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We also have a UAP program and no one denies its existence. It's called AARO.

Now, is he claiming other governments have crash retrieval programs? If so, which countries have admitted to such?

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AARO basically just said, "There's nothing to see here, there's zero evidence of aliens, and the officials, pilots, and whistleblowers saying otherwise are either gullible or full of sh*t." It's an insulting, ridiculously dismissive report, and one of the clearest efforts of obfuscation yet. Lue is simply saying, in response, "If there's nothing to any of this, then what are all these other countries investigating officially/on the record?"

The opposition is well trained, experienced and intense. They danced..now it's time to pay the fiddler.

Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter:
1st Director of the CIA (1947-1950)
"It is time for the truth to be brought out....Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officials are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense....I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers from secrecy about Unidentified Flying Objects."

(Please note the "dangers" that Hillenkoetter talks about are from SECRECY not from the UFOs.

BREAKING NEWS: It has been confirmed by multiple sources that David Grusch will be working for Congress. In his new position he will be able to guide Congress towards UAP/NHI public disclosure. The main reason that David Grusch became a whistleblower was to let the public know… https://t.co/dVfMpmROLs

— MikeDisclosure (@MikeDisclosure) March 9, 2024

After reading the @DoD_AARO report several times this is my current conclusion. #ufotwitter

1 - The report seems to actively reframe, discredit, or provide alternative contexts for specific claims in a way that could be seen as continuing an alleged "coverup" narrative

— Jon Majerowski (@JonMajerowski) March 8, 2024

The DOD/Pentagon is digging a really, really deep hole to fall into.

Many of you are asking for my reaction regarding the just released @DoD_AARO report. There is much to say. I want to think carefully before saying more. I am not unsympathetic to US National Security needs in this.

In February of 2023, @joerogan invited me for four hours onto… https://t.co/fJMXXj5JV1 pic.twitter.com/1X30DjCw6l

— Eric Weinstein (@EricRWeinstein) March 8, 2024

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Many of you are asking for my reaction regarding the just released
@DoD_AARO
report. There is much to say. I want to think carefully before saying more. I am not unsympathetic to US National Security needs in this.

In February of 2023,
@joerogan
invited me for four hours onto the world's largest English Language program (episode #1945) to describe in detail the mystery of potential US Government involvement in UFOs and Post-Einsteinian physics during the mysterious "Golden Age of General Relativity". It has been seen and discussed by millions as expected. I was thus eager to see how thorough this report would be by combing it for search strings raised in my research.

REFERENCES:

"Glenn L Martin Company": 0
Bryce Cecile DeWitt: 0
Institute for Field Physics: 0
Research Institute for Advanced Study: 0
Louis Witten: 0
Roger Babson: 0
Agnew Bahson: 0
Gravity Research Foundation: 0
Gravity: 1 (pg. 32)
Rennaisance Technologies: 0
UNC Chapel Hill: 0
Solomon Lefschetz: 0
Freeman Dyson: 0
Herman Bondi: 0
Negative Mass: 0
"Scientific and Intelligence Aspects of the UFO Problem"
Australian Intelligence 1971 Report: 0
Australia: 0
George Rideout: 0
Edward Teller: 0
Robert Oppenheimer: 0
David Kaiser: 0
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base: 1 (pg. 18)
Curtis Wright Aerospace Buffalo: 0
Pascal Jordan: 0
Mansfield Ammendment: 0
Joshua Goldberg: 0
Office of Global Access: 0
University of Texas, Austin: 0
Center for Dynamical Systems: 0
Physics: 5 (pgs. 16-17, 53)
Relativity: 0
Albert Einstein: 0
George Bunker: 0
Welcome Bender: 0
George Trimble: 0

CONCLUSION: This report purports to have studied the questions raised surrounding UFO/UAP related research of the US federal Government. It, in fact, appears to have studied a carefully chosen SUBSET of the claims selected from among those which appear to have mass appeal to the so-called "UFO Community." It completely, or nearly completely, avoided reporting on all questions surrounding issues which have been raised in serious research and by PhD level researchers who have raised scientific questions in this area. This continues the pattern of using PhD level government scientists who appear to avoid the actual research questions most likely to involve sensitve Special Access Programs and Stovepiped Research which are compartmentalized by design. Whether the omissions are due to issues of avoidance, misdirection (e.g. so-called Limited Hangout strategy), ignorance or incompetance cannot be discerned from the information given.

