Entertaining. Glad I saw it and did not regret how I spent the afternoon. That said, it did have issues and it's not one I'll watch again. A fun, one-time ride.
*** INDIANA JONES AND THE DIAL OF DESTINY *** (Spoiler Thread)
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aggiephoenix02 said:
Alright, let's do this:
Short Round vs Teddy
Teddy has height, weight, and age over Short Round, and Short Round would still kick his ass (literally) in seconds.
Teddy is a cardboard cutout. No charisma whatsoever. What about Teddy's skills? He can pickpocket and drive, but Short Round could do the same. Short Round was also an asskicker, he could also climb up and swing on ropes, beat up a prince, and was a close friend of Indiana Jones.
Oh, and maybe the most important thing, Short Round had a personality, he had a great sense of humor, attitude, and a take no **** personality. He was like a small, young Indiana Jones.
Just compare the scene with Short Round and Indy playing poker versus all of what Teddy showed. That one scene shows Short Round as a real life fleshed out character. Teddy is oatmeal…
Do they eat nachos?
Good watch.
I truly believe John Williams has an excellent claim to being the most impactful artist of the last 50 years. Without him, think about how different so many things we love would be:
There were great film composers before him, and many have followed, but no one has made or will make a bigger impact on the art of film music.
- Jaws
- Star Wars (all of them)
- Superman
- Close Encounters
- Indiana Jones
- e.t.
- Jurassic Park
- Home Alone
- Harry Potter
- Spielberg
- And many others
There were great film composers before him, and many have followed, but no one has made or will make a bigger impact on the art of film music.
It's Walt Disney, then John Williams. All time.
Harrison sporting a David Letterman beard.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Very solid movie! It's not last crusade, but its a great fun popcorn movie. Whole family had fun. Lots of great action scenes. Some of the negative reviews I read were so off, it's like they didn't watch the same movie.
I guess the one good thing about Indy 5 is that it looks like there will be no chance of an Indy 6.
There's a 30-45 minute sequence in the first half where the movie is slow and I almost fell asleep a few times. The second half is great tho and classic Indiana Jones.
My DIAL OF DESTINY hot take is that the crazy thing that happens toward the end should've happened at the end of act 1, and they should've spent the rest of the movie trying to get back. Team up with Archimedes or whatever
— Topher South (@tophersouth) July 5, 2023
So just remake Back to the Future?
So glad they killed Shia Lebouf off
Agree. I saw it yesterday, and it's not my favorite Indiana Jones movie, but I enjoyed it and would watch it again after it's released out of the theaters.
Saw it today, it's good. They should recut it and make it 45 minutes shorter. You can scrap that whole chase scene in Tangiers. Just need less action and more Mads in the first half, so the fact that he is the antagonist is a little more ominous. All in all, a respectable Indy film.
This is a hilarious review of how bad Indiana Jones 5 is
lots of cursing but it's on youtube
lots of cursing but it's on youtube
That dude nailed it…
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I just don't understand some of these complaints. What were people expecting of an 80 year-old Harrison Ford playing an aging Indiana Jones? Like, he can't be the hero he was in the 80s and 90s because he is old. Thats what the movie is dealing with, and that is his arc. He knows he's past his prime so he essentially feels like his life is over. The movie nails this home SEVERAL times, to the point that you kind of think, yeah...he should stay in the past...
And for Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character, I feel like this reviewer is missing the point of her as well. She isn't supposed to be likable. We aren't meant to really like her. She is essentially the anti-thesis to everything that Indiana Jones has stood for and they are being forced to work together because of a shared history and somewhat shared objective (keep item from Nazi's). Her turn is quick, but it happens when she is confronted by the actual power of the object. Suddenly, the danger of it becomes real to her and she sees that Indy is right. Yes she is the driving force in the movie, but again that make sense with the reality that Indiana Jones is old and retiring.
I get that some people don't want to see their heroes have to deal with be old and having to learn to deal with all that entails. Thats fine. Then this film is definitely NOT for you. I just don't know that it's reasonable to have expected something else from this movie? Or to be mad at the movie for dealing with that? Like, just don't go see "legacy sequels" if you don't want to see your favorite characters deal with new issues, especially aging?
