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*****Lokie Season 2*****

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That was a solid finale. This season took a huge swing and man I respect the show runners for it. Best marvel experience since Wandavision?

I also liked that they stopped trying to explain things there at the end. They'd introduced a lot of rules, it was all starting to become a headache to keep track of, and that ending seemed to say "screw it, Loki is resetting everything, we're blowing up all the rules, just have fun with it."

Loki is now the most powerful being in the MCU. I wonder what he can do from that throne, and how the burden of the throne limits him.
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I guess I'm one of the odd balls here… did not like the final episode. I love Kang, and Majors has done an amazing job with him, sure hope this wasnt the end for him.
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I really liked the Back to the Future Part II vibe (seeing events again from the first installment, but from a different, more learned perspective), I thought some of the visuals were incredible, and I appreciated the themes Porkchop touched on.

But once and for all, this multiverse timeline sh*t just isn't for me.

Or, rather, there was a way the MCU could have handled it, with more intention and purpose and hand-holding... and then there was the haphazard, by-the-seat-of-their-pants way they actually did it. I get that the TVA was essentially meant to be a fun way to introduce all the exposition of how the multiverse works, and in many ways it was, but in the end, for whatever reasons, I'm just left more confused than ever.

And worse, I really don't care to fully understand any of it.

I of course get the gist, and understand Loki's sacrifice/purpose at the end, but more than anything it just made me long for the more straightforward, single-timeline, Earth-centric storytelling of the first three phases.
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But also...

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The first tweet is a quote from the head writer, while the second has been a persistent rumor for months now. Who knows what the truth is, and the wording of the former doesn't negate the latter, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I'd also be willing to bet that Loki Who Remains is eventually (and emotionally) reunited with Thor in Thor 5: They're Both Somehow Still Alive.

(In all seriousness, a fifth Thor movie is in early development).
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I would think that Loki gas to appear in one if the Kang movies, but who knows?
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I've mentioned before how much I really love this cast and they shined again in the finale even if Loki got the vast majority of the screen time. The conversation between Loki and Mobius about nature of callings and not finding peace was especially heartfelt I thought.

After sleeping on it and seeing the news about this being the last planned season, I definitely think this was done as an attempt to at least reduce the role Majors has in the MCU moving forward. Loki is now He Who Remains. Majors and/or variants (which could be recasts) might show up somehow in the future, but I think Marvel's trying to take a new trail without him as a major (haha) players. What that does to the Kang Dynasty film? No idea!

But overall I really liked this series. Probably more than just about any of the other D+ series they've put out there. The music, settings, tone, but especially the cast were a cut above.
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I did enjoy how the typical Marvel opening was played with the clips in reverse order.
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I think they are definitely sticking with Majors assuming he avoids trouble. They easily could have skipped the Hunter dialogue near the end where she and Casey talk about the Kang variants and specifically mention the Kang from Quantumania. No sense in including that dialogue if you're canning him.
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So what happened to grown Victor timely? He was a variant, so did they plop him back on his branch?

Also, they never explicitly explain how timely is a variant of a 31st century scientist. I assume that he who remains kidnapped a variant of himself and placed him in the past for safe keeping, and that is why that timeline is the sacred timeline. I was hoping that he who remains would say as much to loki.

I did like how the "see you soon" was literal. That variant literally saw loki again. In season 1, it appeared to be more figurative, as You'll see my variant.
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Yep and his face shows how happy and at peace he was with that sacrifice. Incredible evolution of the character.
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Looks like this finale is settling in around 9.7 on IMDB, which makes it the highest rated of the series. The only other time it touched 9.0 was S1 Episode 4.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9140554/episodes/?season=2
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The Porkchop Express said:

I think they are definitely sticking with Majors assuming he avoids trouble. They easily could have skipped the Hunter dialogue near the end where she and Casey talk about the Kang variants and specifically mention the Kang from Quantumania. No sense in including that dialogue if you're canning him.


I think the line was that that variant from "616 adjacent" (quantum realm I guess?) was dealt with though.
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TroyMc said:

Yep and his face shows how happy and at peace he was with that sacrifice. Incredible evolution of the character.


The "I don't want a throne!" line from earlier became pretty important later on as well. He learned that purpose implies some level of burden and sacrifice but was ultimately at peace with what he had to do to sit on that throne.
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Can somebody explain the renslayer scene? The pyramid and TVA seel under grown up vegetation?
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The Shank Ag said:

Can somebody explain the renslayer scene? The pyramid and TVA seel under grown up vegetation?


There was also some purple light. I assumed she's in a branch with another Kang variant and going to resurect their own new TVA to fight the other group
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kyledr04 said:

The Shank Ag said:

Can somebody explain the renslayer scene? The pyramid and TVA seel under grown up vegetation?


There was also some purple light. I assumed she's in a branch with another Kang variant and going to resurect their own new TVA to fight the other group


I think they banished her to that realm where all the Loki variants were in S1. (I miss Lokigator, btw)
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Great finale and season. This is what the post Endgame of Marvel should have been. Weird, fun, and finding solutions to problems that isn't killing the big bad at the end.

Loki chose The Golden Path there at the end.
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jeffk said:

kyledr04 said:

The Shank Ag said:

Can somebody explain the renslayer scene? The pyramid and TVA seel under grown up vegetation?


There was also some purple light. I assumed she's in a branch with another Kang variant and going to resurect their own new TVA to fight the other group


I think they banished her to that realm where all the Loki variants were in S1. (I miss Lokigator, btw)

Whenever someone is pruned, they are sent to the end of time. So that's where she has landed, the end of time, where all the lokis and that "guard dog" monster were.

