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That was just for you, since I knew how much it'd bug you.
aTmAg said:The Village isn't bad.bluefire579 said:The Signs comparisons came from the trailer, not from his directorial capabilities. Swing back around to this topic when he starts making movies like Lady in the Water, The Village, or the HappeningaTmLoKi said:
With all the talk about Signs in a Jordan Peele thread - is it too early to begin to discuss JP as the next MNS?
The Village had a lot of promise. The "twist" was maybe the dumbest of all his movies.
Okay devil's advocate... First time watching Signs, did anyone call BS on the water thing? Walking out of the theater I was terrified, but very satisfied how everything came together.
If you had your experience ruined by that, the first time through, then okay. But I'd guess most people didn't reach that point during the movie in the theater.
A great movie needs to have a solid screenplay that holds up after you nitpick it... but I think a successful movie only really needs it to hold together while your butt's in the seat. Suspension of disbelief and all that.
Also bringing this back home, I think Peele has been on both sides of this. So it's fair to compare him to M.Night in that context. I'm pretty optimistic here too. It's hard to gauge that kind of thing from a trailer but it sure does feel like he's about to lay down a solid yarn.
If you had your experience ruined by that, the first time through, then okay. But I'd guess most people didn't reach that point during the movie in the theater.
A great movie needs to have a solid screenplay that holds up after you nitpick it... but I think a successful movie only really needs it to hold together while your butt's in the seat. Suspension of disbelief and all that.
Also bringing this back home, I think Peele has been on both sides of this. So it's fair to compare him to M.Night in that context. I'm pretty optimistic here too. It's hard to gauge that kind of thing from a trailer but it sure does feel like he's about to lay down a solid yarn.
Sixth Sense is a masterpiece. But I actually don't agree with your take on Signs. Even if the Aliens knew that water was deadly for them, that wouldn't necessarily stop them from coming. I didn't mind the plot twist.TCTTS said:
I'd take Sixth Sense and Unbreakable over Signs all day long. Also, we're not "missing the point" with the water thing. It's objectively dumb, and something you have to flat out ignore to *appreciate* the point of the movie.
For those who haven't seen it, The Visit is underrated. It's a low budget Shyamalan film that is really creepy.
I saw it coming, but only because I expect twists from him. If I saw it in a vacuum I might not have and it would have been pretty good.
One day, he's going to make a movie where the twist is to not have a twist. (Maybe he already has.. I haven't seen all of his movies)
Btw, was that movie about people on the beach getting old fast good?
One day, he's going to make a movie where the twist is to not have a twist. (Maybe he already has.. I haven't seen all of his movies)
Btw, was that movie about people on the beach getting old fast good?
I'm sorry, but it's utterly preposterous that an advanced alien race - one susceptible to *water* - would navigate and literally walk around an intelligently populated planet that is 75% water, without taking some kind of waterproofing precautions. That they mastered interstellar travel and anti-gravity, but somehow either didn't know what water was, didn't know they were susceptible to it, or didn't think to wear waterproof gear or waterproof their craft, is just about the dumbest thing imaginable. At the very least, a species that smart and that capable would have sent some kind of unmanned scouts to the planet to first test its elements/atmosphere/etc. I really can't believe people are defending this or are trying to argue that it actually makes a lick of sense. Signs is an enjoyable, legitimately scary movie. I like Signs. But you don't have to bend over backwards trying to defend one of the most ridiculous, convenient, and lazy endings ever to validate your love for the movie as a whole.
And you don't have to die on this hill either.
C@LAg said:it did not age well.aTmAg said:
Btw, was that movie about people on the beach getting old fast good?
Hahaha, exactly. The more you peel back even the thinnest layer, the more ridiculous it is.
