Almost as bad as the last Seinfeld. Depressing
Should have stopped at rogue 1
Should have stopped at rogue 1
The Last Jedi
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After 8 I decided to never see it. I've almost expunged 7 and 8 from my mind.
E9 was the first SW film I didn't see in the theater. E8 was that bad (the four leading up to that one weren't all that great either). I just lost interest. Watched it once after it went to Disney+. Haven't revisited that trilogy since.
FWAppraiser said:
E9 was the first SW film I didn't see in the theater. E8 was that bad (the four leading up to that one weren't all that great either). I just lost interest. Watched it once after it went to Disney+. Haven't revisited that trilogy since.
This! And it took me two tries to finally get through it on Disney+, it was that bad. Needless to say, I haven't rewatched ANY of this trilogy.
I'm hoping beyond hope that somehow a partial reboot retcons these from existence.
It would be awesome if Danny Boyce's vision for Yesterday came true, except instead of the Beatles, it's the final trilogy that gets erased.
There is a new SW film being made that will focus on Rey possibly rebuilding the Jedi academy, so that reboot probably isn't happening.An L of an Ag said:FWAppraiser said:
E9 was the first SW film I didn't see in the theater. E8 was that bad (the four leading up to that one weren't all that great either). I just lost interest. Watched it once after it went to Disney+. Haven't revisited that trilogy since.
This! And it took me two tries to finally get through it on Disney+, it was that bad. Needless to say, I haven't rewatched ANY of this trilogy.
I'm hoping beyond hope that somehow a partial reboot retcons these from existence.
I don't hate any SW movie. I saw each one multiple times in the theater. I have long defended the prequels as being way under-valued. Then along came the sequels to show what truly bad SW movies would look like. I have noticed that any time I want to rewatch a SW movie, it is never a sequel. I did actually enjoy The Force Awakens, marginally, even though it was basically a remake of the first movie. When they brought overt political bullcrap into The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker, I found myself less interested and more irritated with the leadership decisions from Kathleen Kennedy and artistic decisions from directors Johnson and Abrams. They violated the well established rules of their galaxy with Rey just being the most powerful Jedi despite no training; I believe that also was a political decision with that whole "The Force is Female" garbage that Kennedy had on a tee shirt. They desperately wanted a female Jedi to be the best the Galaxy had ever seen but just wanted it to be without requiring her to earn that distinction through hard work and a riveting character arc.
As compared to episodes 1-6, episodes 7-9 are bad movies, but they are masterpieces compared to a lot of truly awful crap that has been made over the years.
I've said it several times,but for all the faults of the prequels, they tried. The remakes were nothing more than rehashed paint by numbers, wannabe nostalgia garbage.
Disney's inability to write a good female led story is truly ridiculous.
This complete failure has been even more highlighted for me over the last week and a half, having binged Blue Eye Samurai and Arcane. Both shows are led by females who are incredibly well written characters.
This complete failure has been even more highlighted for me over the last week and a half, having binged Blue Eye Samurai and Arcane. Both shows are led by females who are incredibly well written characters.
But they did it with Rogue One. R1 is a masterpiece, IMO. I just don't get how they could nail it on that film, even with all the trouble they had with it in production, and then just lay an egg on everything else. I'm starting to think that Felicity's magic tays were the reason. I'm probably right about this.DallasTeleAg said:
Disney's inability to write a good female led story is truly ridiculous.
This complete failure has been even more highlighted for me over the last week and a half, having binged Blue Eye Samurai and Arcane. Both shows are led by females who are incredibly well written characters.
Rey needed to get her ass kicked stupid by some monster. Then kiss her brother. Like full on spit swap kiss. Then see her buddy get squashed flat like a grape. See her parental guardians torched to the bone. Have her dad kick the ever loving snot out her and then lop her arm off. Have said arm replaced by a mechanical one to remind her everyday that this "sh** is real bruh".Cinco Ranch Aggie said:There is a new SW film being made that will focus on Rey possibly rebuilding the Jedi academy, so that reboot probably isn't happening.An L of an Ag said:FWAppraiser said:
E9 was the first SW film I didn't see in the theater. E8 was that bad (the four leading up to that one weren't all that great either). I just lost interest. Watched it once after it went to Disney+. Haven't revisited that trilogy since.
This! And it took me two tries to finally get through it on Disney+, it was that bad. Needless to say, I haven't rewatched ANY of this trilogy.
