That would be a cool twist.
Thanks and gig'em
*****Lokie Season 2*****
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SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
I get the feeling at the end thst renslayer is a kang variant.
I told a friend the same thing.
Finally caught up. Watched episode two last night and three this afternoon. So far it's fine, but I'd really like to see some direction. Everything since Endgame has felt muddled and pointless.
Love the cast in this, though. And the settings were pretty good this last episode.
Love the cast in this, though. And the settings were pretty good this last episode.
I know there's been a lot of great sports on as of late, but it's still crazy to me that this thread has only 11 replies since the latest episode aired three days ago. I don't think we've ever seen a Marvel thread see this little engagement, especially for one of their more popular Disney+ series. I definitely don't blame anyone - I totally get it and am right there with you - it's just further evidence how much the MCU has fallen. That said, I was expecting more interest than this, considering how much most people liked the first season.
Yeah, this is my favorite MCU series. I also think I'm one of the few who is liking the 2nd season more than the first. But it's disappointing that they've let the MCU come to this.
TCTTS said:Aggie_Journalist said:
Did tonight's episode feel like a boring mess to anyone else?
This version of Kang is just… boring
Renslayer and Kang's… romance? Was boring
Miss minutes getting jealous is… Odd
Folks just seemed to show up and go away at random.
I spent most of the episode waiting for it to end.
I appreciate what they were trying to do, how ambitious the episode was, how much they clearly spent on it, etc, but yeah, it was just too all over the place. It simultaneously felt like like something super important was happening, but then also felt like a bunch of wheel spinning and water treading.
That, and the whole variant thing continues to confuse the hell out of me. In season one of Loki all his variants were different enough, were played by different actors and animals, and were clearly part of all kinds of weird and wacky multiversal timelines. Oddly, that actually made more sense, compared to now, where all the variants of He Who Remains each look exactly like Jonathan Majors, and I straight up don't understand Victor Timely's path compared to the path of, say, He Who Remains, who told us in the season one finale that he was/is a scientist in the 31st century or something, in another timeline. He talked about eventually meeting another variant of himself from another timeline, which clearly wasn't Victor Timely, but yet He Who Remains needs Victor to do... something... in the past... in in order for his plan to work... in the future... but in another timeline... and I'm just fed up with trying to keep track of any of it.
It used to simply be: purple guy bad, purple guy wants to bring balance to the universe by eliminating half of the population. Ok, got it, let's go.
Now? I get the basic gist, but when I'm watching any of it in real time I couldn't tell you a single thing about how it all relates, or what's truly at stake. And worse, I don't even really care. Multiverses on their own are complicated enough, but throwing time travel into the mix as well is just too much to keep track of, and I'm really, really close to giving up on all of it. And this is coming from the guy who usually loves time travel in movies, and is the one having to explain to everyone else how it all works.
That's just you in this timeline though. In others you're both bewildered by it and yet really into it without the need for emotional stakes.
SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
I get the feeling at the end thst renslayer is a kang variant.
I expect Kang to be her father
Aren't Kang and Renslayer lovers in the comics or am I mistaken?
yes they are star-crossed lovers, Renslayer always diesTCTTS said:
Aren't Kang and Renslayer lovers in the comics or am I mistaken?
Gotcha, thanks. I'm assuming that will stay true in this iteration as well (both them hooking up and Renslayer eventually dying).
Definitely Not A Cop said:SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
I get the feeling at the end thst renslayer is a kang variant.
I expect Kang to be her father
Ahhhh. Could be. I don't read comics, my gut was just going off of miss minutes conversation with renslayer at the corpse of he who remains… something about telling her a secret that will make her mad or something to that effect
We going to get a miss minutes and white vision AI love story?
TCTTS said:
Aren't Kang and Renslayer lovers in the comics or am I mistaken?
No idea.
Sports getting a lot less interesting. I won't be late watching another episode.
