over. It's not a movie about the moon landing itself. If you actually watched the movie, you would realize there is nothing to complain about.

A movie is either well written and well made, or it isnt. I truly don't understand how you allow your political beliefs to impact your ability to enjoy fiction.
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A movie is either well written and well made, or it isnt. I truly don't understand how you allow your political beliefs to impact your ability to enjoy fiction.
So now the movie is fiction?

The movie was about Armstrong's life. I get the focus of the movie being his life, and the death of his daughter and how that impacted him. How hard is it to show a quick shot of him with the flag as he then walks away from the lander to find the crater to drop his daughter's bracelet into?

First Man was a good movie, but that omission still bugs me.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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A movie is either well written and well made, or it isnt. I truly don't understand how you allow your political beliefs to impact your ability to enjoy fiction.
So now the movie is fiction?

The movie was about Armstrong's life. I get the focus of the movie being his life, and the death of his daughter and how that impacted him. How hard is it to show a quick shot of him with the flag as he then walks away from the lander to find the crater to drop his daughter's bracelet into?

First Man was a good movie, but that omission still bugs me.
you thought it was a documentary?
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expresswrittenconsent said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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A movie is either well written and well made, or it isnt. I truly don't understand how you allow your political beliefs to impact your ability to enjoy fiction.
So now the movie is fiction?

The movie was about Armstrong's life. I get the focus of the movie being his life, and the death of his daughter and how that impacted him. How hard is it to show a quick shot of him with the flag as he then walks away from the lander to find the crater to drop his daughter's bracelet into?

First Man was a good movie, but that omission still bugs me.
you thought it was a documentary?
WTF?

Where did I say that. The poster used the word fiction while discussing a movie about a real event and real people, but that describes many movies. Midway was about a real event with real people as well, but it's not a documentary of that battle just as the movie First Man is not a documentary about the first manned mission to the moon.
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I'm honestly surprised there are still responses coming in for a thread kicked off by quoting a Fox News op-ed anchored by the trials and tribulations of...

*checks notes*

...Antonio Sabato Jr.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

expresswrittenconsent said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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A movie is either well written and well made, or it isnt. I truly don't understand how you allow your political beliefs to impact your ability to enjoy fiction.
So now the movie is fiction?

The movie was about Armstrong's life. I get the focus of the movie being his life, and the death of his daughter and how that impacted him. How hard is it to show a quick shot of him with the flag as he then walks away from the lander to find the crater to drop his daughter's bracelet into?

First Man was a good movie, but that omission still bugs me.
you thought it was a documentary?
WTF?

Where did I say that. The poster used the word fiction while discussing a movie about a real event and real people, but that describes many movies. Midway was about a real event with real people as well, but it's not a documentary of that battle just as the movie First Man is not a documentary about the first manned mission to the moon.
Do you know what historical fiction is? Do you think he did and said every single thing in that movie? The movie is about the First Man, not planting a flag on a moon. It's about Armstrong, and what happened in his life leading up to it. I would have been totally fine if they had decided to include it in the film, but it would have also felt a little cheesy to me.
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I always felt Armstrong was a total hippie and you could tell he didn't love America because he didn't say "USA! USA!" during his "giant leap for mankind" moment.
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Ulrich said:

Aggie4242 said:

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Hollywood is obviously leftist. No debate there. I'm still going to watch movies though.

Not saying it's a great movie, but for anyone who has watched the latest Rambo flick it was shockingly not PC. I suspect that is because it's Sylvester Stallone, who like Clint Eastwood, has enough cache to mostly do what they want at this point and not face the usual wrath.


I haven't seen it, so I am curious to know what you think was not PC about it?
It was pretty point blank on the cesspool and sh^tholedness of Mexico. Was just surprised to see that.


I think there are a lot of movies that cover how bad Mexico can be, and they aren't considered PC.

Man on Fire
Sicario (all of them)
Miss Bala
The Mule
Traffic
No Country For Old Men

I guess I don't understand what was different between Rambo and those movies?

