My only cgi moment I laughed at was silhouette of Indy jumping on roof of the train at the beginning
*** INDIANA JONES AND THE DIAL OF DESTINY *** (Spoiler Thread)
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The two glaring CGI issues for me were the de-aging in the opening sequence - it just never looked right, and his 80-year-old voice didn't match - along with the taxi chase in Morocco. That taxi chase was just really bad greenscreen throughout, whereas Spielberg (at least early Indy Spielberg) would have shot that sequence as practically as possible, and it stuck out like a sore thumb to me for that reason alone.
Wrong thread…
Replacing the Teddy kid with either someone a little older that had actually flown a plane or had a better story other than "I've started one before" would have made a big difference. That was the only stupid/lazy writing that bothered us. They showed him being a petty theft and stealing from the other kid but that had zero do to with story - thought that was gonna come back up and he would use that "skill" at some point.
I would say the actual pilot just happens to be asleep in the back of the plane, but didn't wake up until after the plane had been started and had taken off and was too close to the time rift to turn around all also happened to be lazy, crappy, just really bad writing. But they had to do something to make things work with this Teddy character…
There is a ton of lazy / bad writing and or PWB improv in this movie. It's a Kathleen Kenedy self insert fanfic and I'm kinda over Lucasfilm at this point.
That's exactly how it seemed to me too. I totally agree with your sentiment…
I took an odd path in prepping for the film by watching the two I hadn't seen in the longest time, Temple and Skull.
Doom takes a lot of guff, but I gotta say, I still love that movie. It's just so much fun. Indy looks great, I actually like Willie in that she mostly reacts like I'd expect a 1930's singer in those crazy situations, and Short Round is pure joy.
I even liked Skull more than I remembered. I think the first hour, where they really lean into the 1950's, is super enjoyable. I think that's where Spielberg was really the most invested. About the only thing that works once they head to Peru is watching Indy and Marion back together.
Today, I took my dad (who is close to Harrison's age) and my whole family. My honest reaction is that it's just "ok". I don't think there's a scene which rises to the level of a top 10 Indy moment. My favorite scenes were probably the two quiet ones when he talked about how he'd go back in time to save his son and marriage plus his final scene with Marion. I really wanted to like it more. With time, maybe I'll find more to warm to, but it will forever be in either 4th or 5th place in my rankings.
Doom takes a lot of guff, but I gotta say, I still love that movie. It's just so much fun. Indy looks great, I actually like Willie in that she mostly reacts like I'd expect a 1930's singer in those crazy situations, and Short Round is pure joy.
I even liked Skull more than I remembered. I think the first hour, where they really lean into the 1950's, is super enjoyable. I think that's where Spielberg was really the most invested. About the only thing that works once they head to Peru is watching Indy and Marion back together.
Today, I took my dad (who is close to Harrison's age) and my whole family. My honest reaction is that it's just "ok". I don't think there's a scene which rises to the level of a top 10 Indy moment. My favorite scenes were probably the two quiet ones when he talked about how he'd go back in time to save his son and marriage plus his final scene with Marion. I really wanted to like it more. With time, maybe I'll find more to warm to, but it will forever be in either 4th or 5th place in my rankings.
Alright, let's do this:
Short Round vs Teddy
Teddy has height, weight, and age over Short Round, and Short Round would still kick his ass (literally) in seconds.
Teddy is a cardboard cutout. No charisma whatsoever. What about Teddy's skills? He can pickpocket and drive, but Short Round could do the same. Short Round was also an asskicker, he could also climb up and swing on ropes, beat up a prince, and was a close friend of Indiana Jones.
Oh, and maybe the most important thing, Short Round had a personality, he had a great sense of humor, attitude, and a take no **** personality. He was like a small, young Indiana Jones.
Just compare the scene with Short Round and Indy playing poker versus all of what Teddy showed. That one scene shows Short Round as a real life fleshed out character. Teddy is oatmeal…
Short Round vs Teddy
Teddy has height, weight, and age over Short Round, and Short Round would still kick his ass (literally) in seconds.
Teddy is a cardboard cutout. No charisma whatsoever. What about Teddy's skills? He can pickpocket and drive, but Short Round could do the same. Short Round was also an asskicker, he could also climb up and swing on ropes, beat up a prince, and was a close friend of Indiana Jones.
Oh, and maybe the most important thing, Short Round had a personality, he had a great sense of humor, attitude, and a take no **** personality. He was like a small, young Indiana Jones.
