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I'm super interested in this sort of thing, but it should always be viewed with the understanding that the human brain is not a reality-percieving device. The brain's preceptory function is to filter and interpret reality into something we can more easily understand/comprehend. We also can't tell the difference between imagined experiences and real ones once they're logged and stored away in our memories... this is why we can hear a story over and over again and eventually believe we remember experiencing it ourselves.

The way the brain functions makes recounting facts from things like astral projection or superconscious trips unreliable, at best.

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Fair enough. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Astral projection isn't like walking through a Stargate and suddenly you're in this entirely, 100% cognizable alternate world with aliens roaming around. It's really hard to describe. But I can tell you each time I did it I used the exact same steps to do so. Worked sometimes. Sometimes it didn't. I didn't dream it if that's what you're implying.

To this day 10+ years later I'll be lying in bed sometimes and I feel the "pull". I easily shake it away but it's clear I'll carry this the rest of my life. Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't matter to me if you believe. I know what I experienced. I'm not running around trying to sell my story. It's just my life.

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I don't disbelieve, just pointing out that all of our experiences, even the mundane, are altered by our brains when processed. Our memories don't record events as they happened, for example... memories approximate experiences.

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I'm super interested in this sort of thing, but it should always be viewed with the understanding that the human brain is not a reality-percieving device. The brain's preceptory function is to filter and interpret reality into something we can more easily understand/comprehend. We also can't tell the difference between imagined experiences and real ones once they're logged and stored away in our memories... this is why we can hear a story over and over again and eventually believe we remember experiencing it ourselves.

The way the brain functions makes recounting facts from things like astral projection or superconscious trips unreliable, at best.

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Fair enough. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Astral projection isn't like walking through a Stargate and suddenly you're in this entirely, 100% cognizable alternate world with aliens roaming around. It's really hard to describe. But I can tell you each time I did it I used the exact same steps to do so. Worked sometimes. Sometimes it didn't. I didn't dream it if that's what you're implying.

To this day 10+ years later I'll be lying in bed sometimes and I feel the "pull". I easily shake it away but it's clear I'll carry this the rest of my life. Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't matter to me if you believe. I know what I experienced. I'm not running around trying to sell my story. It's just my life.

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I vaguely remember you posting about this experience years ago, and how the last time you did it successfully, it was terrifying.
How similar are the steps to get to lucid dreaming?

Lucid dreaming is pretty cool, one of those things you have to "practice" though.

Life is a weird thing

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Lucid dreaming is entirely different from astral projection but they're confused often. A lucid dream is a dream you're having where you're in some degree of "control" over what's happening. Some claim to have full control over it, others vary.

Astral projection is separating your "soul" from your physical body and exploring that world which is commonly called the astral plane. If you do it right, there's a tether from your soul back to your physical body.

I never experienced this, but folks always advise to never sever that tether under any circumstances. I've heard stories of entities trying to convince people to sever the tether to "see something" even crazier. If you sever that tether, good luck finding your body.

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What was the demon like that you encountered? Did it speak English?

It's crazy what you experienced. I wouldn't touch the astral plane with a 10 foot dick

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BenFiasco14 said:

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I'm super interested in this sort of thing, but it should always be viewed with the understanding that the human brain is not a reality-percieving device. The brain's preceptory function is to filter and interpret reality into something we can more easily understand/comprehend. We also can't tell the difference between imagined experiences and real ones once they're logged and stored away in our memories... this is why we can hear a story over and over again and eventually believe we remember experiencing it ourselves.

The way the brain functions makes recounting facts from things like astral projection or superconscious trips unreliable, at best.

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Fair enough. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Astral projection isn't like walking through a Stargate and suddenly you're in this entirely, 100% cognizable alternate world with aliens roaming around. It's really hard to describe. But I can tell you each time I did it I used the exact same steps to do so. Worked sometimes. Sometimes it didn't. I didn't dream it if that's what you're implying.

To this day 10+ years later I'll be lying in bed sometimes and I feel the "pull". I easily shake it away but it's clear I'll carry this the rest of my life. Believe what you want to believe. Doesn't matter to me if you believe. I know what I experienced. I'm not running around trying to sell my story. It's just my life.

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I vaguely remember you posting about this experience years ago, and how the last time you did it successfully, it was terrifying.
How similar are the steps to get to lucid dreaming?

Lucid dreaming is pretty cool, one of those things you have to "practice" though.

Life is a weird thing

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Lucid dreaming is entirely different from astral projection but they're confused often. A lucid dream is a dream you're having where you're in some degree of "control" over what's happening. Some claim to have full control over it, others vary.