Rambo came out in 2019, when the world saw everything through the lens of the Mexican border control debate. 12 months ago*, acknowledging crime in Mexico or by immigrants from Mexico was grounds for cancel culture outrage and definitely Not Approved by the NY-LA media bubble.

Rambo proceeded to have the main plot line be Mexicans kidnapping, drugging, raping, and killing women and overtly nodded to ill effects of loose border control. It didn't turn out to be a CEO or a CIA boss behind the whole thing and Rambo never acknowledged any guilt related to being a participant in American culture.

It portrayed cartel sex slavery that actually happens (every Rambo movie tries to call attention to a real problem) and Stallone went out of his way to show that Rambo sees the Hispanic people he lives with as family and wholly good people. That said, i was still shocked walking out of the theater that it got made and widely distributed. And not just because it was a bad movie and a gore-fest.



*2020 feels like it has been dragging on for years
Who has been canceled over putting out a movie about crime in Mexico? The border debate and cartel violence have been nothing new, and there are dozens of movies and shows that display it. Besides what's listed above:

Narcos
Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul
The Bridge
Machete
Savages
Bad Boys for Life
Ozark

None of these shy away from the terrible things that the cartels do or how terrible they make things for the Mexican people and those on the border. No one has gotten canceled over any of them. There's not some media conspiracy dedicated to making Mexico look like some kind of crimeless paradise, it's shown in plenty of places.
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Yeah I don't get this argument.

I cant think of any movie (even pro-drug movies) where the cartels arent cast (rightfully so) as monsters.
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Maroon Stormtrooper said:

It might be nice to watch some movies not written, directed and starring communists for once.

I hope they succeed.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/conservatives-movies-dan-gainor

From the article:
" It won't be easy. Sabato is starting a movie company. He'll still be ignored by most big names and have to fight with unions, wealthy blacklisters and distribution networks that are run by people who hate the right. He might have to create entirely alternate means of distribution churches and political clubs, for example."

One statement Sabato made sticks with me. It was a commitment: "No more blacklisting and no more injustice from the socialist's elites," he wrote.

We have gone back and watched for the first time the old 1990s Stargate TV shows. We just somehow missed them as SciFi fans.
They are about teamwork, friendship, doing the right thing and learning about other worlds without all of the crap they throw in there for today's shows. Quite refreshing.

And not that I am a prude it is more about things being overdone to where you start asking why is that happening, does this make any sense, what does this scene add to the already non-story or why have I already seen this story retold 5 times?
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PatAg said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

jock1020 said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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first man
I enjoyed this movie, but it was not without controversy in how did not depict the planting of the flag.
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This is the biggest pile of crap. This is a made up controversy made when almost no one had seen the film because it wasn't released. And sadly, It kept these people that only listen to dumb talking heads from seeing a pretty well made movie.

The American flag was ALL OVER this movie. I got to go to a sneak preview of the film and there were already several people (sadly in conservative circles) that were claiming that the film tried to take the American aspect out of the moon landing. It became very clear early on in the movie that these articles were doing absolutely nothing but trying to get clicks and drum up controversy where there was none.
Yes, the flag was all over the movie. Just not in the one sequence that one might expect to see, of the US planting its flag on the surface of the moon. But I'm sure you have some reason why that didn't need to be in the movie about the first man on the moon.
We've seen that scene over and over. It's not a movie about the moon landing itself. If you actually watched the movie, you would realize there is nothing to complain about.

A movie is either well written and well made, or it isnt. I truly don't understand how you allow your political beliefs to impact your ability to enjoy fiction.
There is plenty to complain about. It made the one of the most exciting lives in world history seem boring as hell. It made my kids hate space, which is exactly the opposite effect I hoped for when I brought them to the movie.
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And, BTW, the notion that Hollywood is only about the $$ and doesn't care about politics is a load of crap:

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/487640-hooray-for-hollywood-unless-youre-a-conservative
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Head Ninja In Charge said:

I'm honestly surprised there are still responses coming in for a thread kicked off by quoting a Fox News op-ed anchored by the trials and tribulations of...

