I enjoy the debate and the process of trying to explain things with reasons other than aliens or supernatural. I do think there is a lot of "gun jumping," not necessarily by posters here, but by some of the tweets that are shared.

Amazing that the current known laws of gravity have been broken multiple times according to:
- a lot of highly credentialed military personnel
- video

So SOMETHING serious is happening, isn't it?

Second, and related, Christians are obligated to believe in the supernatural (God) and the preternatural (faithful entities and fallen entities, as satans or accusers and angels or messengers describe functions)….
AND that the above CAN AND DO ENTER THE PHYSICAL

Therefore, most lurkers and posters believe in the extraterrestrial

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Why some of you choose to read/participate in this thread, I will never know.

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Probably cause we keep hoping with every update we'll get more than "disclosure is coming soon" or "I have it on good authority that Jim talked to an anonymous source and they spoke with officials that have seen all the evidence but we can't say what it is….yet. However, I should mention I have a book for sale that discloses everything. To see the link, subscribe to my YouTube account and there are details there where I'm signing copies for $50."

Granted, Elizondo isn't that guy, but still.

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I hear you.

To be fair, though, I've never once seen one of the more legitimate voices attempt to blatantly monetize the info they provide, and I wouldn't post them here if they did. Yes, every so often there's a book to be sold, and these guys no doubt want to broaden their reach via YouTube/podcast subscriptions, but none of them are getting rich off this, and only a couple of them actually make a living from it.

That and, broadly speaking, the legit voices have mostly all delivered. Spring 2023 a number of them said summer 2023 was going to be big, which turned out to be true. Now those same voices are saying 2024 will be big as well, and with nearly 10 months remaining in the year I have no reason yet to doubt them.

That said, I do agree that all the teasing of future events ultimately does more harm than good.

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Why some of you choose to read/participate in this thread, I will never know.

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For the same reason that you used to read the Qanon thread on F16. For some reason it's entertaining watching posters try to rationalize the irrational.

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Except you couldn't pay me to actually comment/participate in the Q thread.

That, and the whole Q phenomena was a clearly fraudulent effort from the jump, to anyone with half a brain. No one with an iota of intelligence took any of that sh*t remotely serious because of how outlandish and provably false it all was.

Here? There are at least numerous reputable government officials, pilots, scientists and the like lending plenty of credibility to this brand of "irrational."

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I just finished the recent episode of Rogan with David Grusch. Halfway through I found myself thinking this guy was full of ***** By the end i came to the conclusion he is most likely just telling stories and likes the attention. At best, he's being fed disinformation to hide DOD experimental tech.

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Ha, I literally felt the exact opposite. So do the ICIG and a number of congressman, senators, scientists, pilots, etc.

I try not to be a dick for the purpose of being a dick, and Elizondo is a different animal compared to some of these guys. I'm a skeptic, but I want to keep an open mind. I check this thread not for laughs, but because i am genuinely curious. I just get a little worn out with what seems like people posting on twitter to make sure they aren't forgotten, or that the topic isn't forgotten. It seems like nearly all of their posts ("they" being UFO twitter) are not news, but the promise of news.

Anyway, wasn't intending to be pithy or sarcastic, but I wasn't not trying to be pithy or sarcastic. I appreciate the thread and will keep reading and try to keep comments that don't contribute off the board.

No worries at all and I totally get where you're coming from. I should also probably do my part to refrain from posting said tweets, though I do mostly try to at least post the "promise of news" from only those who have delivered in the past. Still, I do get how even those tweets can lead to false expectations and overall exhaustion.

It strikes at the heart of who we truly are.

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Amazing that the current known laws of gravity have been broken multiple times according to:
- a lot of highly credentialed military personnel
- video

So SOMETHING serious is happening, isn't it?

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What video?

UFO briefing: Pentagon hand-picking media | Vargas Reports

In my mind, I feel like I've made it apparent in this thread that...