And for Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character, I feel like this reviewer is missing the point of her as well. She isn't supposed to be likable. We aren't meant to really like her. She is essentially the anti-thesis to everything that Indiana Jones has stood for and they are being forced to work together because of a shared history and somewhat shared objective (keep item from Nazi's). Her turn is quick, but it happens when she is confronted by the actual power of the object. Suddenly, the danger of it becomes real to her and she sees that Indy is right. Yes she is the driving force in the movie, but again that make sense with the reality that Indiana Jones is old and retiring.
I get that some people don't want to see their heroes have to deal with be old and having to learn to deal with all that entails. Thats fine. Then this film is definitely NOT for you. I just don't know that it's reasonable to have expected something else from this movie? Or to be mad at the movie for dealing with that? Like, just don't go see "legacy sequels" if you don't want to see your favorite characters deal with new issues, especially aging?
Wow. Not only are you posting on a thread about a movie you don't want to see, you spend time searching videos for others to back up your opinion the movie isn't good.Quote:
This is a hilarious review of how bad Indiana Jones 5 is
lots of cursing but it's on youtube
I just don't understand why you don't understand people's complaints. Nobody wants to see a fan favorite, iconic character as a dejected old man. Also, my argument is yes, he is old and he can't be that hero we once knew, so don't make the movie. But they want to go for a "easy" cash grab and milk the IP for all its worth.veryfuller said:
I just don't understand some of these complaints. What were people expecting of an 80 year-old Harrison Ford playing an aging Indiana Jones? Like, he can't be the hero he was in the 80s and 90s because he is old. Thats what the movie is dealing with, and that is his arc. He knows he's past his prime so he essentially feels like his life is over. The movie nails this home SEVERAL times, to the point that you kind of think, yeah...he should stay in the past...
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And for Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character, I feel like this reviewer is missing the point of her as well. She isn't supposed to be likable. We aren't meant to really like her. She is essentially the anti-thesis to everything that Indiana Jones has stood for and they are being forced to work together because of a shared history and somewhat shared objective (keep item from Nazi's).
Why would people like a movie with a featured character that they aren't supposed to like? Indiana Jones is, or was, a hugely popular figure, but we are supposed to watch and enjoy a movie with the anti-thesis of him? Everybody really liked him, so making the opposite of him leads to what exactly?
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I get that some people don't want to see their heroes have to deal with be old and having to learn to deal with all that entails. Thats fine. Then this film is definitely NOT for you. I just don't know that it's reasonable to have expected something else from this movie? Or to be mad at the movie for dealing with that? Like, just don't go see "legacy sequels" if you don't want to see your favorite characters deal with new issues, especially aging?
Again they don't want to see their heroes get old, so don't make the movie. People obviously don't want to see it and that's why the numbers are so bad.
Look, you can enjoy the movie, that's great. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I think it is pretty clear why a lot of people don't like it.
I will say that Ford's performance came off as "just trying to get thru it" - which at his age, he probably was to some degree. Now part of that is probably the life stage of the character and therefore the role, but the sly grin and mischievous fun was basically absent. And that IS the Indy that we got to love
To some degree, the character felt like these semi-recent Clint Eastwood movies
To some degree, the character felt like these semi-recent Clint Eastwood movies
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To be clear -- I understand that people don't want to see that. My point is don't go see the movie then. If you go see it, then be realistic about what it's going to be (Indiana Jones is old) and adjust expectations accordingly. Going to see it and then yelling about the movie as if it could have been anything other than what it was is the part I don't understand.
And I guess what I mean by not meant to like Phoebe Waller-Bridge, I mean, the point of her character isn't to be a likable side-kick. She just is a greedy grave robber and all that entails. Some people will like the dynamic, others won't, but her purpose in the story is to contrast with Indy. She is his foil. She isn't a character we, as an audience, are meant to necessarily root for.
