Should be entertaining.

BowSowy said:

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This was spyderman's 666th post under this new account

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"Be careful what you wish for, A&M"

You guys might want to edit your posts about his previous username. Staff will ban you if they see it.

Teddy Perkins said:

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It's out. 2 hrs and 20 minutes. Hard for me to get past Dr. Greer and his consistent plugging of his books and movies and I'm only 40 minutes into this. He also just comes off as very egotistical and a big name dropper.

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Yeah, I would highly recommend NOT listening to a damn thing Steven Greer has to say about anything. Dude is a grifter, and has long since gone completely off the reservation, which is saying something, considering the community he's a part of (a community who has, thankfully, increasingly ignored him and pushed him far into the margins). Yet another example of Spyderman/Charles highlighting the exact wrong lunatics/theories as a means of "witnessing" about this subject.

Is Tom Delonge involved?

Being a converted believer in this phenomenon, but not a devotee about it who follows it that closely, does the admission of the US military, NASA, other governments, etc. that this is a real thing not move the needle more than guys like in the video?

Like... why is this a fringe bizarro cottage industry? Is it all about identifying WHAT it is vs the fact it exists?

There are 75+ years of stigma associated with this subject, and that stigma isn't easily broken. Thankfully, the 2017 New York Times article, all the pilots and military personal who have come forward since that time, along with the subsequent Pentagon admission that these objects are real, has done wonders to chip away at that stigma. The past five years have seen infinitely more progress than the 70 prior, no question. That said, the vast majority of the public still remains uninformed as to what, exactly, is happening. Things like the 60 Minutes segment last year have certainly helped, and though I can't stand Fox News, even I have to admit that they're reporting on the subject has gone a long way as well. But it hasn't been nearly enough to truly inform the public what's happening, in a way that really puts a dent in the stigma. It's almost assuredly going to take a smoking gun of sorts, but at the pace we're on, I have zero doubts we'll have that smoking gun by 2030 at the latest, if not long before. The dam is definitely breaking.

What is the smoking gun? Footage of an actual alien? A captured spaceship?

How did spyderman or mckelvey's curse or whomever the hell get permabanned

Based on various context clues from those who have come forward so far, I think it would likely come in three steps…

1) Undeniable, crystal clear footage, recorded from a military camera or cameras (say, from a fighter jet), of a craft performing maneuvers that break the laws of physics as we know them, confirmed in conjunction with supporting radar and satellite data. Same as the 2017 New York Times footage, this footage would likely be leaked by government officials and not officially released, but would cause the Pentagon to have to admit to its authenticity, same as they did for the 2017 footage.

2) A whistleblower who comes forward, under the new whistleblower protect act, established by Congress in December of last year for this very reason, with undeniable proof that a few, elite members of the Pentagon, in conjunction with an aerospace company such as Lockheed, has in its position debris from a crashed craft of off world origin/not built by man.

3) And then, finally, yes, an actual photograph of an alien, from said downed craft.

I never said it did. The footage would *obviously* have to be way better than that. The compelling aspect of the NYT/60 Minutes stuff is the pilot testimony that goes along with it, adding context to what we're seeing. They're the ones saying these object broke the laws of physics. I'm saying it's going to take crystal clear footage + pilot testimony + radar and satellite data to truly make a dent toward disclosure.

That's why I think it's going to happen in steps. There's almost assuredly no scenario where there's an official announcement that there are aliens or anything like that, nor will it likely be one event/leak that convinces everyone. It's going to take a compounding series of events/leaks, over the course of a few weeks/months/years. The encouraging thing is, that process has already begun, and we're so much further along in that regard than anyone could have dreamed in 2016. To the point where there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube. At this point, it's just a matter of when.

So you do believe in aliens?

There is absolutely, undeniably craft being witnessed and recorded on our planet that are not only capable of defying the laws of physics as we know them, but are transmedium in nature, meaning a single craft capable of traversing water, air and space, often times witnessed traversing all three in a matter of seconds. This, according to testimony and interviews, on the record, over the past five years, from Navy pilots, radar personnel, Department of Defense officials, Senators, members of Congress, the Pentagon itself, and a number of highly credible scientists (the two videos below are just the tip of that iceberg, but a good place to start).

Given that reality, these craft either belong to…

-The Russians
-The Chinese
-The United States
-A non-human intelligence (i.e. "aliens")

Considering the state of the Ukraine war, and how incompetent Russia has proven over the past year, I think we can pretty easily rule them out. Sure, it could be China, but then you'd have to ask yourself why they haven't already taken over the world with this technology, never mind the fact that most in-the-know-types are dismissing them for a number of other reasons. The next logical step would then be to assume this phenomenon is coming from our own, deepest, darkest black programs, but toying with our own military, hovering over our own nuclear installations, and causing our own Congress to panic, which seems incredibly suspect and nonsensical. Especially when A) we have all kinds of restricted airspace to test such theoretical technology, and B) pilots have reported seeing these same kind of craft since WWII.

So, that basically leaves a non-human intelligence, be them extra-terrestrials, ultra-terrestrials, or from another dimension/frequency of existence altogether. All I'm going to say is that the phenomenon is real, and that it's no longer a matter of belief. It's simply a matter of being informed or not as to what is going on. Whether it's aliens or not is the question (though that's obviously where I lean).

I would also HIGHLY recommend the new National Geographic / Hulu documentary series on the topic. Two of five episodes have aired (actually, episodes three and four debuted tonight on Nat Geo but will be available on Hulu tomorrow, where I'll be watching), and so far this is hands down the best docuseries I've seen on the subject yet. It's not a bunch of sensational History Channel bullsh*t, nor is it interviews with abductees or anything like that. It's a serious, objective, highly credible exploration of the topic, with interviews from everyone I mentioned above, from Navy pilots to Senators to Defense personnel, etc, and very much a historical overview of the topic, as it relates to our government...