*checks notes*

...Antonio Sabato Jr.


Probably one of the most under appreciated actors out there.
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To close the loop on this from my end, Ulrich echos my thoughts on Rambo.

Good luck to Antonio!
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aTmAg said:

And, BTW, the notion that Hollywood is only about the $$ and doesn't care about politics is a load of crap:

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/487640-hooray-for-hollywood-unless-youre-a-conservative



Did you read this article before posting it? It covers the following actors:

Antonio Sabato Jr
Julienne Davis
James Woods
Tim Allen (who has his own show)

We already covered sabato. I don't know the second one. I've only heard one side of the Woods story.

Further, it uses a bunch of anonymous sources which f16 tells me is a no-no.

How does Tim Allen have a show if conservatives are outcast? Could it maybe be related to money/talent, and not politics?
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Arguing with him is futile. Trust me.

Not to mention, Tim Allen was ALSO in Toy Story 4 last year, one of the biggest movies of 2019. And yes, his show is still on the air, and still quite popular, from what I understand.

No matter how much sense you talk to these people, no matter the facts and hypocrisy you point to, they've made up their mind and their narrative is set in stone.
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YouBet said:

Aggie4242 said:

YouBet said:

expresswrittenconsent said:

Keep in mind that the typical f16 poster believes in QAnon
We are in your head.

Does that mean Hollywood is in your head?
No, I believe my comments above already show that. I'm going to watch movies regardless of the politics for the most part. I'm just always amused by the shots at F16 on non-F16 boards.
It might be because of threads like this posted about Antonio Sabato Jr and communists (?!), which at a glance is the poster's first post on this board since April when they complained about a gay character.

I'm all for discussions about politics and social views in film and entertainment, I think it's a really interesting topic with lots of potential societal impact. But I'd like to have those discussions with people who actually care about those things and aren't just trying to take shots at "the liberals in Hollywood".

OP hasn't even posted on this thread since their initial post, they have no actual interest in discussion.
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Aggie4242 said:

aTmAg said:

And, BTW, the notion that Hollywood is only about the $$ and doesn't care about politics is a load of crap:

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/487640-hooray-for-hollywood-unless-youre-a-conservative



Did you read this article before posting it? It covers the following actors:

Antonio Sabato Jr
Julienne Davis
James Woods
Tim Allen (who has his own show)

We already covered sabato. I don't know the second one. I've only heard one side of the Woods story.

Further, it uses a bunch of anonymous sources which f16 tells me is a no-no.

How does Tim Allen have a show if conservatives are outcast? Could it maybe be related to money/talent, and not politics?
Seriously? Tim Allen's show got booted off of ABC when his ratings were great. The only reason he got a show was that Fox picked it up.

(And I find it funny that in THIS case you ignore anonymous sources when the whole point of the article is that they are getting cancelled when they are outed as conservatives. Would you really expect them to divulge themselves? That is NOTHING like the cases that F16 are talking about. Those people are protected by law.)
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TCTTS said:

Arguing with him is futile. Trust me.

Not to mention, Tim Allen was ALSO in Toy Story 4 last year, one of the biggest movies of 2019. And yes, his show is still on the air, and still quite popular, from what I understand.

No matter how much sense you talk to these people, no matter the facts and hypocrisy you point to, they've made up their mind and their narrative is set in stone.
Of course they are going keep the same actor in PART 4 of a movie series. If they were making Toy Story 1 in 2019, no way would he have been picked.

And Fox is clearly not liberal like the rest of TV. The fact that he got cancelled on ABC and picked up by Fox isn't an argument for your cause.
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Actors get fired or quit the 3rd, 4th, 5th sequel of a movie all the time. Middling TV shows get dropped by one network and picked up by another network all the time. There's a pretty extensive wiki.


I do love the attempts to turn Tim Allen into Colin Keapernick, though.
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So his show is no longer on the air? Also, you know Fox entertainment is different then Fox News, right?

Further, can you please explain how conservative actors continue to make movies and get roles? It seems like some folks who are has-been a are using their politics as a convenient way to shift the responsibility of finding work away from themselves.