Edit spelling.. and bourbon
Edit spelling.. and bourbon
I'm loving this season for sure. The tone, the color, music and acting, is all great. It's unique and is so far the most interesting story in the multiverse saga. We'll see how it ends up.
I do wonder about some fatigue or lack of clear direction from MCU story tellers, but this one , for me, feels the most compelling so far.
As for MCU tv shows, through all of them so far, my favorite has been WandaVision… may still be in the end, but this Loki Season 2 is the first time I've been compelled to consider another.
I do wonder about some fatigue or lack of clear direction from MCU story tellers, but this one , for me, feels the most compelling so far.
As for MCU tv shows, through all of them so far, my favorite has been WandaVision… may still be in the end, but this Loki Season 2 is the first time I've been compelled to consider another.
Finally caught up. Really liked this latest episode. The World's Fair was a great setting and we even got an HH Holmes name-drop. The Renslayler-Miss Minutes-Timely triangle is weird and funny to me. Interesting in seeing if and when this Timely guy takes the next step towards evil Kang.
Loki and Mobius continue to be pretty captivating. Love their interactions and characters.
One thing I guess I don't get is this: The big pruning event should have taken the urgency off the loom melting down, right?
Loki and Mobius continue to be pretty captivating. Love their interactions and characters.
One thing I guess I don't get is this: The big pruning event should have taken the urgency off the loom melting down, right?
I think more compelling writing would aid in connecting us with it but we're dumped into the middle of relationships we haven't experienced and centuries old beefs that don't resonate ("I covered for your Mobius for all your screwups, you don't know how to lead, etc.). The whole 'I'm order which is better than chaos' right before Sylvie shows up and sends it sideways is too on the nose.
There's definitely something special about Timely. Either he is going to be Evil Kang or he becomes the Conqueror of the Kang variants. Otherwise, in my mind, he wouldn't be the key to He who Remains succession plan.
My best guess at the loom repair is: I think the big pruning event would temporarily relieve the loom. But if branches are still forming simultaneously to that event then the need for that additional piece is still great.
My best guess at the loom repair is: I think the big pruning event would temporarily relieve the loom. But if branches are still forming simultaneously to that event then the need for that additional piece is still great.
TexAgs has become such a place of extreme opinions, much like a lot of places online. I've found myself drifting away from discussing all but my most passionate subjects on here because it's just too many people hating or having a problem with everything if it's not perfect to their liking. Although typing it out makes me feel like it's probably just me getting older, but that's OK too. For a lot of the shows I watch, just enjoying it in my own head is starting to be more fun than wading through everyone's problems with everything.
That's how the internet works recently. Everyone competing with each other to brag about how much they hate or love something. There isn't much room for nuance and real discussion with all of that noise.The Porkchop Express said:
TexAgs has become such a place of extreme opinions, much like a lot of places online. I've found myself drifting away from discussing all but my most passionate subjects on here because it's just too many people hating or having a problem with everything if it's not perfect to their liking. Although typing it out makes me feel like it's probably just me getting older, but that's OK too. For a lot of the shows I watch, just enjoying it in my own head is starting to be more fun than wading through everyone's problems with everything.
I think this is part of it, yes, but the content itself is to blame as well. Between all the Marvel and Star Wars stuff, along with the Lord of the Rings series, House of the Dragon, etc, it all feels like we're scraping the bottom of the barrel. It's all spinoffs or prequels or echos of what once was. None of it is the "original text" anymore, it all feels a number of generations removed from what used to be, and you can just feel the constant strain to try and justify its relevance, often to terrible results. Even the better entries of the bunch can't escape that sinking, "Ok, but why does this actually exist?" feeling.
Comparatively, you click in a thread for the truly good shows - The Bear, Succession, Better Call Saul, etc - and you'll find way more positivity and consensus. Sure, there are complaints here and there, but they're mostly minor and hardly anyone is consistently b*tching or being negative just to be negative. It's just that those shows are obviously now in the minority compared to the gluttony of genre IP crap, which didn't exist to the current extent even five years ago.