TCTTS said:

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I never said it did. The footage would *obviously* have to be way better than that. The compelling aspect of the NYT/60 Minutes stuff is the pilot testimony that goes along with it, adding context to what we're seeing. They're the ones saying these object broke the laws of physics. I'm saying it's going to take crystal clear footage + pilot testimony + radar and satellite data to truly make a dent toward disclosure.

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It may not have been you, but there were people saying that those videos showed impossible maneuvers. It may have even been the pilots themselves, I forget. But somebody familiar with how TFLIR works can see that it was merely the TFLIR losing point track. And if the pilots (or whoever) are claiming that video confirms claims of impossible maneuvers then that makes me doubt their testimony. In fact, if I remember right, the range to target was too far for human eyes to see. So those particular pilots might have been looking at the TFLIR like everybody else and making the same misjudgement. In hindsight, I suspect that is what happened in those cases.

It would be more realistic to imagine a former human civilization here on earth that was destroyed, and these are the remnants/descendants of said civilization, than it is to imagine that it's aliens.

Chances are this is all of human/earth origin some way, some how…

I do find it funny that every time people see a thread by the OP they poo poo it (understandably), but the thread itself always takes off.
I love the subject too, but not like this.

aTmAg said:

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TCTTS said:

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I never said it did. The footage would *obviously* have to be way better than that. The compelling aspect of the NYT/60 Minutes stuff is the pilot testimony that goes along with it, adding context to what we're seeing. They're the ones saying these object broke the laws of physics. I'm saying it's going to take crystal clear footage + pilot testimony + radar and satellite data to truly make a dent toward disclosure.

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It may not have been you, but there were people saying that those videos showed impossible maneuvers. It may have even been the pilots themselves, I forget. But somebody familiar with how TFLIR works can see that it was merely the TFLIR losing point track. And if the pilots (or whoever) are claiming that video confirms claims of impossible maneuvers then that makes me doubt their testimony. In fact, if I remember right, the range to target was too far for human eyes to see. So those particular pilots might have been looking at the TFLIR like everybody else and making the same misjudgement. In hindsight, I suspect that is what happened in those cases.

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Every debunker of those videos has either been proven false, or hardly has a leg to stand on. So far it's all a bunch of amateur skeptics grasping at straws to meet an agenda. They're the furthest things from scientists in pursuit of truth, whatever the truth might be. They're people with a vested interest in *playing* the debunker/skeptic, no matter the evidence, and making sure their claims result in an earthly explanation.

While, conversely, nearly every single credible military pilot and personnel with TFLIR tech experience either backs up the Nimitz pilots' claims, or refuses to rule out exotic/alien technology being recorded in those videos. Never mind the fact that MULTIPLE pilots all report seeing the EXACT same thing with their own eyes, in addition to MULTIPLE radar technicians who have come forward to confirm the velocities and maneuverabilities of the objects being seen. Hell, again, the Pentagon itself confirmed that the objects in the videos are real/did what the pilots said they did. So, did all of these people have a shared hallucination? Including the radar technicians on the ships? Did they all conspire to make all this sh*t up? Because either of those scenarios are just as unbelievable. I will never understand why it's so easy for some people to dismiss witness testimony in these instances, especially when it's coming from literal Top Gun pilots who have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming forward.

TCTTS said:

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aTmAg said:

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TCTTS said:

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I never said it did. The footage would *obviously* have to be way better than that. The compelling aspect of the NYT/60 Minutes stuff is the pilot testimony that goes along with it, adding context to what we're seeing. They're the ones saying these object broke the laws of physics. I'm saying it's going to take crystal clear footage + pilot testimony + radar and satellite data to truly make a dent toward disclosure.

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It may not have been you, but there were people saying that those videos showed impossible maneuvers. It may have even been the pilots themselves, I forget. But somebody familiar with how TFLIR works can see that it was merely the TFLIR losing point track. And if the pilots (or whoever) are claiming that video confirms claims of impossible maneuvers then that makes me doubt their testimony. In fact, if I remember right, the range to target was too far for human eyes to see. So those particular pilots might have been looking at the TFLIR like everybody else and making the same misjudgement. In hindsight, I suspect that is what happened in those cases.

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Every debunker of those videos has either been proven false, or hardly has a leg to stand on. So far it's all a bunch of amateur skeptics grasping at straws to meet an agenda. They're the furthest things from scientists in pursuit of truth, whatever the truth might be. They're people with a vested interest in *playing* the debunker/skeptic, no matter the evidence, and making sure their claims result in an earthly explanation.

While, conversely, nearly every single credible military pilot and personnel with TFLIR tech experience either backs up the Nimitz pilots' claims, or refuses to rule out exotic/alien technology being recorded in those videos. Never mind the fact that MULTIPLE pilots all report seeing the EXACT same thing with their own eyes, in addition to MULTIPLE radar technicians who have come forward to confirm the velocities and maneuverabilities of the objects being seen. Hell, again, the Pentagon itself confirmed that the objects in the videos are real/did what the pilots said they did. So, did all of these people have a shared hallucination? Including the radar technicians on the ships? Did they all conspire to make all this sh*t up? Because either of those scenarios are just as unbelievable. I will never understand why it's so easy for some people to dismiss witness testimony in these instances, especially when it's coming from literal Top Gun pilots who have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming forward.

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I literally worked on TFLIR for 7 years and have written code for it. I know more about the algorithms they use then every pilot in the NAVY. I'm telling you, that the 60 minute videos in question do NOT show what people claim they show. And I have never seen any hard evidence of radar tracks or anything that corroborate it. I've only seen claims that they exist somewhere.