Finally, I made no judgement on anonymous sources, I simply pointed out that you use them when it is convenient for you and dismiss them when it isn't.

You can't have it both ways, so make up your mind.
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aTmAg said:

TCTTS said:

Arguing with him is futile. Trust me.

Not to mention, Tim Allen was ALSO in Toy Story 4 last year, one of the biggest movies of 2019. And yes, his show is still on the air, and still quite popular, from what I understand.

No matter how much sense you talk to these people, no matter the facts and hypocrisy you point to, they've made up their mind and their narrative is set in stone.
Of course they are going keep the same actor in PART 4 of a movie series. If they were making Toy Story 1 in 2019, no way would he have been picked.

And Fox is clearly not liberal like the rest of TV. The fact that he got cancelled on ABC and picked up by Fox isn't an argument for your cause.
A little research shows that ABC would have had to pick up production costs for the new season of Last Man Standing and chose not to do so. They also appear to have generally gone away from sitcoms.

Fox did make a small, conservative show called Glee for several seasons though.
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aTmAg said:

TCTTS said:

Arguing with him is futile. Trust me.

Not to mention, Tim Allen was ALSO in Toy Story 4 last year, one of the biggest movies of 2019. And yes, his show is still on the air, and still quite popular, from what I understand.

No matter how much sense you talk to these people, no matter the facts and hypocrisy you point to, they've made up their mind and their narrative is set in stone.
Of course they are going keep the same actor in PART 4 of a movie series. If they were making Toy Story 1 in 2019, no way would he have been picked.

And Fox is clearly not liberal like the rest of TV. The fact that he got cancelled on ABC and picked up by Fox isn't an argument for your cause.


Fox, the same network that works with Seth McFarlane and airs Family Guy? That Fox?
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Aggie4242 said:

aTmAg said:

TCTTS said:

Arguing with him is futile. Trust me.

Not to mention, Tim Allen was ALSO in Toy Story 4 last year, one of the biggest movies of 2019. And yes, his show is still on the air, and still quite popular, from what I understand.

No matter how much sense you talk to these people, no matter the facts and hypocrisy you point to, they've made up their mind and their narrative is set in stone.
Of course they are going keep the same actor in PART 4 of a movie series. If they were making Toy Story 1 in 2019, no way would he have been picked.

And Fox is clearly not liberal like the rest of TV. The fact that he got cancelled on ABC and picked up by Fox isn't an argument for your cause.


Fox, the same network that works with Seth McFarlane and airs Family Guy? That Fox?
Yeah.. Fox doesn't cancel liberals like others cancel conservatives. Is that supposed to be a good point?

Here are a couple more articles for your reading:

https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-conservatives-hollywood-20170311-story.html
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/hollywood-conservatives-say-more-stars-stay-quiet-to-avoid-public-backlash-being-blacklisted

The fact that there even is a "Friends of Abe" organization and that they keep their membership secret should be enough evidence for you. Meanwhile, liberals in Hollywood of all ranks have absolutely no problem stating who they are. Those conservatives who are not remaining anonymous report that their agents are called pushing them to drop conservatives. Some of them did drop them. Do you think they are lying? Just look at the liberal cancel culture in every other aspect of life. Chick-Fil-A was beaten into submission by the liberal cancel culture. Universities have all but purged conservatives from their ranks (last I heard it was 12-1). Yet somehow you would actually believe that somehow Hollywood is exempt from this BS behavior despite the overwhelming evidence?
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aTmAg said:

Aggie4242 said:

aTmAg said:

TCTTS said:

Arguing with him is futile. Trust me.

Not to mention, Tim Allen was ALSO in Toy Story 4 last year, one of the biggest movies of 2019. And yes, his show is still on the air, and still quite popular, from what I understand.

No matter how much sense you talk to these people, no matter the facts and hypocrisy you point to, they've made up their mind and their narrative is set in stone.
Of course they are going keep the same actor in PART 4 of a movie series. If they were making Toy Story 1 in 2019, no way would he have been picked.

