Agristotle said:

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I've heard versions of it over the years, it's not new.

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I've heard it since the 90s. Yet every time I have asked for any sort of evidence, I get none.

It's hard to imagine what kind of evidence there could be for that story. Like so many things on this topic, it's never going to be proven

Agristotle said:

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It's hard to imagine what kind of evidence there could be for that story. Like so many things on this topic, it's never going to be proven

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How about the supposed aids come out and confirm it? Or somebody there put their actual name behind this claim so that they can be interviewed and fact checked?

Could have been his Chief of Staff Hamilton Jordan. We should ask him about it, except he died 15 years ago

Agristotle said:

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Could have been his Chief of Staff Hamilton Jordan. We should ask him about it, except he died 15 years ago

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Well, then I guess it's a non-confirmed story that shouldn't be spread like it's gospel then.

aTmAg said:

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Agristotle said:

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Could have been his Chief of Staff Hamilton Jordan. We should ask him about it, except he died 15 years ago

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Well, then I guess it's a non-confirmed story that shouldn't be spread like it's gospel then.

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No fun stories allowed on this thread! It's serious!

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sounds on this thread talking about gospel and solid evidence? This is an entertainment board thread about UFOs, nothing should be out of bounds…

It would be fascinating if true, and I very much believe it could be true.

Something to keep in mind, animals in general, especially humans (it's been studied), see faces and eyes in abstract textures, surface, everywhere really. It's hardwired into our brain. So I could also see this as being a hardwired brain type of thing, where when people go into a certain state or trance the images their brain makes is pattern related to seeing things as eyes and facial features…

aggiephoenix02 said:

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It would be fascinating if true, and I very much believe it could be true.

Something to keep in mind, animals in general, especially humans (it's been studied), see faces and eyes in abstract textures, surface, everywhere really. It's hardwired into our brain. So I could also see this as being a hardwired brain type of thing, where when people go into a certain state or trance the images their brain makes is pattern related to seeing things as eyes and facial features…

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Probably for the vast majority of cases. I've never taken psychedelic drugs or experienced such a thing, so I couldn't say. Nor can I say if there's any connection between the astral plane and what users of psychedelic drugs claim to see, including machine elves, which - for the record, have been reported to speak and converse with people. It's more than just seeing a face or eyes. But again, no personal experience with that.

I probably fall into this camp because I've lucid dreamed, and I've taken psychedelics, and they are two completely different things.

I definitely don't know, but it sure is interesting…

Edit: For clarification, I haven't seen the astral plane except for one possible time, and that was on psychedelics when I was invited to a Native American church ceremony and ingested a rather large amount of peyote. But even then, I still believe it was just a function of my brain, and not another another dimension or plane. If anything, just a simplified version of the one we are already in…

Ok I've read this whole thread and have a few random things to say.

1. I don't think "aliens" are real.

2. I kinda hope they are real though.

3. I definitely think it's possible that they are real (see #6).

4. I'm not really passionate about any such issues but do find it very interesting and enjoy a good conversation and have enjoyed the news stories in recent years that make very interesting things seem possible.

5. A big reason I don't think "aliens" are real is because of my Christian faith. If I didn't believe in that, I would likely be a big alien believer.

6. I have seen two different UFOs in my life and I am 100% convinced, 100% sure, that both of them were objects that can not be explained by anything that is publicly known to us. Beyond that, I have no idea what they were, but I would testify with my hand on a Bible that I have seen, on two different occasions years apart, things that can not be explained by anything other than either extraterrestrial origins or secret government technology that can make incredibly large things appear and disappear on command. The latter is more likely than the former I suppose, but I remain open-minded on the issue.

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Ok I've read this whole thread and have a few random things to say.

1. I don't think "aliens" are real.

2. I kinda hope they are real though.

3. I definitely think it's possible that they are real (see #6).

4. I'm not really passionate about any such issues but do find it very interesting and enjoy a good conversation and have enjoyed the news stories in recent years that make very interesting things seem possible.

5. A big reason I don't think "aliens" are real is because of my Christian faith. If I didn't believe in that, I would likely be a big alien believer.

6. I have seen two different UFOs in my life and I am 100% convinced, 100% sure, that both of them were objects that can not be explained by anything that is publicly known to us. Beyond that, I have no idea what they were, but I would testify with my hand on a Bible that I have seen, on two different occasions years apart, things that can not be explained by anything other than either extraterrestrial origins or secret government technology that can make incredibly large things appear and disappear on command. The latter is more likely than the former I suppose, but I remain open-minded on the issue.