I'm hoping beyond hope that somehow a partial reboot retcons these from existence.
I don't hate any SW movie. I saw each one multiple times in the theater. I have long defended the prequels as being way under-valued. Then along came the sequels to show what truly bad SW movies would look like. I have noticed that any time I want to rewatch a SW movie, it is never a sequel. I did actually enjoy The Force Awakens, marginally, even though it was basically a remake of the first movie. When they brought overt political bullcrap into The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker, I found myself less interested and more irritated with the leadership decisions from Kathleen Kennedy and artistic decisions from directors Johnson and Abrams. They violated the well established rules of their galaxy with Rey just being the most powerful Jedi despite no training; I believe that also was a political decision with that whole "The Force is Female" garbage that Kennedy had on a tee shirt. They desperately wanted a female Jedi to be the best the Galaxy had ever seen but just wanted it to be without requiring her to earn that distinction through hard work and a riveting character arc.
As compared to episodes 1-6, episodes 7-9 are bad movies, but they are masterpieces compared to a lot of truly awful crap that has been made over the years.
Spend a week in the galatic equivalent of Fort Polk with some crazy 800 year old wanker with everything trying to eat you.
Rey's story is just so Gen Y and Z easy. And it didn't even appeal to them apparently.
The last Seinfeld was 1000x better than the last jedi.
I didn't finish last Jedi. No clue what direction they were taking towards the last quarter of the movie so I just gave up.
My guess is Rey and Kylo end up going to prom right?
My guess is Rey and Kylo end up going to prom right?
Never understood how anyone can even defend the sequels.
This isn't arguing over things like midiclorians or bad CGI. The sequels were lazy and actively destroyed the original trilogy.
The New Republic essentially lasted 30 years. Leia was an outcast. Her and Han were split up. Luke bailed on everybody. They all died alone and separate without any reunion. Their lives essentially didn't matter.
And even worse, they brought Palpatine back and completely negated the Anakin bring balance to the force prophecy and sacrifice.
The prequels for all their flaws expanded the universe, brought in cool new characters (Maul, Qui Gon, etc). And the overarching story was a good one. The sequels didn't even have an effective villain.
This isn't arguing over things like midiclorians or bad CGI. The sequels were lazy and actively destroyed the original trilogy.
The New Republic essentially lasted 30 years. Leia was an outcast. Her and Han were split up. Luke bailed on everybody. They all died alone and separate without any reunion. Their lives essentially didn't matter.
And even worse, they brought Palpatine back and completely negated the Anakin bring balance to the force prophecy and sacrifice.
The prequels for all their flaws expanded the universe, brought in cool new characters (Maul, Qui Gon, etc). And the overarching story was a good one. The sequels didn't even have an effective villain.
The prequels are not good movies and do a lot of stupid things, but I'll at least watch them every now and then when they are on tv. I have no interest in seeing any of the sequels ever again.
Is this the "more times I watch it, the more I like it" thread?
When the sequels were being planned and announced I was like thank goodness there is NO George Lucas involved! But the main problem of them is well, there was no George Lucas involved. They missed his imaginative touch. So we got what we got which I originally liked them in the theater but now I'm like meh they're just ok and yes was lazy writing but if we'd have had George it would have felt like the prequels and I read that he'd have expanded on midichlorians no joke so they still would have been probably been a mess. We'd have gotten a better last look at Luke, Han and Leia though and not had them be what they were, especially Luke.
I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it. - Woodrow F. Call
RIP fun Star Wars.
I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it. - Woodrow F. Call
There are a few nice touches in Last Jedi:
The beginning bombers scene is cool.
Andy Serkis' Snoke performance is wonderfully menacing (and ultimately wasted).
R2 playing the "you're my only hope" message.
I like the throne room fight.
Given everything else, I think Adam Driver was great.
Other than that, I don't know. That movie has serious cringeworthy moments. I hope the reason why we haven't seen much Old Republic stuff is because the lore is being hardened so that writers and directors can't come along and just throw whatever crap they want and we end up with a jumbled mess like the sequels.
The beginning bombers scene is cool.
Andy Serkis' Snoke performance is wonderfully menacing (and ultimately wasted).
R2 playing the "you're my only hope" message.
I like the throne room fight.
Given everything else, I think Adam Driver was great.