The purple light suggests a Kang variant has traveled there and found her.
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Aggie_Journalist said:

jeffk said:

kyledr04 said:

The Shank Ag said:

Can somebody explain the renslayer scene? The pyramid and TVA seel under grown up vegetation?


There was also some purple light. I assumed she's in a branch with another Kang variant and going to resurect their own new TVA to fight the other group


I think they banished her to that realm where all the Loki variants were in S1. (I miss Lokigator, btw)

Whenever someone is pruned, they are sent to the end of time. So that's where she has landed, the end of time, where all the lokis and that "guard dog" monster were.

The purple light suggests a Kang variant has traveled there and found her.
I was thinking it may be the void they were sent to but I don't remember the pyramid of any TVA stuff there.

Also thought it may be Alioth that caused the glow, but a Kang variant would fit as well, maybe the one that was "handled" on earth 616 as mentioned by B-15

I'd love to see most of the main cast again, especially Mobius, Silvie, B-15, and OB
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Is Miss Minutes in Deadpool 3 going to have the movie rated NC-17?
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The Porkchop Express said:

Is Miss Minutes in Deadpool 3 going to have the movie rated NC-17?


Pretty sure Deadpool can manage that all on his own.

Actually Morena Baccarin can do that. Yes. That's a much better idea.
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Mathguy64 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Is Miss Minutes in Deadpool 3 going to have the movie rated NC-17?


Pretty sure Deadpool can manage that all on his own.

Actually Morena Baccarin can do that. Yes. That's a much better idea.
I believe you and I are the same page that if Morena Baccarin asked us to kill anyone on this board for her, we'd do it no questions asked.

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Quote:

Whenever someone is pruned, they are sent to the end of time. So that's where she has landed, the end of time, where all the lokis and that "guard dog" monster were.

The purple light suggests a Kang variant has traveled there and found her.
She was at the Void at the end of time. The purple light was Alioth coming to consume her. They are implying she is dead. Though, no onscreen death, so she could always come back I suppose.

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jeffk said:

I've mentioned before how much I really love this cast and they shined again in the finale even if Loki got the vast majority of the screen time. The conversation between Loki and Mobius about nature of callings and not finding peace was especially heartfelt I thought.

After sleeping on it and seeing the news about this being the last planned season, I definitely think this was done as an attempt to at least reduce the role Majors has in the MCU moving forward. Loki is now He Who Remains. Majors and/or variants (which could be recasts) might show up somehow in the future, but I think Marvel's trying to take a new trail without him as a major (haha) players. What that does to the Kang Dynasty film? No idea!

But overall I really liked this series. Probably more than just about any of the other D+ series they've put out there. The music, settings, tone, but especially the cast were a cut above.

I don't think any of it was a reaction to Majors' legal troubles. Maybe they cut a scene or two of his toward the end, but this whole thing was shot and probably close to locked in the edit before Majors had any issues. That said, yeah, it still created the absolute perfect opportunity to go a different direction if they need to. Thankfully, they'll finally have their answer here in another month or so, after his trial.
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Why do people think it will be easy to go forward without Majors? Loki didn't take his place, Loki used his god-like powers to become something beyond what one single Kang variant (he who remains) was doing managing the timeline.

All the other Kang variants are confirmed to still be out there via the end credits scene of Loki Season 1 when we see a billion of them in some version of the SEnate CHamber on Coruscant, and they all are definitely Jonathan Majors, then he's in Quantumania and everyone is terrified of him (except Michael Douglas), then he's in the end credits scene of that movie as Victory Timely, and then he's in this series as Timely again.

He Who Remains didn't die at the end of Loki Season 2, he was dead at the end of Season 1, but there's definitely still a movie called the Kang Dynasty on the books, and until they change that title to Avengers; Look out, it's Dr. Doom! , I expect him to be involved.
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Everything you're saying is true, but from a purely legal standpoint, it's 50/50 whether Majors returns or not. All indications are that if he's found guilty next month, he's done, but if he beats the charges, he's likely back. And no one has any idea which way it's ultimately going to go, but right now it's not looking great for Majors.

Story-wise, though, a lot of people, myself included, expected either He Who Remains or Kang to be looming over the proceedings by the end of this season, in a way that clearly and definitively pointed to him being the big bad going forward. What I definitely didn't expect was for Loki to take He Who Remains' throne at the end, with only a single, off-handed remark about there being other He Who Remains/Kang variants still out there. Even though all those variants are still alive, just the visual alone of Loki now sitting on the throne at the end of time, literally holding it all together, makes it so, so easy for Marvel to now say that the He Who Remains/Kang variants were somehow taken care of, pruned, Loki's holding them at bay with magic powers… whatever. Regardless, Loki on the thrown + the fact that there wasn't that final, menacing shot of, say, Kang rising from the ashes, gives Marvel options now.
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I cannot believe we got Yggdrasil the World Tree out of that
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Okay, that makes sense. I still have a hard time thinking this perfect opportunity to pivot away from Majors fall into Disney's lap without some machinations or intent. It'd be great if we had someone a little more close to the source to help us understand what went on.
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Ha, I'll put it this way... it *did* feel like there was a Majors scene missing at the end, when it jumped straight to him as a kid again back in the 1800s. I didn't get that at all. So maybe there was something more ominous, that hinted at things to come, that they omitted post-Majors incident.

That said, my overall point remains, in response to Porkchop, with Loki now on the throne, and how that, in and of itself, took the shine off of He Who Remains/Kang, or where we expected He Who Remains/Kang to be in the end. Seeing as that was clearly Loki's planned arc all along and wasn't some kind of pivot or reshoot. From day one, it's obvious now that Loki was meant to end up in control of all the timelines - or at least holding them at bay - thereby minimizing the appearance that He Who Remains/Kang is pulling any strings (which Loki is now doing, quite literally).
 
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