Astral projection is separating your "soul" from your physical body and exploring that world which is commonly called the astral plane. If you do it right, there's a tether from your soul back to your physical body.

I never experienced this, but folks always advise to never sever that tether under any circumstances. I've heard stories of entities trying to convince people to sever the tether to "see something" even crazier. If you sever that tether, good luck finding your body.

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What was the demon like that you encountered? Did it speak English?

It's crazy what you experienced. I wouldn't touch the astral plane with a 10 foot dick

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It didn't speak to me or at least in anyway I could understand. So no English. All I really remember is the vivid look of this things face. Best way I can describe it is picture a perfectly round head a kid might draw which obviously isn't how a human head is usually shaped. It was wearing what looked like a black top hat. Skin was orange yellowish. Nose was two tiny nostril dots. Eyes were slits that glowed if opened. Mouth was similarly a slit that I don't recall moving much like a mouth would for speech. And I only saw the head. No neck or body.

Wow, thanks for sharing this. Your reference to the "vibrational stage" signals to me you know what you're talking about and that's what I was referring to by feeling a "tug" to go back.

**** you not, few years ago I was at a relatives house on a weekend and was taking an afternoon nap after hunting all morning. I'm just lying on my side, bright as day around noon, and the vibrational stage in all its glory just … happened. It took me a few minutes to center myself and get out of the "pull" but I remember lying there after like, "wtf just happened?"

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Wow, thanks for sharing this. Your reference to the "vibrational stage" signals to me you know what you're talking about and that's what I was referring to by feeling a "tug" to go back.

**** you not, few years ago I was at a relatives house on a weekend and was taking an afternoon nap after hunting all morning. I'm just lying on my side, bright as day around noon, and the vibrational stage in all its glory just … happened. It took me a few minutes to center myself and get out of the "pull" but I remember lying there after like, "wtf just happened?"

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I seem to get that more when I lay down and nap. I don't get it as often now as I have gotten older. More just straight there. Once you experience the vibration, you will know you are close. Some people correlate the 'vibration' stage with sleep paralysis. I think that's the gateway - accepting that you are OK is what lets you move past that point.

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Do you agree that it is possible that there may be no loopholes for the light speed one? And if it turns out that there is no such loophole, then that alone means there is basically zero chance of us getting into contact in our lifetimes?

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Sure. But we know that bending spacetime is likely an eventual possibility. We just don't know how to produce enough energy, especially within a single craft, to do it. But theoretically the concept isn't *that* elusive, and we've figured out the basic gist. To the point where NASA, Elon Musk, prominent scientists, etc are currently spending millions researching exactly how to do pull it off. Is there a chance no one ever cracks it before humanity eventually dies off? I guess. But that honestly doesn't seem likely. Especially considering how report after report after report, from credible military pilots and personnel, time and again, in combination with radar and satellite data, point to craft, right here, right now, that are bending spacetime before their very eyes. I mean, it's gotten to the point where it's nearly inarguable that objects capable of bending spacetime are occupying our skies. The question isn't whether they're real or not. The question is whether they're from a deep black program of ours that has somehow already figured out this technology - or alien.

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I think I've said some of this before, but those posts may have been nuked:

Just so you know, there are also scientists who think wormholes are impossible too. But they don't get clicks, so most of us don't hear about them. So it's not close to a forgone conclusion like you might think.

Also, as a Space X fanboy, I have never heard of Elon Musk spending his money on wormhole research. Do you have a link for that? NASA scientists will happily spend taxpayer money on whatever congress wants. That doesn't mean they are getting anywhere. They have spending a gazillion dollars on things like mars rovers that have no chance in hell of actually making it to mars.

Regarding pilots: for every military pilot in the air at a given time, there are thousands of civilian passengers flying in planes every bit as high as F-18s. If these pilots are seeing this stuff with their naked eye, then we should have had thousands of damn good pictures by now. But we don't.

Have you ever actually seen any of this radar or satellite data? I have not. I have only seen claims that it exists. Can you link to it if you have? And BTW, radar doesn't work like it shows in movies. It is very hit and miss. It is not uncommon to see things that defy physics. In fact, there are jamming techniques to make this sort of thing happen on purpose. We all do it to protect our pilots. It's hard to hit something with a missile if you think the target is there instead of here. There is an entire arms race that most people don't know about of radars and jamming that has been going on for decades.