Other than that, I don't know. That movie has serious cringeworthy moments. I hope the reason why we haven't seen much Old Republic stuff is because the lore is being hardened so that writers and directors can't come along and just throw whatever crap they want and we end up with a jumbled mess like the sequels.
The prequels were awful from jump because they insisted on making anakin a 10 year old at the beginning. Make him and Obiwan closer in age and it makes a lot more sense (why not even make it a love triangle between those 2 and Padme and you've got yourself honest to goodness motivation).
The sequels were just a mess. And making kylo a whiny baby was the worst part.
Rogue One is an absolute masterpiece.
The sequels were just a mess. And making kylo a whiny baby was the worst part.
Rogue One is an absolute masterpiece.
Careful now, you're likely to touch off a big conversation about how bombs don't fall in space. (Referencing a big back-and-forth on the main Star Wars thread a while back).Vince Blake said:
There are a few nice touches in Last Jedi:
The beginning bombers scene is cool.
Andy Serkis' Snoke performance is wonderfully menacing (and ultimately wasted).
R2 playing the "you're my only hope" message.
I like the throne room fight.
Given everything else, I think Adam Driver was great.
Other than that, I don't know. That movie has serious cringeworthy moments. I hope the reason why we haven't seen much Old Republic stuff is because the lore is being hardened so that writers and directors can't come along and just throw whatever crap they want and we end up with a jumbled mess like the sequels.
The Last Jedi had some really low lows, but there were some cool things as well. I think The Rise of Skywalker is a worse movie overall. It's the worst of the franchise and the only Star Wars movie where I walked out having zero desire to ever watch it again.
But the Rise of Skywalker did give TexAgs one of its greatest memes.Bruce Almighty said:
The Last Jedi had some really low lows, but there were some cool things as well. I think The Rise of Skywalker is a worse movie overall. It's the worst of the franchise and the only Star Wars movie where I walked out having zero desire to ever watch it again.
/insert "Somehow, Palpatine returned"
I don't know about you guys but I'm still waiting on episode 7. I am practicing selective amnesia and forgetting those movies exist.
Man this thread is a great example of how Star wars fandom can be so awful. None of the movies are truly bad and a lot of the complaints seem pretty dang silly.
For example
-Training doesn't really seem to matter. Anakin had a ton of it, Ahsoka never finished hers, Luke got a few weeks on Dagobah, and Rey got a little one on one with Luke. She's powerful because she's part of a force dyad. As we know it, Palpatine and Skywalker are two of strongest families representing both the light and dark. She connected via Ben Solo who ultimately gives his life to save hers. That's what makes her powerful, not the training regiment.
-people never die. Look at Darth Maul. How many times have we seen him straight up obliterated only to survive and come back.
-bombs falling in space. I mean is it that unheard of to have a mini tractor beam on each bomb? Hell chopper can throw a tracker from one ship to another while traveling at speed.
-at the end of the day, this is science fiction and rules can be bent or even broken. Generally speaking Lucas film does a pretty good job making sure all the properties don't contain conflict. There will be some deus ex machina moments but overall it's not as bad as people make it out to be.
For example
-Training doesn't really seem to matter. Anakin had a ton of it, Ahsoka never finished hers, Luke got a few weeks on Dagobah, and Rey got a little one on one with Luke. She's powerful because she's part of a force dyad. As we know it, Palpatine and Skywalker are two of strongest families representing both the light and dark. She connected via Ben Solo who ultimately gives his life to save hers. That's what makes her powerful, not the training regiment.
-people never die. Look at Darth Maul. How many times have we seen him straight up obliterated only to survive and come back.
-bombs falling in space. I mean is it that unheard of to have a mini tractor beam on each bomb? Hell chopper can throw a tracker from one ship to another while traveling at speed.
-at the end of the day, this is science fiction and rules can be bent or even broken. Generally speaking Lucas film does a pretty good job making sure all the properties don't contain conflict. There will be some deus ex machina moments but overall it's not as bad as people make it out to be.
I think this thread is an example of how a lot of Star Wars fans didn't like the sequels.
Cliff.Booth said:
I think this thread is an example of how a lot of Star Wars fans didn't like the sequels.
That's because the sequels were not made for Star Wars fans. They were made for woke Disney executives
The complaints about bad writing are hard to take seriously. The relationship arc between Kylo Ren and Rey is one of the most compelling and interesting out all of the movies.
You are all kinds of wrong. It was sloppily done and I never felt invested in it. The writing is atrocious.
