I do not think dildos create lift, and therefore are not "flying".

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I never said it did. The footage would *obviously* have to be way better than that. The compelling aspect of the NYT/60 Minutes stuff is the pilot testimony that goes along with it, adding context to what we're seeing. They're the ones saying these object broke the laws of physics. I'm saying it's going to take crystal clear footage + pilot testimony + radar and satellite data to truly make a dent toward disclosure.

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It may not have been you, but there were people saying that those videos showed impossible maneuvers. It may have even been the pilots themselves, I forget. But somebody familiar with how TFLIR works can see that it was merely the TFLIR losing point track. And if the pilots (or whoever) are claiming that video confirms claims of impossible maneuvers then that makes me doubt their testimony. In fact, if I remember right, the range to target was too far for human eyes to see. So those particular pilots might have been looking at the TFLIR like everybody else and making the same misjudgement. In hindsight, I suspect that is what happened in those cases.

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Every debunker of those videos has either been proven false, or hardly has a leg to stand on. So far it's all a bunch of amateur skeptics grasping at straws to meet an agenda. They're the furthest things from scientists in pursuit of truth, whatever the truth might be. They're people with a vested interest in *playing* the debunker/skeptic, no matter the evidence, and making sure their claims result in an earthly explanation.

While, conversely, nearly every single credible military pilot and personnel with TFLIR tech experience either backs up the Nimitz pilots' claims, or refuses to rule out exotic/alien technology being recorded in those videos. Never mind the fact that MULTIPLE pilots all report seeing the EXACT same thing with their own eyes, in addition to MULTIPLE radar technicians who have come forward to confirm the velocities and maneuverabilities of the objects being seen. Hell, again, the Pentagon itself confirmed that the objects in the videos are real/did what the pilots said they did. So, did all of these people have a shared hallucination? Including the radar technicians on the ships? Did they all conspire to make all this sh*t up? Because either of those scenarios are just as unbelievable. I will never understand why it's so easy for some people to dismiss witness testimony in these instances, especially when it's coming from literal Top Gun pilots who have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming forward.

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I literally worked on TFLIR for 7 years and have written code for it. I know more about the algorithms they use then every pilot in the NAVY. I'm telling you, the videos on question does NOT show what people claim they show. And I have never seen any hard evidence of radar tracks or anything that corroborate it. I've only seen claims that they exist somewhere.

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I'm sorry, but you've proven yourself to be THE most unreliable contrarian I've ever encountered on this board, one who, for years, has literally claimed to be an expert in whatever subject is being discussed, across countless threads/subjects. You've had so many different jobs, and are an expert in so many different fields, that it's a miracle you have so much time to waste arguing, endlessly, with us plebes, all day every day.

I think I'm going to listen to the true experts on this one, including and especially the people who were actually there. I'm legit laughing out loud that we've reached the point where you're now claiming to know more than actual Top Gun pilots and Defense officials, who have vetted this sh*t every which way.

Seriously, dude, do you have any shame whatsoever?

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aTmAg said:

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TCTTS said:

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aTmAg said:

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I never said it did. The footage would *obviously* have to be way better than that. The compelling aspect of the NYT/60 Minutes stuff is the pilot testimony that goes along with it, adding context to what we're seeing. They're the ones saying these object broke the laws of physics. I'm saying it's going to take crystal clear footage + pilot testimony + radar and satellite data to truly make a dent toward disclosure.

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It may not have been you, but there were people saying that those videos showed impossible maneuvers. It may have even been the pilots themselves, I forget. But somebody familiar with how TFLIR works can see that it was merely the TFLIR losing point track. And if the pilots (or whoever) are claiming that video confirms claims of impossible maneuvers then that makes me doubt their testimony. In fact, if I remember right, the range to target was too far for human eyes to see. So those particular pilots might have been looking at the TFLIR like everybody else and making the same misjudgement. In hindsight, I suspect that is what happened in those cases.

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Every debunker of those videos has either been proven false, or hardly has a leg to stand on. So far it's all a bunch of amateur skeptics grasping at straws to meet an agenda. They're the furthest things from scientists in pursuit of truth, whatever the truth might be. They're people with a vested interest in *playing* the debunker/skeptic, no matter the evidence, and making sure their claims result in an earthly explanation.

While, conversely, nearly every single credible military pilot and personnel with TFLIR tech experience either backs up the Nimitz pilots' claims, or refuses to rule out exotic/alien technology being recorded in those videos. Never mind the fact that MULTIPLE pilots all report seeing the EXACT same thing with their own eyes, in addition to MULTIPLE radar technicians who have come forward to confirm the velocities and maneuverabilities of the objects being seen. Hell, again, the Pentagon itself confirmed that the objects in the videos are real/did what the pilots said they did. So, did all of these people have a shared hallucination? Including the radar technicians on the ships? Did they all conspire to make all this sh*t up? Because either of those scenarios are just as unbelievable. I will never understand why it's so easy for some people to dismiss witness testimony in these instances, especially when it's coming from literal Top Gun pilots who have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming forward.