What do you think about the theory that it wasn't water that killed them it was "holy" water?TCTTS said:
I'm sorry, but it's utterly preposterous that an advanced alien race - one susceptible to *water* - would navigate and literally walk around an intelligently populated planet that is 75% water, without taking some kind of waterproofing precautions. That they mastered interstellar travel and anti-gravity, but somehow either didn't know what water was, didn't know they were susceptible to it, or didn't think to wear waterproof gear or waterproof their craft, is just about the dumbest thing imaginable. At the very least, a species that smart and that capable would have sent some kind of unmanned scouts to the planet to first test its elements/atmosphere/etc. I really can't believe people are defending this or are trying to argue that it actually makes a lick of sense. Signs is an enjoyable, legitimately scary movie. I like Signs. But you don't have to bend over backwards trying to defend one of the most ridiculous, convenient, and lazy endings ever to validate your love for the movie as a whole.
I actually really dig that demons theory, read that a couple years ago and it makes a lot of sense.
But even without that, it's a great ending thematically and emotionally. The entire movie built towards that, and the moment everything falls into place with the "swing away" is just awesome.
It seems pretty disingenuous to claim it's a horribly dumb ending unless you want to apply real world logic to every movie. You can do it for literally every movie ever written. The most important question is how it made you feel at the end of the movie. To me, the ending is what makes that movie a great movie, rather than a forgettable alien movie like so many others.
JMO.
But even without that, it's a great ending thematically and emotionally. The entire movie built towards that, and the moment everything falls into place with the "swing away" is just awesome.
It seems pretty disingenuous to claim it's a horribly dumb ending unless you want to apply real world logic to every movie. You can do it for literally every movie ever written. The most important question is how it made you feel at the end of the movie. To me, the ending is what makes that movie a great movie, rather than a forgettable alien movie like so many others.
JMO.
You must know he means allegorically, not literally, right?
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look we can disagree on whether the plot point is stupid (it is) but still overall like the movie.
Exactly. No point trying to convince anyone about it.
I'm no theological expert, but it seems to me, once they figure out holy water is their weakness, some priest/bishop/pope/etc. could bless the entire ocean and make the whole thing holy water.C@LAg said:would be ridiculous to assume they used holy water the world over to repel the invasion.aTmAg said:
What do you think about the theory that it wasn't water that killed them it was "holy" water?
the aliens were not just in podunk Pennsylvania.
it was just plain water.
That problem is a lot easier to write around than the "aliens couldn't figure out water/doors" angle.
Why bring a minigun to an asteroid?C@LAg said:yes, but I mean literally, so that it actually fits into the reality of the story as presented.Brian Earl Spilner said:
You must know he means allegorically, not literally, right?
look we can disagree on whether the plot point is stupid (it is) but still overall like the movie.
same as Armageddon. Why try to train a group of non-astronauts as astronauts to do a job in space, instead of spending that time to train astronauts todo the drilling. it is dumb, but the movie was fun.
You could say the same thing about War of the Worlds and viruses.TCTTS said:
I'm sorry, but it's utterly preposterous that an advanced alien race - one susceptible to *water* - would navigate and literally walk around an intelligently populated planet that is 75% water, without taking some kind of waterproofing precautions. That they mastered interstellar travel and anti-gravity, but somehow either didn't know what water was, didn't know they were susceptible to it, or didn't think to wear waterproof gear or waterproof their craft, is just about the dumbest thing imaginable. At the very least, a species that smart and that capable would have sent some kind of unmanned scouts to the planet to first test its elements/atmosphere/etc. I really can't believe people are defending this or are trying to argue that it actually makes a lick of sense. Signs is an enjoyable, legitimately scary movie. I like Signs. But you don't have to bend over backwards trying to defend one of the most ridiculous, convenient, and lazy endings ever to validate your love for the movie as a whole.
You do you brother.