Just compare the scene with Short Round and Indy playing poker versus all of what Teddy showed. That one scene shows Short Round as a real life fleshed out character. Teddy is oatmeal…
This ONE poker scene is better than the entire Dial of Destiny…
And oh yeah - Short Round laterwon an Oscar
I liked the movie a lot but why the heck couldn't they have made adult Short Round be the sidekick and maybe even successor? That was a missed opportunity for sure. Still loved the movie though.
aezmvp said:
There is a ton of lazy / bad writing and or PWB improv in this movie. It's a Kathleen Kenedy self insert fanfic and I'm kinda over Lucasfilm at this point.
What is "PWB improv"?
Also, re: Kennedy, I'm to the point where I agree that she needs to go, but you do realize that Spielberg was consulted, non-stop, from inception to post, on this movie, right? At times, Mangold talked to him almost on a daily basis. Overall, it's no doubt lacking that specific Spielberg charm (and I heard someone say the other day that it's missing Spielberg's "playful" camera as well), but this wasn't some "Kathleen Kennedy self insert fanfic," whatever that means, exactly. In other words, while Spielberg would likely made it better/different, this movie *does* have his seal of approval.
PWB is the leading lady…
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In other words, while Spielberg would likely made it better/different, this movie *does* have his seal of approval.
Understatement of the century. Spielberg would have made a vastly better movie and it wasn't like he was going to come out and publicly say this DOESN'T have his seal of approval. I'm sure he realized it's lackluster.
Great! Would Short Round like a cookie?Big Al 1992 said:
And oh yeah - Short Round laterwon an Oscar
Not defending the Teddy character here. I didn't really like his character that much, and I would actually agree he is a forgettable character. Short Round did have a few decent moments in ToD, but damn that kid grated on 17-year-old me when I first saw ToD. Still does, in fact.
"fortune cookies, Dr. Jones."Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Great! Would Short Round like a cookie?Big Al 1992 said:
And oh yeah - Short Round laterwon an Oscar
/Short Round in the bug tunnel in ToD
Teacher_Ag said:Quote:
In other words, while Spielberg would likely made it better/different, this movie *does* have his seal of approval.
Understatement of the century. Spielberg would have made a vastly better movie and it wasn't like he was going to come out and publicly say this DOESN'T have his seal of approval. I'm sure he realized it's lackluster.
My point is, Spielberg was still consulted every step of the way, had a hundred opportunities to shoot things down, give notes, make suggestions, etc, at literally every step in the process - he *is* a producer on the movie, after all - and neither he nor Mangold have shied away from that fact at all. Spielberg is owning this movie in ways he wasn't required to. This wasn't "fanfic."
I'm curious about the assertion that Spielberg would have made a better movie. Given the hatred most here have for The Crystal Skull, they do realize Spielberg did that one as well?
In the end it doesn't matter because that's how it comes across.
That, and it still sucks…
That, and it still sucks…
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I'm curious about the assertion that Spielberg would have made a better movie. Given the hatred most here have for The Crystal Skull, they do realize Spielberg did that one as well?
Great point.
aggiephoenix02 said:
I'm the end it doesn't matter because that's how it comes across.
That, and it still sucks…
We get it, dude. We've heard you loud and clear across both threads now.
Teacher_Ag said:Quote:
In other words, while Spielberg would likely made it better/different, this movie *does* have his seal of approval.
Understatement of the century. Spielberg would have made a vastly better movie and it wasn't like he was going to come out and publicly say this DOESN'T have his seal of approval. I'm sure he realized it's lackluster.
Who directed the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?
Oh, okay, I'll just leave the discussion and let y'all circle jerk each other…
It's not that we want a "circle jerk." It's that you're basically just saying it "sucks" over and over again in slightly different ways. If you want to have a constructive discussion, I'm all for it.
I'm comparing movies in the series, talking about specific characters and scenes and even linking scenes to compare to this movies.
You may not agree or like what I say, but don't act like I'm not contributing to the discussion and thread…
Edit: You didn't even know who PWB is and you're lecturing me? You got a lot of nerve, buster!
You may not agree or like what I say, but don't act like I'm not contributing to the discussion and thread…
Edit: You didn't even know who PWB is and you're lecturing me? You got a lot of nerve, buster!
Touche.
EXACTLY THISSponge said:
If y'all keep running out to see bad reboots then Hollywood will keep making them.
were there a lot of Nazis in the USA in 1969?Sapper Redux said:LMCane said:frankly this looks awful on so many levelsTCTTS said:
Officially in theaters as of today.