And I guess what I mean by not meant to like Phoebe Waller-Bridge, I mean, the point of her character isn't to be a likable side-kick. She just is a greedy grave robber and all that entails. Some people will like the dynamic, others won't, but her purpose in the story is to contrast with Indy. She is his foil. She isn't a character we, as an audience, are meant to necessarily root for.
Don't forget Schindler's ListYoda said:
I truly believe John Williams has an excellent claim to being the most impactful artist of the last 50 years. Without him, think about how different so many things we love would be:
- Jaws
- Star Wars (all of them)
- Superman
- Close Encounters
- Indiana Jones
- e.t.
- Jurassic Park
- Home Alone
- Harry Potter
- Spielberg
- And many others
There were great film composers before him, and many have followed, but no one has made or will make a bigger impact on the art of film music.
haven't watched the movie, but, thats about what i was expectingLMCane said:
This is a hilarious review of how bad Indiana Jones 5 is
lots of cursing but it's on youtube
https://ts.la/eric59704
It felt that way in Crystal Skull as well. The charm was noticeably absent compared to the original three films. It's really a shame that fans didn't get a WWII Indy film in the 90's, that would have been the ideal time with Ford's age. Post-90's, Ford just wasn't quite the same actor.DannyDuberstein said:
I will say that Ford's performance came off as "just trying to get thru it" - which at his age, he probably was to some degree. Now part of that is probably the life stage of the character and therefore the role, but the sly grin and mischievous fun was basically absent. And that IS the Indy that we got to love
To some degree, the character felt like these semi-recent Clint Eastwood movies
That being said, I think Mangold as least tried to give the fans as much of a nod with this one as he could. Considering Ford's age and voice, the first sequence during WWII with the de-aging was done as well as technology could allow for. At least we got a taste of WWII Indy.
Charlie Conway said:I just don't understand why you don't understand people's complaints. Nobody wants to see a fan favorite, iconic character as a dejected old man. Also, my argument is yes, he is old and he can't be that hero we once knew, so don't make the movie. But they want to go for a "easy" cash grab and milk the IP for all its worth.veryfuller said:
I just don't understand some of these complaints. What were people expecting of an 80 year-old Harrison Ford playing an aging Indiana Jones? Like, he can't be the hero he was in the 80s and 90s because he is old. Thats what the movie is dealing with, and that is his arc. He knows he's past his prime so he essentially feels like his life is over. The movie nails this home SEVERAL times, to the point that you kind of think, yeah...he should stay in the past...Quote:
And for Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character, I feel like this reviewer is missing the point of her as well. She isn't supposed to be likable. We aren't meant to really like her. She is essentially the anti-thesis to everything that Indiana Jones has stood for and they are being forced to work together because of a shared history and somewhat shared objective (keep item from Nazi's).
Why would people like a movie with a featured character that they aren't supposed to like? Indiana Jones is, or was, a hugely popular figure, but we are supposed to watch and enjoy a movie with the anti-thesis of him? Everybody really liked him, so making the opposite of him leads to what exactly?Quote:
I get that some people don't want to see their heroes have to deal with be old and having to learn to deal with all that entails. Thats fine. Then this film is definitely NOT for you. I just don't know that it's reasonable to have expected something else from this movie? Or to be mad at the movie for dealing with that? Like, just don't go see "legacy sequels" if you don't want to see your favorite characters deal with new issues, especially aging?
Again they don't want to see their heroes get old, so don't make the movie. People obviously don't want to see it and that's why the numbers are so bad.
Look, you can enjoy the movie, that's great. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I think it is pretty clear why a lot of people don't like it.
This is a staple of nearly every traditional "hero's journey" type story - a foil for the protagonist who is literally supposed to be the anti-thesis of him. This is screenwriting 101. You hold a mirror up to the protagonist with a version of himself, one who holds the opposite beliefs, to not only help define the protagonist for the audience, but to also tempt him. In most stories this is *the* villain of the movie, but here they did a clever thing and made this person the sidekick.