Finally, there is this: Let's say that there is some sort of brain waves that aliens can read from many light years away in real-time. They come to investigate, but they don't really announce themselves. You have said, that they do that by design to not freak us out or to expose themselves slowly or whatnot. However, if the capability is there that aliens can read brainwaves, then that means aliens from all over the universe can read those brain waves too. Why would they ALL agree to the "don't announce ourselves" policy? Wouldn't at least ONE of them blow that off?

The Roswell alien broke the prime directive obviously. Look what happened to him

Your thoughts on the current controlled extraterrestrial reality disclosure process and related US GOV cover-up?
When the nervous contagious giggling subsides, how will our civilization adapt to this publicly known reality?

What might be some of the potential implications of disclosure of this reality? New energy sources perhaps? Religions? History?

Do we really want to know the full truth?

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The Roswell alien broke the prime directive obviously. Look what happened to him

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If I recall correctly, he became his own grandfather.

Charles Hickson Knows said:

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Your thoughts on the current controlled extraterrestrial reality disclosure process and related US GOV cover-up?
When the nervous contagious giggling subsides, how will our civilization adapt to this publicly known reality?

What might be some of the potential implications of disclosure of this reality? New energy sources perhaps? Religions? History?

Do we really want to know the full truth?

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All of history would be reevaluated as people looked for signs of encounters in the past. And religion as we know it would cease to exist... it wouldn't go away, but all theologies would have to fundamentally change to either accept or explain away the new data.

I mean... I'm not 100% sure any of us actually exists to begin with, so I could handle the new reality without much headache, I think. It might get me to watch the news again.

Slow release of the info we have seems to be the strategy. Slowly acclimating people.

What drives motivation after maslow's hierarchy of needs is met for an individual? What causes empathy and compassion? What is love?

I'm ok with accepting we'll likely never understand the bigger picture, at least not in this life on Earth. To think we might learn more about this unknown in our lifetime is honestly terrifying to me

Ignorance is bliss

If it were the '90s or even the '00s I would agree. Pre iPhone, pre rampant social media, pre hyper partisanship, pre A.I., etc, the world seemed to make a bit more sense. Things felt a little more tangible, established, traditional, and so on. On one hand, yeah, it definitely would have been nice to have been born earlier in the 20th century and die blissfully ignorant of the world today.

That said, now that the toothpaste is out of the tube, so to speak, I say bring it on. Let's rip the band-aid off, learn some answers, and let the chips fall where they may. It could be terrifying, sure, but it could also be liberating and eventually even enlightening in ways we can't comprehend. Personally, I'm excited. At this point, I'm mentally prepared for whatever the answers might be, no matter how "bad," but more than anything I'm just in awe that we might very well be the first humans in history to have this particular unknown answered.

Between that, the rapid evolution of A.I., and de-aging increasingly making news/potentially becoming a very real thing within a couple of decades (if not sooner), I think our lives are eventually going to be very, very different from what they are now, to the point where we might very well not only see more change/technological advancements than any generation in history, but have perspective and understanding of our place in the universe unlike any other generation prior as well. And I'd take that over blissful ignorance any day of the week.

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Charles Hickson Knows said:

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Your thoughts on the current controlled extraterrestrial reality disclosure process and related US GOV cover-up?
When the nervous contagious giggling subsides, how will our civilization adapt to this publicly known reality?

What might be some of the potential implications of disclosure of this reality? New energy sources perhaps? Religions? History?

Do we really want to know the full truth?

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All of history would be reevaluated as people looked for signs of encounters in the past. And religion as we know it would cease to exist... it wouldn't go away, but all theologies would have to fundamentally change to either accept or explain away the new data.

I mean... I'm not 100% sure any of us actually exists to begin with, so I could handle the new reality without much headache, I think. It might get me to watch the news again.

Slow release of the info we have seems to be the strategy. Slowly acclimating people.

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Do you think the fear of societal collapse due to the revealing of the truth of et involvement in the development of the major religions might cause the gate-keepers of the reality to intensely try to cover it up? Or is the cover-up justified by something else?

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If it were the '90s or even the '00s I would agree. Pre iPhone, pre rampant social media, pre hyper partisanship, pre A.I., etc, the world seemed to make a bit more sense. Things felt a little more tangible, established, traditional, and so on. On one hand, yeah, it definitely would have been nice to have been born earlier in the 20th century and die blissfully ignorant of the world today.

That said, now that the toothpaste is out of the tube, so to speak, I say bring it on. Let's rip the band-aid off, learn some answers, and let the chips fall where they may. It could be terrifying, sure, but it could also be liberating and eventually even enlightening in ways we can't comprehend. Personally, I'm excited. At this point, I'm mentally prepared for whatever the answers might be, no matter how "bad," but more than anything I'm just in awe that we might very well be the first humans in history to have this particular unknown answered.