A) We still have the rest of the year before people can truly start calling bullsh*t on the promise of more news/whistleblowers to come.

B) Even if/when new whistleblowers come forward, concrete "proof" likely isn't right around the corner.

That said, it seems I need to communicate both messages more effectively.

But the way I see it, it's not only going to take more whistleblowers coming forward to truly move the ball down the field, at least one if not more of those whistleblowers is going to have to be an actual, first-hand witness to NHI bodies/tech, and a highly credible one at that. Either way, I seriously doubt this next wave - if it comes - brings actual, concrete proof to the table, because any proof of that nature is obviously beyond classified, and would thus result in prosecution if revealed, something no one is going to want to risk, with their name attached to it.

So, if I had to guess, it's going to first take another wave of claims on the credibility level of Grusch and above (i.e. a highly credible first-hand witness or two) to really put a dent in things, to where their claims, likely in another big hearing or two, are making CNN, FOX News and the like in a relatively big way. And then, in the months following that wave, MAYBE it all snowballs to the point where THAT was enough to cause some kind of illegal, yet tangible/undeniable leak - aka "proof" - be it images/videos of bodies or scientists working on craft, etc, that come with some sort of authenticator/stamp of approval. To the point where the gate-keepers are forced to finally admit we're not alone.

In other words, we're talking 2025 at the absolute earliest, which is the best case scenario some of us have been saying for quite a while time now. And even then, that's only if it plays out as "smoothly" as outlined above, which it likely won't.

It should also be clear to everyone as to just how INTENSE the opposition is to revealing the truth on the subject is from certain factions. If it isn't, it will be. And has been since even before the vehicle "crashes" in New Mexico in 1947.

I would do it {study UFOs}, but before agreeing to do it, we must insist upon full access to discs recovered. For instance in the L.A. case, the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."

Hoover, Edgar, J. Letter to Clyde Tolson, July 15, 1947

Hoover writing a letter here about a week after the vehicle crashes in early July that summer. The L.A. case mentioned is most likely the Los Angeles event that occurred 5 years earlier in 1942.

1. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a43298283/ufos-defy-physics-pentagon-study/

2. Nimitz:
The objects accelerate / change direction so quickly no human pilot could survive the g-forces as they would be crushed. In the Nimitz incident, radar operators said they tracked as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound.

Black Aces squadron commander Fravor said many times its rapid side-to-side movements, also on infrared video, were like that of a ping-pong ball.

Radar operators of USS Princeton, part of Nimitz group, tracked the accelerating from standing position to over 3,600 mph, near instantly

Disclosure is not imminent. The intelligence community and military industrial complex are unaccountable and they hold the keys.

I hope I'm wrong.

Why not? Because you say so?

Also, what "keys" are you referring to?

Yes, if and when a potential NHI wants to disclose its existence, there's nothing our government will be able to do to stop it.

But as long as a potential NHI doesn't want to disclose its existence, our government will continue doing whatever they can to maintain the coverup on their end.

Otherwise, I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

All I know is that neither would be able to stop a group of rogue human whistleblowers/leakers who finally throw caution into the wind and are willing to go to jail for, say, uploading a series of smoking gun videos in combination with releasing some kind of corroborating documentation. The only thing that's kept that from happening so far isn't aliens, it's the fear of reprisal/incarceration/death from our own gate keepers.

people with sensitive information are informed in no uncertain terms that secrecy is a matter of national security and then are either threatened or bought off, or both. Threats are both specific and vague, to allow the imagination to run wild.

Carrot or stick still works, almost every time. The few that go rogue are discredited and ridiculed.

In 100% agreement.

What I'm talking about, though, is "the few that go rogue" finally, one way or another, doing so with some kind of irrefutable proof, to the point where they can't be discredited. As in a plethora of imagery, video, and corroborating documentation that would be next to impossible to fake, released by people whose credentials are as equally irrefutable.

I'm not saying it will ever happen, I'm simply saying that's one way the lid is finally blown off this thing.