How do you know they weren't the "unmanned scouts"?TCTTS said:
I'm sorry, but it's utterly preposterous that an advanced alien race - one susceptible to *water* - would navigate and literally walk around an intelligently populated planet that is 75% water, without taking some kind of waterproofing precautions. That they mastered interstellar travel and anti-gravity, but somehow either didn't know what water was, didn't know they were susceptible to it, or didn't think to wear waterproof gear or waterproof their craft, is just about the dumbest thing imaginable. At the very least, a species that smart and that capable would have sent some kind of unmanned scouts to the planet to first test its elements/atmosphere/etc. I really can't believe people are defending this or are trying to argue that it actually makes a lick of sense. Signs is an enjoyable, legitimately scary movie. I like Signs. But you don't have to bend over backwards trying to defend one of the most ridiculous, convenient, and lazy endings ever to validate your love for the movie as a whole.
The son actually talks about how in that alien book he was reading, the guy's theory was the aliens would send scouts first. I forget the exact details, but that was definitely the intent. These were the scout aliens.
Whoever sees this movie in the same theater as Spyderman is gonna need a Gallagher-esque splash zone.
aggierogue said:You could say the same thing about War of the Worlds and viruses.TCTTS said:
I'm sorry, but it's utterly preposterous that an advanced alien race - one susceptible to *water* - would navigate and literally walk around an intelligently populated planet that is 75% water, without taking some kind of waterproofing precautions. That they mastered interstellar travel and anti-gravity, but somehow either didn't know what water was, didn't know they were susceptible to it, or didn't think to wear waterproof gear or waterproof their craft, is just about the dumbest thing imaginable. At the very least, a species that smart and that capable would have sent some kind of unmanned scouts to the planet to first test its elements/atmosphere/etc. I really can't believe people are defending this or are trying to argue that it actually makes a lick of sense. Signs is an enjoyable, legitimately scary movie. I like Signs. But you don't have to bend over backwards trying to defend one of the most ridiculous, convenient, and lazy endings ever to validate your love for the movie as a whole.
You do you brother.
And I find the ending of War of the Worlds to be just as dumb.
At least you're consistent.
TCTTS said:aggierogue said:You could say the same thing about War of the Worlds and viruses.TCTTS said:
I'm sorry, but it's utterly preposterous that an advanced alien race - one susceptible to *water* - would navigate and literally walk around an intelligently populated planet that is 75% water, without taking some kind of waterproofing precautions. That they mastered interstellar travel and anti-gravity, but somehow either didn't know what water was, didn't know they were susceptible to it, or didn't think to wear waterproof gear or waterproof their craft, is just about the dumbest thing imaginable. At the very least, a species that smart and that capable would have sent some kind of unmanned scouts to the planet to first test its elements/atmosphere/etc. I really can't believe people are defending this or are trying to argue that it actually makes a lick of sense. Signs is an enjoyable, legitimately scary movie. I like Signs. But you don't have to bend over backwards trying to defend one of the most ridiculous, convenient, and lazy endings ever to validate your love for the movie as a whole.
You do you brother.
And I find the ending of War of the Worlds to be just as dumb.
Yeah, all the native Americans who died from the European illnesses thought the ending was lame too.
Can I poke holes in Top Gun now?TCTTS said:aggierogue said:You could say the same thing about War of the Worlds and viruses.TCTTS said:
I'm sorry, but it's utterly preposterous that an advanced alien race - one susceptible to *water* - would navigate and literally walk around an intelligently populated planet that is 75% water, without taking some kind of waterproofing precautions. That they mastered interstellar travel and anti-gravity, but somehow either didn't know what water was, didn't know they were susceptible to it, or didn't think to wear waterproof gear or waterproof their craft, is just about the dumbest thing imaginable. At the very least, a species that smart and that capable would have sent some kind of unmanned scouts to the planet to first test its elements/atmosphere/etc. I really can't believe people are defending this or are trying to argue that it actually makes a lick of sense. Signs is an enjoyable, legitimately scary movie. I like Signs. But you don't have to bend over backwards trying to defend one of the most ridiculous, convenient, and lazy endings ever to validate your love for the movie as a whole.
You do you brother.
And I find the ending of War of the Worlds to be just as dumb.
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