RECOMMENDATION: It is simply not possible to treat the current AARO report as historically complete or comprehensive. To gain the public trust, the successor to AARO would have to expand and redo this analysis with input from domain professionals who are trusted by the public not to have an apparent agenda or government background (e.g. Prof. David Kaiser of MIT or Dr. Nima Arkani Hamed of IAS, Prof. Brian Keating of UCSD, Avi Loeb of Harvard) Otherwise, it is relatively easy for scientists to "Follow the Silence" in government reports to see what is *not* being addressed or discussed.

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BREAKING NEWS: It has been confirmed by multiple sources that David Grusch will be working for Congress. In his new position he will be able to guide Congress towards UAP/NHI public disclosure. The main reason that David Grusch became a whistleblower was to let the public know… https://t.co/dVfMpmROLs

— MikeDisclosure (@MikeDisclosure) March 9, 2024

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So when is his Op-Ed coming out again?

This all makes for such a great point. It's beyond obvious at this point how desperate/pathetic this whole report is, and just how blatantly transparent they're being in their intentions. Turns out, its unintended purpose looks to be far worse, for those pushing this crap, as a fire seems to have been lit today in terms of eventual pushback. This year just got even more interesting.

Whether a genuine question or a sarcastic one, I said all I knew a few days ago…

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He apparently submitted it for DOPSR review two months ago and is still awaiting approval. Sounds like they're taking their sweet ass time.

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TCTTS said:

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This all makes for such a great point. It's beyond obvious at this point how desperate/pathetic this whole report is, and just how blatantly transparent they're being in their intentions. Turns out, its unintended purpose looks to be far worse, for those pushing this crap, as a fire seems to have been lit today in terms of eventual pushback. This year just got even more interesting.

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Well, don't go and rule out incompetence now. Could be either, I can't tell.

Common of witnesses to say the 2 main other countries and the shared intelligence group with significant resources into UAP:

China
Russia
AUKUS

Also, I don't believe the overly self-interested cretins running interference in our deep state share anything unless forced to (ie our bases, most importantly Rendlesham in UK, and the many North Sea sightings)

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Whether a genuine question or a sarcastic one, I said all I knew a few days ago…

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He apparently submitted it for DOPSR review two months ago and is still awaiting approval. Sounds like they're taking their sweet ass time.

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There's also speculation that Grusch was waiting for this report to drop first.

Very true. Though, THIS level of incompetence would be staggering, even for our government.

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Whether a genuine question or a sarcastic one, I said all I knew a few days ago…

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He apparently submitted it for DOPSR review two months ago and is still awaiting approval. Sounds like they're taking their sweet ass time.

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Fair. I'm skeptical, but willing to listen. But at the same time, if there is compelling evidence, well our government has thrown the gauntlet down. It's put up or shut up time.

On this we can agree. I don't think it's going to happen next week or next month, but I do think today's actions, at the very least, hardened whatever 2024 plans the opposition/whistleblowers have, and maybe even accelerated them.

That said, to be clear, Grusch's op-ed isn't meant to be some game-changer. It sounds like it's simply a follow-up to his initial claims, with added detail and maybe a couple new nuggets.

TCTTS said:

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Very true. Though, THIS level of incompetence would be staggering, even for our government.

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You say that, but either:
they put an honest effort to investigate and skipped over so many things and aren't aware;
or
they are being intentional to sweep all this under the rug, but are being so obvious about it by cherry-picking and ommitting key subjects that the cover-up is blatant;
or
they are playing 3d chess somehow and this is part of their plan of disclosure or to keep secret tech hidden or something and somehow this plays into that;
or
there is truly nothing; (I would like to remain level headed, but they have ommitted investigating too much at this time, so ruling this one out)


Hmm, maybe there are other alternatives I'm missing, but it seems 2 out of 3 are complete imcompetence, and the other one is just way too much competence to believe.

