So I gotta start with this...
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I'm sure you can find some a-holes on F16, but you can also find plenty over here. But this is not talking about a-holes getting their just treatment. We are talking about non-a-holes losing jobs merely because they are conservative.
Such as? Everyone on here has been incredibly civil despite your ******* comments, while I could find you people telling folks who are liberal or Democrats that they're vile, the scum of the earth, hate America, etc., on that other board in about two minutes if you'd like. We do have disagreements on here, but in general folks stay pretty civil and get along. I'd happily see a movie and grab a beer with any of the regulars on this board, even the ones with terrible taste in Star Wars films (you know who you are).
And we haven't yet found an example of a non a-hole losing a job because they're conservative. James Woods, I hate to to break it to you, is an a-hole. Antonio Sabato Jr is just not that talented.
Annnnnd...
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No. It's not. People don't get to make up who has the burden of proof out of the blue.
You are correct, the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. If you claim conservatives are being blacklisted then you need to show evidence to that fact that's more convincing than "these guys who aren't getting work claim there's thousands more of them". Even us intellectual lightweights know that.
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...and liberal causes. Just watch ANY awards show for confirmation.
Haven't seen anyone claim that Hollywood doesn't lean liberal.
Are there some people who won't want to work with people who have beliefs that diverge greatly from their own, or folks that support something they find awful? Sure, and the same goes for both sides of the political aisle in just about any field. That's not blacklisting.
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They seem to not care about discrimination against conservatives. They just cloak it in "doing the right thing". And saying that a pastor should be forced to perform a marriage on somebody is slavery. I guess that's the sort of thing democrats are known for, however.
See, here's where you go off the rails and lose any semblance of a rational argument. Nothing about the anti-LGBT legislation in Georgia has anything to do with pastors being forced to marry anyone, which I'd imagine most people would say was dumb. And now you're ranting about Democrats. This is the Entertainment board, stick to the plot man.
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So explain why you think Tim Allen's show was cancelled from ABC?
Per a quick search, ABC would've had to pick up the costs of producing the new season (it had been paid by the production company for the first several seasons) and was moving away from sitcoms in the slot where his show fit. Their president said it was a hard decision. But I don't know the details, and shows get cancelled for all kinds of reasons like the more liberal shows I mentioned. A show getting cancelled is a horribly flimsy piece of evidence.
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Well gee I guess that since Jackie Robinson was in MLB in 1947, then there must have been no racism in baseball anymore, right?
You're really terrible at the arguments.
Were there one lone conservative who was ridiculed but kept making movies anyway and was eventually an inspiration for the country then this might hold up in some weird way. Not to mention that racism is a far more complex issue. But I'll admit that only listing a few could be outliers so let's add to the list.
Outside the already mentioned really prominent conservatives that are incredibly successful in Hollywood, a quick search adds more to the list: Vince Vaughn, Joe Pesci, Kurt Russell, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Selleck, Jon Voight, James Caan, and Laura Prepon. Those folks aren't having a hard time finding work.
And we've already mentioned Adam Sandler...any argument that Hollywood is blacklisting conservatives goes out the window with Adam Sandler. He hasn't made a genuinely good movie in a decade and Netflix won't stop throwing money at him.
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It's not just those few people I'm talking about. Those are just the people who were big enough to come out and proud about it. According to them, there are thousands of lower level people who choose to remain anonymous out of fear of losing their jobs.
Here's the thing: that's not proof. That's hearsay at best.
You want to prove that there's discrimination? Find a liberal, attractive late-40s actor who's not very talented that's super successful in Hollywood. Or a decent talented older liberal actor who says horrible hateful things on Twitter but is still busy making movies.
Spoiler: there's few or none, because if you're not talented or an awful person most folks don't want to hire you. If you're talented enough at anything (see: the NFL, Hollywood, etc.) then people will forgive all kinds of behavior. But if the headache of working with your eclipses how good you are people will just move on.
Are there some people who are refusing to hire people because of their political views? Probably, there's awful people everywhere. But the fact that none of these articles are featuring folks who were at one time really successful (except for Woods...again, *******) and now can't get projects is kind of telling.