They eventually become the yin and yang of each other in a way, in terms of their respective arcs - for Helena, she becomes less about the money and more about the human connection, while Indy realizes he matters in the present day (to her and to Marion), something Helena helps him understand. Each helps each other grow/change. I thought it was really well done and I just don't get the complaints, when a much thinner version of this character is in every other action/sci-fi/fantasy movie.
My only complaint was to cast Phoebe W Bridge in this movie at all. I don't care for her acting.
Fair complaint. I get that the actress herself isn't for everyone.
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That is EXACTLY what I was thinkingDannyDuberstein said:
To some degree, the character felt like these semi-recent Clint Eastwood movies
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I went into the movie with zero expectations, in fact didn't even know it was out when we decided last minute that a movie outing was in order earlier this week, so that definitely colors my perceptions of it.
I really enjoyed it, and enjoyed it a whole lot more than the last one.
It definitely has flaws and maybe too many callbacks to previous movies, although I enjoyed most of those despite the lack of creativity TBH.
I thought the CG of younger Indy in the early part of the movie was the best I've seen. I was a bit blown away that they were able to pull that off for as long as they did. With as well as they pulled it off, I wish they had worked in another scene or two later in the film.
The biggest misses in the movie IMO were with the female lead and her sidekick. I thought the character for Indy's god-daughter was fine and, theoretically, a good character for Indy to play off, but the actress was just unappealing and didn't pull off her role as I think it was intended. That was a casting mistake IMO.
I don't know that her sidekick was well-cast either, but I think the bigger problem was with the character. He really added nothing to the movie, not even some needed humor. Having those two tied together just detracted from so many scenes and the movie itself.
But overall, it's about as good as I could have hoped for an action movie starring an actor who literally can't run and can only walk fast for about 3 steps before they have to cut to something else.
Two thumbs up.
I really enjoyed it, and enjoyed it a whole lot more than the last one.
It definitely has flaws and maybe too many callbacks to previous movies, although I enjoyed most of those despite the lack of creativity TBH.
I thought the CG of younger Indy in the early part of the movie was the best I've seen. I was a bit blown away that they were able to pull that off for as long as they did. With as well as they pulled it off, I wish they had worked in another scene or two later in the film.
The biggest misses in the movie IMO were with the female lead and her sidekick. I thought the character for Indy's god-daughter was fine and, theoretically, a good character for Indy to play off, but the actress was just unappealing and didn't pull off her role as I think it was intended. That was a casting mistake IMO.
I don't know that her sidekick was well-cast either, but I think the bigger problem was with the character. He really added nothing to the movie, not even some needed humor. Having those two tied together just detracted from so many scenes and the movie itself.
But overall, it's about as good as I could have hoped for an action movie starring an actor who literally can't run and can only walk fast for about 3 steps before they have to cut to something else.
Two thumbs up.
It seems like a lot of posters on this thread are like, "It was pretty alright! I mean, I wasn't expecting much, and this part sucked, and that part made no sense, and I didn't like those characters, but other than it kinda sucking, I thought it was pretty alright!"
I hate this movie so hard it makes me angry. It's not just the worst Indiana Jones movie, but one of the all time worst blockbuster movies.
This movie sucks so bad, and y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for pretending like it doesn't suck as bad as it really does…
I hate this movie so hard it makes me angry. It's not just the worst Indiana Jones movie, but one of the all time worst blockbuster movies.
This movie sucks so bad, and y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for pretending like it doesn't suck as bad as it really does…
aggiephoenix02 said:
It seems like a lot of posters on this thread are like, "It was pretty alright! I mean, I wasn't expecting much, and this part sucked, and that part made no sense, and I didn't like those characters, but other than it kinda sucking, I thought it was pretty alright!"
I hate this movie so hard it makes me angry. It's not just the worst Indiana Jones movie, but one of the all time worst blockbuster movies.
This movie sucks so bad, and y'all should be ashamed of yourselves for pretending like it doesn't suck as bad as it really does…
My man will not rest until everyone hates this movie as much as he does!
I admire the commitment, anyway, to this least meaningful of causes.
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