Comparatively, you click in a thread for the truly good shows - The Bear, Succession, Better Call Saul, etc - and you'll find way more positivity and consensus. Sure, there are complaints here and there, but they're mostly minor and hardly anyone is consistently b*tching or being negative just to be negative. It's just that those shows are obviously now in the minority compared to the gluttony of genre IP crap, which didn't exist to the current extent even five years ago.
Well, then I guess my real issue is that I've enjoyed the heck out of almost every "terrible" show that gets berated on these threads. And while I should be able to just ignore the posts that blast the shows I like and mock their existence, it's hard to do. So better not to participate for my own mental health.
It's not just here, though. Like C@LAg said, for a good chunk of the Marvel and Star Wars Disney+ stuff, not only do most critics dislike it, the overwhelming consensus among fans/the viewing public is that most of it is subpar. If not terrible, so much of it is at least aimless and forgettable. I mean, even Marvel themselves are openly admitting as much now, with a publicly announced strategy to fix it. And while I was one of the few here who, for the most part, enjoyed the first season of The Lord of the Rings series, fans infamously tuned out according to the data. They just weren't into it, and that's not on them for being too cynical or opinionated or whatever.
I'm not at all saying you're wrong for enjoying any of it. More power to you if you do. But it seems you're placing a lot of the blame on this board and the internet as a whole for reacting negatively, when it's clear the real blame should be placed on the studios for making so much uninspired, cash-grab television. When it's undeniable that, like I said, the vast majority of this kind of content now is spinoffs and prequels and retreads and echoes of what once was. It's all so far from the "original text" that it's basically a joke at this point.
I mean, even the Loki series, which most people agree is one of the best Marvel Disney+ series, is now in season two of a spin-off about a variant of a villain who already had a full arc and died, who was then re-created when the heroes traveled back in time in the culmination of an already 11-year-old franchise at the time. I'm sorry but that's objectively comical, and such a perfect summation of the state of things, and there's just no way something like that doesn't eventually fall under the weight of trying to justify its own existence. Either way, it's perfectly fine for us to point that out and vent about it. It's not about us wanting it all to be "perfect" and exactly "to our liking," we just want things that don't feel like such leftovers and reheated meals anymore.
I'm not at all saying you're wrong for enjoying any of it. More power to you if you do. But it seems you're placing a lot of the blame on this board and the internet as a whole for reacting negatively, when it's clear the real blame should be placed on the studios for making so much uninspired, cash-grab television. When it's undeniable that, like I said, the vast majority of this kind of content now is spinoffs and prequels and retreads and echoes of what once was. It's all so far from the "original text" that it's basically a joke at this point.
I mean, even the Loki series, which most people agree is one of the best Marvel Disney+ series, is now in season two of a spin-off about a variant of a villain who already had a full arc and died, who was then re-created when the heroes traveled back in time in the culmination of an already 11-year-old franchise at the time. I'm sorry but that's objectively comical, and such a perfect summation of the state of things, and there's just no way something like that doesn't eventually fall under the weight of trying to justify its own existence. Either way, it's perfectly fine for us to point that out and vent about it. It's not about us wanting it all to be "perfect" and exactly "to our liking," we just want things that don't feel like such leftovers and reheated meals anymore.
But I'm not blaming anyone TC, I'm saying that since I do like the shows, but most of the talk on the boards is how stupid they are, there's not much point for me to come discuss them.
I don't need you to like the shows that I do. But I do need to go find a place where I can talk to people about the joy of the shows. That's not really TexAgs for me for a lot of things. It's just the way it goes.
I don't need you to like the shows that I do. But I do need to go find a place where I can talk to people about the joy of the shows. That's not really TexAgs for me for a lot of things. It's just the way it goes.