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Your Christian faith is what's keeping you from believing in aliens, yet you would *swear on the Bible* that you've seen two alien craft???

Seriously, though, if you believe in a Christian god, and thus believe that he created all things, why does that preclude him from creating other life in an infinite, ever-expanding universe? Especially if you believe in angels and demons, which a number of Christians think could very well be behind UFOs, abductions, etc.

What's insane is that Tom DeLonge is literally one of the primary reasons for the soft disclosure and rapid change in attitude from the military toward this subject over the past six years. Without him, the 2017 New York Times article never would have happened, and Congress wouldn't be demanding answers, having private hearing after private hearing, interviewing all these pilots and military personnel, etc.

And where do we stand 5+ years later?

For starters, our government wouldn't dare discuss the notion of aliens for 70+ years. It was as taboo as it gets. Now? The pentagon has literally admitted there are objects in our skies that we/they can't identify, and have confirmed that the two NY Times videos from 2017 are real (as in, they feature authentic, unidentified craft). That, and as I just alluded to, DeLonge & co helped past legislation that now allows for official channels by which military pilots and personal can come forward to give their witness testimony, which is something that is happening on what sounds like a monthly basis now. These people were either laughed out of the room prior, if not shamed into silence. A stigma has absolutely been lifted in the last 5+ years, and hell, we NEVER would have seen a statement like this from a US Senator, which Rubio made just two days ago. He's one of the Senators with access to all the closed door testimony, and whatever he's hearing/seeing has him absolutely convinced...

Advanced objects demonstrating advanced technology are routinely flying over our restricted or sensitive airspace posing a risk to both flight safety & national security https://t.co/4bXEHuuaq0

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) February 28, 2023

TCTTS said:

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For starters, our government wouldn't dare discuss the notion of aliens for 70+ years. It was as taboo as it gets. Now? The pentagon has literally admitted there are objects in our skies that we/they can't identify, and have confirmed that the two NY Times videos from 2017 are real (as in, they feature authentic, unidentified craft). That, and as I just alluded to, DeLonge & co helped past legislation that now allows for official channels by which military pilots and personal can come forward to give their witness testimony, which is something that is happening on what sounds like a monthly basis now. These people were either laughed out of the room prior, if not shamed into silence. A stigma has absolutely been lifted in the last 5+ years, and hell, we NEVER would have seen a statement like this from a US Senator, which Rubio made just two days ago. He's one of the Senators with access to all the closed door testimony, and whatever he's hearing/seeing has him absolutely convinced...

Advanced objects demonstrating advanced technology are routinely flying over our restricted or sensitive airspace posing a risk to both flight safety & national security https://t.co/4bXEHuuaq0

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) February 28, 2023

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Ok, great. That's all that we have since 2017? Where are the aliens?

As much of a trainwreck as this thread is, I did see something one night going back to BCS from Houston and it freaked me the **** out. I told a few people and they all thought I was making it up, so I tell it sparingly but will return with more details this evening.

No one owes you proof or an explanation, on whatever arbitrary timeline you're operating. It's simply fun to discuss, and if you want to continue ignoring the growing circumstantial evidence/testimony, go right ahead. Either way, again, 70+ years of silence and stigma isn't going to be undone in a year or even five years. IF there's something to disclose, it's going to take a monumental leak, sighting, or some kind of blow-the-doors-off testimony to force disclosure, because there's a reason disclosure has (potentially) lasted 7+ decades in the first place, and/or there's a reason this intelligence/technology isn't officially revealing itself.

You need to listen to the recent bret weinstein joe Rogan podcast

Oh, I have already. (Also, it's Eric, not Bret.)

I'm not opposed to discussion. My point is that we are at the same place today as we were in 2017, with maybe the exception of billions more dollars pushed into research or something. Everything is, as you say, completely circumstantial.

I have no idea how that messed up so bad. I typed joe like 5 times to fix the typo fixed but missed my swore error there wtf. Pretty sure my wrist is broken and waiting for the dr so ill blame that.

I like the India theory.

Circumstantial evidence is admissible in court, same as it's "admissible" here, especially considering the caliber and credibility of those discussing the evidence, who would never, ever have come forward and said what they're saying now, in public, prior to 2017. When high ranking government official after high ranking government official confirms the phenomenon, on the record, based on the satellite and radar data they're seeing, and based on/corroborated by the highly credible testimony of myriad military pilots and personnel, that circumstantial evidence absolutely counts for something, and is, undeniably, a massive leap forward from how this subject was treated prior to 2017.