Look at the terminology. This is intentional#ufotwitter #ufoX #ufo pic.twitter.com/IiEFfeOB8V

— joeyisnotmyname (@JoeyIsntMyName) March 8, 2024

Voyager 1 is traveling 38,210 miles per hour.

It is 13.7 billion miles from earth and it took it 47 years to get that far.

It's just leaving our solar system.

Our galaxy has many solar systems. And the universe has 160 billion+ galaxies.

Redstone said:

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Voyager 1 is traveling 38,210 miles per hour.

It is 13.7 billion miles from earth and it took it 47 years to get that far.

It's just leaving our solar system.

Our galaxy has many solar systems. And the universe has 160 billion+ galaxies.

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Well that is a different conversation. I feel like every rational person should have 3 levels of probablility for life in the universe:
1. single cell (or something equating to this) existing somewhere else in the universe
2. intellegent life existing elsewhere
3. intellegent life visiting here

Absent, being an alient abductee, they should be descending for most people. I think most people that care to give it any thought would assign relatively high probabilities to the first two. The third is the one that shatters our understanding of the universe and is much harder to come to grips with. Is it as simple of a breakthrough as our cellphones would be to someone pre 1600's, or is it as seemingly impossible as it seems today?

Also, voyager is nowhere near exiting our solar system, that is just NASA PR crap. Its stil got like ~199.8k AU's to go to leave the Oort Cloud. Which even further emphasizes how big of a problem this presents.

Ross Coulthart Exposes Secret UFO Panel of AARO

Susan Gough admits “extraterrestrial” does not equate to “non-human.”

The entire AARO report hinges on the false binary choice between ET and human origin.

This is precisely the reason the UAP Disclosure Act used the term “non-human intelligence.” https://t.co/Sh3eP5pNB1

— ᴋʟᴀᵾs (@tinyklaus) March 9, 2024

August 2023 vs March 2024.

I double checked with @DeptofDefense @DoD_AARO what exactly they currently mean by ‘extraterrestrial’.

Notice the change.

Leaves quite a bit of wiggle room and then some.#ufotwitter #UFOx #UFO #UFOs #UAP #EndUAPsecrecy #UAPtransparency pic.twitter.com/IUmlIwQvkW

— Dan Zetterström (@TheZignal) March 9, 2024

Basically, the use of the term "extraterrestrial" seems to be intentional, as it doesn't account for "non-human intelligence" (NHI) that could either be terrestrial or inter-dimensional in nature (the latter being what Grusch has suggested we're dealing with). Seems the pentagon/AARO could very well be playing word games, and thus are not technically lying.

(Gough is the Pentagon spokeswoman on these matters.)

As a former U.S. Navy fighter pilot who works with other advanced UAP witnesses, I am very discouraged and disappointed by the Pentagon’s report. Once again, the Pentagon demonstrates it is more interested in discounting witnesses and whistleblowers than it is with actually…

— Ryan Graves (@uncertainvector) March 9, 2024

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As a former U.S. Navy fighter pilot who works with other advanced UAP witnesses, I am very discouraged and disappointed by the Pentagon's report. Once again, the Pentagon demonstrates it is more interested in discounting witnesses and whistleblowers than it is with actually identifying anomalous objects and phenomena in our airspace.

The bottom line is that this report raises more questions than it answers.

Here are the facts:

In the actual report, the Pentagon again acknowledges that there are anomalous objects in our airspace demonstrating concerning performance characteristics.

For example, the "UFO videos" - 2004 Nimitz incident, 2015 Gimbal and GoFast experienced by squadron remain completely unexplained and the Pentagon has no new update on this mystery.

The Pentagon is unable to determine whether or not these advanced UAP are foreign just as the former director of AARO is calling advanced UAP, "a potential national security crisis.

The Pentagon is dismissing UAP cases in this report without evidence while having previously said that they don't have the resources or the proper authorities to adequately investigate.

Here are my questions:

Why is the Pentagon trying to dismiss cases they can't explain?