Talk about shows on texags seems to break into three categories
- what folks liked
- what they hated
- predictions and theories on what comes next
The first two are helpful for when I'm trying to decide if a show is worth watching. If consensus is great, I'm more likely to give it a shot. If consensus is negative, I'm more likely to save myself the time. I appreciate that commentary.
But my favorite type of post is the third bucket. That "where do you think this is going?" banter. The irony is that whenever someone's prediction comes true, someone else will blow up at them and accuse them of having leaked spoilers. I wish we had less of that.
- what folks liked
- what they hated
- predictions and theories on what comes next
The first two are helpful for when I'm trying to decide if a show is worth watching. If consensus is great, I'm more likely to give it a shot. If consensus is negative, I'm more likely to save myself the time. I appreciate that commentary.
But my favorite type of post is the third bucket. That "where do you think this is going?" banter. The irony is that whenever someone's prediction comes true, someone else will blow up at them and accuse them of having leaked spoilers. I wish we had less of that.
Thanks and gig'em
The Porkchop Express said:
But I'm not blaming anyone TC, I'm saying that since I do like the shows, but most of the talk on the boards is how stupid they are, there's not much point for me to come discuss them.
I don't need you to like the shows that I do. But I do need to go find a place where I can talk to people about the joy of the shows. That's not really TexAgs for me for a lot of things. It's just the way it goes.
I totally get that, and while it would suck to see you go, I'm not trying to talk you into staying either. I'm simply trying to make the point that the current studio/streaming model is fundamentally broken, in that it's milking the hell out of IP to what most people feel are increasingly diminished returns. And because of that I don't know that you're going to find that place of joy anywhere else, seeing as the vast majority of people online inherently feel and recognize that brokenness/those diminished returns. Very few people like the current state of affairs, and those who do simply aren't online in the ways everyone else is.
KCup17 said:
There's definitely something special about Timely. Either he is going to be Evil Kang or he becomes the Conqueror of the Kang variants. Otherwise, in my mind, he wouldn't be the key to He who Remains succession plan.
My best guess at the loom repair is: I think the big pruning event would temporarily relieve the loom. But if branches are still forming simultaneously to that event then the need for that additional piece is still great.
Yeah, maybe the whole "I don't do partners" thing leads him to bringing in more of his own variants or something.
I really like the Renslayer is a Kang variant theory, since the whole thing in the first season was the Loki variant.jeffk said:KCup17 said:
There's definitely something special about Timely. Either he is going to be Evil Kang or he becomes the Conqueror of the Kang variants. Otherwise, in my mind, he wouldn't be the key to He who Remains succession plan.
My best guess at the loom repair is: I think the big pruning event would temporarily relieve the loom. But if branches are still forming simultaneously to that event then the need for that additional piece is still great.
Yeah, maybe the whole "I don't do partners" thing leads him to bringing in more of his own variants or something.
I also loved the rag-time Marvel theme at the beginning of the show.
It was hard not to let life influence art when I see Majors as Timely cowering in fear from physical confrontations, knowing how powerful a human he otherwise is from Creed and just his real physique.
I think the hardest thing about having Loki be in the show is sort of like having a Jedi with lightsaber. At any point he can just kill/disarm anyone and there's no real threat to his safety other than someone else with extraordinary powers.
Ms. Minutes is probably the most scary character in the MCU at this point. Looking forward to seeing what she can really do at the end.
YouTube, the ForceNet, and Comic-Con are all lovely places for exactly what I'm talking bout. I mostly use TexAgs to talk sports these days.TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:
But I'm not blaming anyone TC, I'm saying that since I do like the shows, but most of the talk on the boards is how stupid they are, there's not much point for me to come discuss them.
I don't need you to like the shows that I do. But I do need to go find a place where I can talk to people about the joy of the shows. That's not really TexAgs for me for a lot of things. It's just the way it goes.