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I literally worked on TFLIR for 7 years and have written code for it. I know more about the algorithms they use then every pilot in the NAVY. I'm telling you, the videos on question does NOT show what people claim they show. And I have never seen any hard evidence of radar tracks or anything that corroborate it. I've only seen claims that they exist somewhere.

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I'm sorry, but you've proven yourself to be THE most unreliable contrarian I've ever encountered on this board, one who, for years, has literally claimed to be an expert in whatever subject is being discussed, across countless threads/subjects. You've had so many different jobs, and are an expert in so many different fields, that it's a miracle you have so much time to waste arguing, endlessly, with us plebes, all day every day.

I think I'm going to listen to the true experts on this one, including and especially the people who were actually there. I'm legit laughing out loud that we've reached the point where you're now claiming to know more than actual Top Gun pilots and Defense officials, who have vetted this sh*t every which way.

Seriously, dude, do you have shame whatsoever?

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This whole board knows where I work. How can you seriously deny it? In that other thread I literally explained what every indicator in the TFLIR meant. I explained the difference between point track and slave mode. Military aircraft avionics and simulation has literally been my professional expertise for 25 years

My other area of expertise, economics, has been as an amateur. I just read a lot about it. What else have I claimed expertise in?

I know you don't like to hear anything that implies that UFOs aren't aliens, but I'm telling you, don't hang your hat on those TFLIR videos or on anybody else who hangs their hat on them. They are a nothing burger.

This thread has certainly lived up to the "Entertainment" title it bears.

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Spyderman - I appreciate the passion. I do. But dude, I've said this before and I'll probably say it again… you're doing this subject no favors. For whatever reason, you refuse to engage people like a normal human being, to the point where every single one of your posts sound like a bot. Honestly, I'm not convinced you aren't one. But if you are human, at least *try* to act like one, and learn to read the room.

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My main goal is simply bring water to the horses. Engagement more times than not never ends well. We both know that I think, especially given a subject as disruptive/troubling as this one. It's a highly volatile subject, but one we all need to confront. Some will carry on as usual; other not so much. It's the latter that the info is being disseminated. Sorry, but that's the way it's going to be in most cases. This topic is much bigger than you or I, favors or not. Simply trying to initiate a little cerebral activity on something that transcends anything you can think of. Often times the videos etc. are quite successful at that. At least that is the intent.

This is all a simulation and they are a part of the system. That sounds more realistic than aliens.

I could think of even more examples, but aliens would have to be at the very bottom of a long list…

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There is absolutely, undeniably craft being witnessed on our planet that are not only capable of defying the laws of physics as we know them, but are transmedium in nature, meaning a single craft capable of traversing water, air and space, often times witnessed traversing all three in a matter of seconds. This, according to testimony and interviews, on the record, over the past five years, from myriad Navy pilots, radar personnel, Department of Defense officials, Senators, members of Congress, the Pentagon itself, and a number of highly credible scientists (the two videos below are just the tip of that iceberg, but a good place to start).

Given that reality, these craft either belong to…

-The Russians
-The Chinese
-The United States
-A non-human intelligence (i.e. "aliens")

Considering state of the Ukraine war, and how incompetent Russia has proven over the past year, I think we can pretty easily rule them out. Sure, it could be China, but then you'd have to ask yourself why they haven't already taken over the world with this technology, never mind the fact that most in-the-know-types are dismissing them for a number of other reasons as well. The next logical step would then be to assume this phenomenon is coming from our own, deepest, darkest black programs, but toying with our own military, messing with our own nuclear installations, and causing our own Congress to panic, seems incredibly suspect and nonsensical. Especially when A) we have all kinds of restricted airspace to test such theoretical technology, and B) pilots have reported seeing these same kind of craft since WWII.

So, that basically leaves a non-human intelligence, be them extra-terrestrials, ultra-terrestrials, or from another dimension/frequency of existence altogether. All I'm going to say is that the phenomenon is real, and that it's no longer a matter of belief. It's simply a matter of being informed or not as to what is going on. Whether it's aliens or not is the question (though that's obviously where I lean).

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aggiephoenix02 said:

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I'm not angry about any of this at all, on the contrary, I find this extremely interesting and stimulating conversation.

Aliens visiting us just seems so incredibly far fetched. It's as much science fiction to me as magic and fantasy…

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But our understanding of science supports something like aliens over other alternatives. It's certainly more likely by orders of magnitude than magic.

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Inter-dimensional beings, or intelligent lifeforms that we share this earth with, but have never officially revealed themselves to us, sound LESS ridiculous to you than "aliens"? When we're almost certain that, with enough energy, it's possible to bend spacetime and traverse the stars relatively "easily"?

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Okay, I get it.

But now look at it from my perspective for just a second: I find it equally hilarious that so many people jump straight to, "IT'S ALIENS!"

"IT'S ALIENS! IT'S ALIENS!"

It sounds silly to me, and you ridiculing me doesn't make it sound any less silly to me…

Just so long as you understand that "it sounds silly to me" is not rational in any way...