And Fox is clearly not liberal like the rest of TV. The fact that he got cancelled on ABC and picked up by Fox isn't an argument for your cause.


Fox, the same network that works with Seth McFarlane and airs Family Guy? That Fox?
Yeah.. Fox doesn't cancel liberals like others cancel conservatives. Is that supposed to be a good point?

Here are a couple more articles for your reading:

https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-conservatives-hollywood-20170311-story.html
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/hollywood-conservatives-say-more-stars-stay-quiet-to-avoid-public-backlash-being-blacklisted

The fact that there even is a "Friends of Abe" organization and that they keep their membership secret should be enough evidence for you. Meanwhile, liberals in Hollywood of all ranks have absolutely no problem stating who they are. Those conservatives who are not remaining anonymous report that their agents are called pushing them to drop conservatives. Some of them did drop them. Do you think they are lying? Just look at the liberal cancel culture in every other aspect of life. Chick-Fil-A was beaten into submission by the liberal cancel culture. Universities have all but purged conservatives from their ranks (last I heard it was 12-1). Yet somehow you would actually believe that somehow Hollywood is exempt from this BS behavior despite the overwhelming evidence?
I am being dead serious when I ask this...

Do you actually read the articles you post?

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Some believe that deep down, corporate Hollywood is politically agnostic and that profits supersede partisanship.
"Where is this liberal Hollywood agenda? The agenda seems to be whatever will entertain mass audiences," said screenwriter Craig Mazin, who has voted Democrat and Republican and now describes himself as a moderate. "How could an industry have been successful this long if it was alienating half the country?"

Industry insiders say this is especially true in the exhibition industry, which includes the country's major cinema chains as well as small-town theater owners.
"Film buyers are greedy. They want a good performing film," said Ron Rodgers, the retired co-founder of Rocky Mountain Pictures, an independent distributor of conservative and Christian-themed movies.

Second, you think the existence of a "secret" club is convincing evidence that there is a mass conspiracy against conservatives? This should be easy to answer...Can you provide evidence that members of Friends of Abe have been discriminated against strictly because of their political views?

Keep in mind, this is the club's own description of their members:

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While no official tally exists, conservatives in the local entertainment industry estimate their numbers could be as high as a few thousand. That's a small fraction of the nearly 240,000 entertainment-related jobs in the county estimated in the most recent Otis Report on the Creative Economy of the L.A. Region.



Friends of Abe the industry's largest conservative organization alone counts about 2,500 people on its roster, having started a decade ago with just a handful of individuals led by actor Gary Sinise.

Should we apply Occam's Razor to this scenario?

As to your second article...

It keeps talking about the same handful of people. Oh, it also includes John Rhys-Davies, who was black-balled so hard he had a roll in Aquaman and has been in 14 movies and 7 TV series) since 2016.

Surely you have convincing evidence for your argument somewhere.
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Chick-Fil-A was beaten into submission by the liberal cancel culture.
lol wut?

Also, I remember a time when f16 bemoaned 'victimhood' culture. Is that still a thing?
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Yeah.. Fox doesn't cancel liberals like others cancel conservatives. Is that supposed to be a good point?

Yes, because Fox Entertainment isn't conservative, like Fox News. How did you miss that?
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I hated how liberal-ass hollyweird left out Gimli's ethno-centric monologue from LOTR.
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This is what he does.

The only thing that was being argued in this thread was whether or not Hollywood "blacklists" conservative actors. When proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hollywood does not, in fact, blacklist conservative actors, he moves the goalposts and pivots to the "culture" in general, Friends of Abe, etc, which no one else is arguing. As we all know, of course Hollywood leans left. That's not the issue being discussed, though. All we're saying is that they're not blacklisting conservative actors.

But he has his narrative, will never be swayed, and loves to argue 'til he's blue in the face, often shifting the argument as it goes along. He's been doing this for years. I rarely engage anymore, but all that flag talk got me going again, and now here are, arguing with, for intents and purposes, a wall.
 
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