Either mass psychosis is sweeping through our defense program, that is somehow influencing satellite and radar data as well (which should scare the hell out of us more than aliens, frankly) - or - these craft are operated by actual, intelligent beings, be them foreign adversaries or non-human intelligence. And seeing as the former is becoming increasingly suspect, we may only be left with the latter.

Your handle begs the clear, red line you're after, but it's a slow, slow march toward that line. The past five years years have turned that march into a jog, eventually it'll be a run, and *then* we might finally get what you're after. But it was never going to happen with the snap of a finger.

Sea Speed said:

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I have no idea how that messed up so bad. I typed joe like 5 times to fix the typo fixed but missed my swore error there wtf. Pretty sure my wrist is broken and waiting for the dr so ill blame that.

I like the India theory.

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Aliens!

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watty said:

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6. I have seen two different UFOs in my life and I am 100% convinced, 100% sure, that both of them were objects that can not be explained by anything that is publicly known to us. Beyond that, I have no idea what they were, but I would testify with my hand on a Bible that I have seen, on two different occasions years apart, things that can not be explained by anything other than either extraterrestrial origins or secret government technology that can make incredibly large things appear and disappear on command. The latter is more likely than the former I suppose, but I remain open-minded on the issue.

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Bro...you really just going to drop this here and run?

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It's just that I don't know what they were, and I think it's most likely something man-made. But like I said, I'm open-minded on it. I hope it's aliens.

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watty said:

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Ok I've read this whole thread and have a few random things to say.

1. I don't think "aliens" are real.

2. I kinda hope they are real though.

3. I definitely think it's possible that they are real (see #6).

4. I'm not really passionate about any such issues but do find it very interesting and enjoy a good conversation and have enjoyed the news stories in recent years that make very interesting things seem possible.

5. A big reason I don't think "aliens" are real is because of my Christian faith. If I didn't believe in that, I would likely be a big alien believer.

6. I have seen two different UFOs in my life and I am 100% convinced, 100% sure, that both of them were objects that can not be explained by anything that is publicly known to us. Beyond that, I have no idea what they were, but I would testify with my hand on a Bible that I have seen, on two different occasions years apart, things that can not be explained by anything other than either extraterrestrial origins or secret government technology that can make incredibly large things appear and disappear on command. The latter is more likely than the former I suppose, but I remain open-minded on the issue.

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Your Christian faith is what's keeping you from believing in aliens, yet you would *swear on the Bible* that you've seen two alien craft???

Seriously, though, if you believe in a Christian god, and thus believe that he created all things, why does that preclude him from creating other life in an infinite, ever-expanding universe? Especially if you believe in angels and demons, which a number of Christians think could very well be behind UFOs, abductions, etc.

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I didn't say that I'm swearing that I saw two "alien craft,' I said I saw two things that can't be explained by anything that is publicly known to us. So that would mean that what I saw was either an alien being, or a man-made thing that the general population isn't privy to. I think that the man-made explanation is more likely than the alien explanation. But again, I think it would be more fun and exciting if it were really from aliens. I'm open to it being aliens if the proof comes out.

As for the second part, I don't want to derail the thread on religion. I just think the story of creation and Jesus entering into it as a human is a very personal story, and I think it only makes sense if we humans are the only beings that He specifically created, in the universe that He created, that can have souls, spirits, consciousness, thought, etc. So I think that there are either an infinite number of possible civilizations in the universe, or there is just one. And I think one makes more sense from a Biblical Christianity standpoint.

But its' not like I'm saying "I'M RIGHT AND HERE'S WHY!" I'm just saying I've seen some stuff that I can't explain, it's possible it's aliens, but I don't personally think it is. But if it turns out aliens are the answer, I'll be like, "well, ok that explains some things. Awesome."

Would you mind sharing your experiences on this thread? I am very interested to hear.

I'm a Christian too, and I definitely understand your perspective. I won't waste your time giving you a long essay about why this kind of stuff CAN still happen within the framework of Christian faith. So instead of an essay I'll mention just a few things: God created the heavens and the earth in "7 days" - surely we know those 7 days are not 24 hour "days" we as humans perceive, right?

What happened in the 6 days before God created humans? Well, we're told, but very quickly and in passing. Also - reread Ezekiel if it's been awhile.

The latest episode, episode five, of UFOs, investigating the unknown by national geographic, was really well done. I don't think I had seen the video of the UAP going underwater without a splash, re-emerging, and then splitting in two.