Between that, the rapid evolution of A.I., and de-aging increasingly making news/potentially becoming a very real thing within a couple of decades (if not sooner), I think our lives are eventually going to be very, very different from what they are now, to the point where we might very well not only see more change/technological advancements than any generation in history, but have perspective and understanding of our place in the universe unlike any other generation prior as well. And I'd take that over blissful ignorance any day of the week.

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Good post

What's this de-aging you speak of

Scientists have reached a key milestone in learning how to reverse aging https://t.co/8pXUHQKzfD

— TIME (@TIME) January 14, 2023

Lab experiments on mice show that aging is a reversible process. The key question: Can people do the same thing? https://t.co/SRnwQgxFVP pic.twitter.com/XkW4lD3Qa8

— CNN (@CNN) January 16, 2023

Delighted to share with you our latest paper. Here, we test the hypothesis that aging may be driven by DNA damage-induced changes to the epigenome. Mightbe due to a glitch in the software of the body that causes it to malfunction, which can be fixed with a reboot?👇 1/ pic.twitter.com/HYmIbidO1v

— David Sinclair (@davidasinclair) January 12, 2023

Just an FYI, David Sinclair is considered a huckster by most individuals with expertise in the field.

Here is a good Twitter thread that explains why most don't take him seriously.

in 1997 David was a postdoc with Lenny Guarente & published a very nice paper showing that SIR2 extends the number of times a yeast mother cell can produce daughter cells by controlling formation of ribosomal DNA circles https://t.co/XRwB3LLr9q https://t.co/RDgrJEDzUZ

— Charles Brenner, PhD (@CharlesMBrenner) February 13, 2022

Charles Hickson Knows said:

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AliasMan02 said:

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Charles Hickson Knows said:

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Your thoughts on the current controlled extraterrestrial reality disclosure process and related US GOV cover-up?
When the nervous contagious giggling subsides, how will our civilization adapt to this publicly known reality?

What might be some of the potential implications of disclosure of this reality? New energy sources perhaps? Religions? History?

Do we really want to know the full truth?

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All of history would be reevaluated as people looked for signs of encounters in the past. And religion as we know it would cease to exist... it wouldn't go away, but all theologies would have to fundamentally change to either accept or explain away the new data.

I mean... I'm not 100% sure any of us actually exists to begin with, so I could handle the new reality without much headache, I think. It might get me to watch the news again.

Slow release of the info we have seems to be the strategy. Slowly acclimating people.

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Do you think the fear of societal collapse due to the revealing of the truth of et involvement in the development of the major religions might cause the gate-keepers of the reality to intensely try to cover it up? Or is the cover-up justified by something else?

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I don't think it's fear of societal collapse in the traditional sense. Humanity is increasingly coming around on the idea that we're not alone in the universe, and even the notion that there might very well be non-human intelligence here now, monitoring us in some form or fashion.

What the powers-that-be *do* seem to fear, however, is how society will react to them should such a revelation be made public. Meaning, the number one priority of the military/defense, above all, is the safety of the American people. And if Pentagon came out tomorrow and was basically like, "So, these objects that are flying around our skies, defying all known laws of physics? Yeah, they're absolutely controlled by a non-human intelligence, except we have no idea who they are, and we have no hope of defending against them" the powers-that-be suddenly no longer control the narrative, and society suddenly loses confidence in the one thing the military is designed to do... protect its citizens.

Again, I don't think our government has actually had formal contact with aliens. I think they know A LOT more than they're letting on, and they might very well even have off-world debris/materials in their possession, according to a number of credible scientists and government personal. But all indications point to those materials being so advanced that we've gotten next to nowhere on understanding them, much less reverse engineering them, and we probably only have vague ideas about where these craft come from.

So, in short, it's not fear of humanity reacting to the reality that aliens exist, rather it's fear of how humanity will react to our government not being able to defend against them. Even though, so far, they've shown no blatant signs of aggression.

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Just an FYI, David Sinclair is considered a huckster by most individuals with expertise in the field.

Here is a good Twitter thread that explains why most don't take him seriously.

in 1997 David was a postdoc with Lenny Guarente & published a very nice paper showing that SIR2 extends the number of times a yeast mother cell can produce daughter cells by controlling formation of ribosomal DNA circles https://t.co/XRwB3LLr9q https://t.co/RDgrJEDzUZ

— Charles Brenner, PhD (@CharlesMBrenner) February 13, 2022

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Admittedly, I can't pretend to understand even half of the science being discussed in that thread. That said, Sinclair and his team *have* figured out how to de-age mice. They did it. It's done. Which seems like something a step or two removed from what Brenner is discussing in that thread?