I totally get that, and while it would suck to see you go, I'm not trying to talk you into staying either. I'm simply trying to make the point that the current studio/streaming model is fundamentally broken, in that it's milking the hell out of IP to what most people feel are increasingly diminished returns. And because of that I don't know that you're going to find that place of joy anywhere else, seeing as the vast majority of people online inherently feel and recognize that brokenness/those diminished returns. Very few people like the current state of affairs, and those who do simply aren't online in the ways everyone else is.
I have enjoyed most of these shows, and I still think this one is pretty good. Unfortunately my posting time has been diminished by a new job, so I can't offset the complaints as much 
The problem about character development has to be solely due to the short seasons. Sometimes I feel like nothing has happened and then bam! The show ends.
Oh, jealous and scorned Ms. Minutes is gonna be a fun ride.
Previous post hit on this regarding Renslayer being a Kang variant as a parallel to the 1st season. Loki fell in love with himself, why wouldn't Kang?
Although, the counterpoint would be that He Who Remains realized (or believed) that ALL his variants were dangerous and had to be eliminated. Why put one of them in charge of the TVA?
The problem about character development has to be solely due to the short seasons. Sometimes I feel like nothing has happened and then bam! The show ends.
Oh, jealous and scorned Ms. Minutes is gonna be a fun ride.
Previous post hit on this regarding Renslayer being a Kang variant as a parallel to the 1st season. Loki fell in love with himself, why wouldn't Kang?
Although, the counterpoint would be that He Who Remains realized (or believed) that ALL his variants were dangerous and had to be eliminated. Why put one of them in charge of the TVA?
You're a braver man I if you're willing to delve into YouTube comments, and there is no amount of money anyone could pay me to ever attend Comic-Con again, but if either float your boat, go for it. I haven't been to theforce.net in ages, but yeah, I could see that place still being mostly positive.
I do agree that Miss Minutes is scary as hell. She's such a fun, inventive character. There are rumors that she might appear in Deadpool 3, which could be amazing.
A thought on Timely and He Who Remains…
I think He Who Remains claimed to be from the 31st century of the Sacred Timeline (which is why that was the only timeline the TVA permitted), so I'm a bit surprised to see a younger version of himself in the 19th century of that timeline.
Either that's an oversight, or Timely might escape the TVA into the 31st century and become He Who Remains there.
Which raises an interesting thought… If this Kang is destined to become He Who Remains in some glorious loop, will that make him out to be a relatively "good" Kang who everyone learns to work with against all the evil Kang's?
And then, whatever crescendo this phase is working toward, it would climax with Avengers + good Kang vs Evil Kang's to restore the TVA and the one sacred timeline - or a new future where they allow multiple timelines, but the TVA is pruning Kang variants the moment they turn evil?
I think He Who Remains claimed to be from the 31st century of the Sacred Timeline (which is why that was the only timeline the TVA permitted), so I'm a bit surprised to see a younger version of himself in the 19th century of that timeline.
Either that's an oversight, or Timely might escape the TVA into the 31st century and become He Who Remains there.
Which raises an interesting thought… If this Kang is destined to become He Who Remains in some glorious loop, will that make him out to be a relatively "good" Kang who everyone learns to work with against all the evil Kang's?
And then, whatever crescendo this phase is working toward, it would climax with Avengers + good Kang vs Evil Kang's to restore the TVA and the one sacred timeline - or a new future where they allow multiple timelines, but the TVA is pruning Kang variants the moment they turn evil?
Thanks and gig'em
I haven't seen the specific quote myself, but I saw a bunch of headlines recently where Feige hints, in that new MCU book, that Secret Wars will ultimately reboot the entire MCU. In a way where they could basically start over from scratch if they wanted to. Personally, I think that sounds dreadful, but it seems to be where all of this is heading... a giant, multiversal war in 2027 that ultimately results in at least the opportunity to end/reboot the entire franchise.
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