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Because if we know about it so does Germany, Italy, England, Israel, Japan, Russia, China, etc.

Why would…say…Russia or China sit on their hands and wait for US disclosure? That doesn't make any sense to me.

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I wouldn't be surprised if only US, Russia, and China have anything substantive as they could have significant resources dedicated to tracking and retrieving downed UFO's. Then strong-arm the countries that do get there first. It's not like info only leaks from the US. There have been leaks from other countries, but at the end of the day it's going to take very significant proof for the public to actually believe. Proof that probably only the big-3 possess.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-extraterrestrials-exist-trump-knows-n1250333


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ufo-uap-manitoba-larry-maguire-defence-minister-1.6885580

The phaser cuts both ways. To claim the evidence shows there is no evidence, the evidence/data must be released. Not releasing the data tells me something is being hidden.

No science is ever done, and no claims or conclusions can be made if the raw data is behind a firewall…

— Garry P. Nolan (@GarryPNolan) March 7, 2024

Yet another potential motivator for the whistleblowers.

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Disclosure is not imminent. The intelligence community and military industrial complex are unaccountable and they hold the keys.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Disclosure may have already happened with Grusch. It happened in 1947 on some level, then got squelched. It's confirmation for many of us. You will have a difficult time with this perhaps, but there is some data suggesting that nhi themselves are involved in this process. I suspect that we are not the first to navigate these waters and they might know the best way to go about this. More accurately, there are factions of et just as there are factions of humans for and against a disclosure of sorts. Especially in the Pentagon. It's the evil, negative groups opposing this.

https://thedebrief.org/uap-incident-over-the-gulf-of-mexico-revealed-by-u-s-congressman-confirmed-in-newly-declassified-files-and-images/

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New details involving a military pilot UAP incident over the Gulf of Mexico revealed by a U.S. Representative last summer have come to light, following the release of documents in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.

The incident, first described by Congressman Matt Gaetz (R-FL) last year during a widely viewed Congressional hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena, reportedly occurred on January 26, 2023, during a test mission operated out of Eglin Air Force Base, Florida.

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Sometime after the events described in the summary, Gaetz was reportedly shown the image obtained by the pilot during a visit to Eglin Air Force Base.

"Several months ago, my office received a protected disclosure from Eglin Air Force Base indicating there was a UAP incident that required my attention," Gaetz later wrote in a post on X. Gaetz said that after learning of the incident, he requested a briefing on the situation and traveled to Eglin, accompanied during the visit by Reps. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL).

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"We were initially denied access to images, radar, and conversation with all members of the flight crew," Gaetz said. However, Gaetz was eventually allowed to review the photograph obtained by the pilot involved in the UAP encounter.
Gaetz said that he was the only one who was shown the UAP image at the time and that he had an opportunity to speak with the pilot, who told him the objects were observed on radar "flying in a diamond formation."
"The image was of a UAP that I am not able to attach to any human capability, from the United States or from any of our adversaries," Gaetz said of the image he was shown.

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We also have a UAP program and no one denies its existence. It's called AARO.

Now, is he claiming other governments have crash retrieval programs? If so, which countries have admitted to such?

Read or listen to Sekret Machines. Yes, Tom Delonge Sekret Machines.

What I also find concerning is the false conflation in some news coverage of the assertion “there is no recovered alien technology” with the notion that "we don’t have evidence of craft doing things beyond our present understanding of science and technology." As we know, hundreds…

— Christopher K. Mellon (@ChrisKMellon) March 8, 2024

Ross Coulthart has obtained the names and roles of members of AARO’s secret Advisory Committee that “pulled the strings” on today’s UFO report.

“They are the gatekeepers to this legacy program… People are so angry… they are now leaking.”#ufox #ufotwitter #ufo @rosscoulthart pic.twitter.com/NsjNHRsBuy

— UAP James (@UAPJames) March 8, 2024