If reported cases of UAP are entirely innocuous, why is AARO right now deploying advanced hyperspectral sensors to military bases and training ranges?

Is the Pentagon the right agency to investigate whistleblower claims or should Congress or the DOJ take a stronger role to ensure impartiality and justice?

Rather than address head on the 80 year UAP mystery, the Pentagon succeeded in further misdirecting the public, discouraging military pilots and whistleblowers from coming forward, and perpetuating the stigma surrounding this topic.

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This is a superb, takedown analysis of the @DoD_AARO historical report by @rpowell2u. It underlines the poor basic research, the faulty references, and blatant errors. https://t.co/HouwUrXxzT

— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) March 9, 2024

The Jig is Up for AARO

Garry Nolan says that the AARO Historical Report was so bad that everyone and the U.S. Congress knows exactly what AARO is trying to do. Hand selecting reporters for a no camera meeting also didn't help things.

Garry also points out that some witnesses… pic.twitter.com/gmbaJn5rAt

— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) March 10, 2024

Ross Coulthart says he is now certain that the non-human legacy crash retrieval program is real.

This interview was recorded a day before the AARO historical report was released.

Ross says the AARO report is the last ditch effort by the Pentagon and Intelligence Community to… pic.twitter.com/XuG91uhnWF

— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) March 10, 2024

Holy sh*t. Lue Elizondo's attorney. Still not proof, of course, but these are bold claims from a highly reputable individual, one who acted at the request of President Carter…

My response to @DoD_AARO https://t.co/2YGQaC5FXk

— Daniel Sheehan (@danielsheehan45) March 10, 2024

I am taking the extraordinary step of informing the public and the media that I, personally, know that Dr. Kirkpatrick and his associates at @DoD_AARO are consciously lying when they falsely assert that they have been provided no substantiable evidence of the existence of a…

— Daniel Sheehan (@danielsheehan45) March 10, 2024

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I am taking the extraordinary step of informing the public and the media that I, personally, know that Dr. Kirkpatrick and his associates at @DoD_AARO are consciously lying when they falsely assert that they have been provided no substantiable evidence of the existence of a secret U.S. government UFO crash retrieval program because I personally provided to Dr. Kirkpatrick himself, under oath, the fact that…I was granted access to the still-classified files of Project Blue Book related to the over 700 cases of UFO sightings that could not be rationalized as any natural phenomenon that had been simply mistakenly mis-identified as a UFO and, that, in that capacity, I was shown, by official representatives of our U.S. government, several official photographs of an active UFO crash retrieval operation.

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Tim Burchett, Chris Mellon, Lue Elizondo, Ryan Graves and Others Tear Apart AARO Report

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Holy sh*t. Lue Elizondo's attorney. Still not proof, of course, but these are bold claims from a highly reputable individual, one who acted at the request of President Carter…

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What are the verifiable details of Sheehan's bold claim ... like dates, location, witnesses, and the names of the US officials that shared UFO crash retrieval intel with him?

You'll have to ask him.

Point is, you can see his credentials listed in the first image of the first tweet, and they're pretty impressive. To the point where it makes little sense that he would be lying.

Could he be lying? Sure.

Do people like him eventually need to come with receipts? Absolutely.

But this is a process and they all have their justifiable reasons for not naming every name yet and sharing every last thing they know.

That Sue Gough woman is a nasty piece of work. The good thing is that people like her make it clear something major is being hidden. Extraterrestrial or not.

Yeah, she sucks. And has been so incredibly shady for years now.

"Essentially, though, the big news is how the AARO office just published a report that really strongly debunks any connection of UFO/UAP to anything extraterrestrial in any way. This is right out of the 1950s USAF debunking tactics. To call this report weak would be an understatement. There's zero transparency in terms of supporting any of its data or conclusions."

Richard Dolan-historian/reseacher

"Aviation journalist/broadcaster Brian Wilson in Australia and investigator Florence de Changy in Malaysia on the 10th anniversary of missing flight MH370 - that vanished on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing... And Ryan S Wood on UFO retrievals..."

https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-798-mh370-latestufo-retrievals