Regardless, the de-aging science may not ultimately translate to humans, and I have no doubt that there's legit skepticism from experts in the field. That said, I've also noticed a number of experts *backing* Sinclair's claims, or at least not outright dismissing them. That, and his findings continue to be published in what at least appear to me to be highly reputable scientific journals, magazines, etc.

I guess my questions are, if he's truly a huckster, how is he still employed/backed by Harvard, how is he getting so much legitimate press, why isn't he being "outed" more forcefully, and how did he and his team crack the code to legitimately de-aging mice? I'm not asking as to be flippant, I'm legitimately curious, as a layman, how someone could fit all those criteria yet also apparently be considered a huckster by "most" experts in his field?

According to one "claimed" peer review failure?

Look, I'm not going to argue with you on this because I'm admittedly out of my league here. But after doing a bit of research, it seems that both Brenner and Sinclair each have their supporters and their detractors. A lot of what Brenner is claiming of Sinclair is also being claimed of Brenner. It appears *he's* been wrong a number of times in the past and hasn't copped to *his* mistakes, same as he's claiming of Sinclair. And just like a certain contingent is claiming Sinclair is hawking bad science, another contingent is claiming Brenner is hawking unproven supplements, is known for unfairly disparaging other scientists, picks fights he's later proven wrong on, etc.

In other words, I don't know who or what to believe. All I know is that like everything else in our society today, everyone has their own, personal "facts" and agendas. So I'll take Sinclair's claims with a grain of salt, but I'm also going to do the same of Brenner.

That, and it was an off-handed comment I made at the end of a lengthy post, about something I'm not really that passionate about. If de-aging proves to be a pipe dream, fine, as it's ultimately beside my larger point with that post.

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"I'm not going to argue", proceeds to argue.

While Brenner undoubtedly has a conflict of interest given his development of Tru Niagen, and disagree with him regarding its supplementation without well-powered RCTs demonstrating patient-centered benefits, his takedown of Sinclair's paper and his issues with Sinclair's research and public persona are spot on.

There is also a world of difference between claiming a supplement might potentially aid in decreasing metabolic stress to the NAD cycle and proclaiming you have found the cure for aging.

I'll err on the side of the less fantastical. Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.

Now, back to aliens.

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What is your problem? I said I was done arguing about whether Sinclair's claims were legit or not, acknowledging that the whole thing was out of my league. Then everything after that was me essentially saying "I don't know what to believe, because all these guys seem to have their own agendas," which you literally just admitted to. I wasn't "arguing" anything. AGAIN, this started as an off-handed comment that for whatever reason you felt the need to make into a thing. I then asked a couple of questions because, to a layman such as myself, it came across as confusing, and all I get in return is being talked down to by yet another know-it-all doctor on TexAgs.

You're really reaching there, buddy.

Sure, I have a problem with the concept of an all-knowing, all-powerful god who forces billions of souls into existence, against their will, knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that the vast majority of them will end up in hell, without any ability to undo their existence, and thus their eternal suffering, when they didn't ask to be born or play the game of life in the first place. A god with conditional love, who attaches an eternal "or else" to that love, is a selfish, sadistic god I want nothing to do with.

Generally speaking, though, I have zero problem with people congregating with the aim of praising/humbling themselves before a higher power. I very much enjoyed the communal/social aspects of church growing up, and I don't at all begrudge "religion" in the way you're claiming.

Regardless, none of that has anything to do with following *potential* tech and health trends, and entertaining the *possibility* of a future in which we *might* benefit from those tech and health trends, while also having a better understanding of our place in the universe, contextually speaking, should we *perhaps* learn that we're not alone in the universe.

Honestly, I don't even understand how you can connect those two thoughts.

I don't define my happiness, self-worth, well-being, state-of-mind, future, etc on whether aliens are real or not, if that's what you're getting at. Like, what are you even talking about? I'm looking to the skies for answers? If you mean answers to the question "Are we alone in the universe?" then… yeah? Where else would I look? Otherwise, it's a curiosity and a subject I'm interested in, but nothing more. In no way do I define myself by it or pin my hopes and dreams on any particular outcome. Would it be cool to be part of the generation who finally learns that there's other intelligent life out there? No doubt. But if we don't it's no skin off my back. I have a great life, great friends, and a great family. It's just fun to wonder and keep tabs on the mystery of it all.

HERE IS YOUR PROOF!

Y'all be nice or else