Will see you guys back here Saturday night/Sunday...
AI to make 75 year old Harrison Ford look 40 again. because we need more computers changing around reality and make believe for fake social media
CGI in every single scene- Ford jumping out of a burning German Heinkel 110. okay- that's realistic.
Nazis in the USA being a huge problem in 1969 where the bad white guy insults a black waiter, because we need more race baiting movies.
pass
… it's an Indiana Jones movie. Nazis are kind of a thing in Indiana Jones movies. I'm not sure why a Nazi being a Nazi would trigger you.
I did basic training in the Israel Defense Forces and was an officer in the US Air Force. I don't get "triggered" by movies.
but thanks for your concern.
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were there a lot of Nazis in the USA in 1969?
In a movie that features 12 year olds flying planes, 80 year olds diving to 300' etc, the Nazi angle is completely believable.
There certainly were former Nazis (or at least Germans scientists used by the Nazi party) in the space program in 1969. It's not a stretch to imagine one of them still being sympathetic to the cause. That this Nazi is an ******* to the black waiter is par for the course... a fair sized chunk of the US white population were *******s to black people in the late 60's, but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
You forgot to bold the important parts of your post, type your response in a manner that implies you're never not angry at the world, and employ an all around combative attitude, no matter the subject.
I'm afraid that's the only way he understands how to communicate.
I'm afraid that's the only way he understands how to communicate.
Thought ok Indiana Jones movie. Not one of best, but enjoyable Sunday afternoon at the movies. Biggest concern for movie is that there were about 6-7 other people in theater, all of us over 60. Think demographics for this series is dying off. Also several scenes where I thought that was put in just so Disney can add an attraction at their parks.
Saw it on Sunday with the family. We all had a great time. It's not perfect, but that doesnt mean I wasted my time and money. Marvel has spoiled us. We are always comparing every Hollywood blockbuster film to the theather experience we got from Endgame. That's not the norm. That's the exception. It's gotten to the point where people are waiting for end credits after seeing movies like this one. Enjoy it for what it is and stop critiquing every little bad cgi shot. It was money well spent on a Sunday afternoon with the family.
The family went this weekend and we found it enjoyable as long as you can accept some stretches in the story and look the other way from reality. What distracted me was some very simplistic plot holes.
First was when the Nazi dude confronts them on top of the train. How did he get ahead of them and why did he not just shoot them right away (many movies are guilty of this)
Second, when the train crashes on the bridge the cars would decouple and be all over the place, not still on the tracks.
When Short Round v2.0 and the big dude go tumbling into the water they did so because they trashed the bridge and then minutes later the bad guys are leaving crossing said bridge.
During the underwater scene when the BC cord was pulled sending the girl racing to the surface would have given her the bends and other problems.
I could site others but like my wife said, "enjoy it or be a stick in the mud"
Last rant. I hate the over used Hollywood scene where a single or multiple military trained people with rapid fire weapons can't hit the target, even with multiple chances to do so.
All in all I would recommend it with to friends.
First was when the Nazi dude confronts them on top of the train. How did he get ahead of them and why did he not just shoot them right away (many movies are guilty of this)
Second, when the train crashes on the bridge the cars would decouple and be all over the place, not still on the tracks.
When Short Round v2.0 and the big dude go tumbling into the water they did so because they trashed the bridge and then minutes later the bad guys are leaving crossing said bridge.
During the underwater scene when the BC cord was pulled sending the girl racing to the surface would have given her the bends and other problems.
I could site others but like my wife said, "enjoy it or be a stick in the mud"
Last rant. I hate the over used Hollywood scene where a single or multiple military trained people with rapid fire weapons can't hit the target, even with multiple chances to do so.
All in all I would recommend it with to friends.
Thanks to this thread we went to see the movie yesterday and we enjoyed it. The first and last 20 minutes were really fun. I was impressed by the plot and didn't realize where it was going until it was revealed in the final 20 minutes.
It did drag in-between and I looked at my watch a couple times. The woman that played Indy's Godchild was remarkably unattractive and unlikeable. I hated her the second I saw her. Then as the movie wire on, I despised her. I was hoping for her early death so the movie would get good again.
It did drag in-between and I looked at my watch a couple times. The woman that played Indy's Godchild was remarkably unattractive and unlikeable. I hated her the second I saw her. Then as the movie wire on, I despised her. I was hoping for her early death so the movie would get good again.
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