DallasTeleAg said:
You are all kinds of wrong. It was sloppily done and I never felt invested in it. The writing is atrocious.
Some amount of storytelling is always going to be subjective, that a given. But the complaints I see most often are fairly minor or only exist in people's heads (see the reference to training above). It often comes down to personal preference as opposed to poor display of craft. Im not ot a huge fan of Metallica personally, but that doesn't mean I think they suck. They are all very talented musicians and I can recognize that and still not love their music.
I'm always curious to know how someone who sees the sequels as bad writing would change things to make it an example of good writing in their eyes.
Two of the three main characters story in the movie was entirely pointless. The third was retconned in the next movie to also be pointless.
I would disagree, but let's say you are 100 percent right. That doesn't even remotely make up for the fact the trilogy's entire arc was a glorified remake of the original. And that's before all the paint by numbers marketing crap they put into the films.
7 was the most disappointed I've ever been leaving a theater, wait 15 years for a new Star Wars movie, and you get an almost plagiaristic remake of ANH, which carried through the whole trilogy, just with different names and faces.
As to 8, outside of Luke's end and one or two small things, almost nothing was even needed for nine. Even Snoke's end didn't turn out to mean much when they just brought back another retread baddie for 9. It was a filler movie that advanced little, other than again a cheap knock off of five's most famous scene, when Kylo asks Rey to rule the galaxy with him. Not to mention things like the Mary Poppins scene, and the whole seemingly meaningless side plot with Rose and Finn.
But to each their own. All I know is that I've seen every SW movie in its first theater run, it's almost been like a holiday when they come out…and unless whatever comes next gets amazing reviews, I am done, Disney has wrecked it for me.
7 was the most disappointed I've ever been leaving a theater, wait 15 years for a new Star Wars movie, and you get an almost plagiaristic remake of ANH, which carried through the whole trilogy, just with different names and faces.
As to 8, outside of Luke's end and one or two small things, almost nothing was even needed for nine. Even Snoke's end didn't turn out to mean much when they just brought back another retread baddie for 9. It was a filler movie that advanced little, other than again a cheap knock off of five's most famous scene, when Kylo asks Rey to rule the galaxy with him. Not to mention things like the Mary Poppins scene, and the whole seemingly meaningless side plot with Rose and Finn.
But to each their own. All I know is that I've seen every SW movie in its first theater run, it's almost been like a holiday when they come out…and unless whatever comes next gets amazing reviews, I am done, Disney has wrecked it for me.
Ah yes, the annual Last Jedi thread.
Tis the reason for the season!
RE: Rose and Finns sideplot
It helps to understand that most characters fall into three categories based on affiliation. Light, Dark, and Scoundrel/smuggler. Thinking back in the story, all of the scoundrels we've seen have typically served the Light when push comes to shove (Beckett being a notable exception). DJ was a great example of a scoundrel who really is only serving himself and doesn't really have any other redeeming qualities. They had to figure out a way on board the ship with a code breaker and DJ solves that problem while showcasing a different kind of character that is usually seen in the movies.
As far as it being a rehash of the original series, I mean yeah I guess it is. But that holds true for all movies and literature. There are only like 6-36 types of plays/stories depending on what line of thinking you follow. The original trilogy is essentially the story of King Arthur.
It helps to understand that most characters fall into three categories based on affiliation. Light, Dark, and Scoundrel/smuggler. Thinking back in the story, all of the scoundrels we've seen have typically served the Light when push comes to shove (Beckett being a notable exception). DJ was a great example of a scoundrel who really is only serving himself and doesn't really have any other redeeming qualities. They had to figure out a way on board the ship with a code breaker and DJ solves that problem while showcasing a different kind of character that is usually seen in the movies.
As far as it being a rehash of the original series, I mean yeah I guess it is. But that holds true for all movies and literature. There are only like 6-36 types of plays/stories depending on what line of thinking you follow. The original trilogy is essentially the story of King Arthur.
I realize I'm in the minority, but I like Rey as a character. Sure she's a "Mary Sue,"; but I feel like that's common in these kinds of movies, so it doesn't really bother me. I think Rey and Kylo have good chemistry when on screen together.
I also think that as a standalone movie, TLJ isn't the worst Star Wars movie. Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are both worse. But as the second part of a trilogy, TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie. It completely destroys everything set up in the first without setting up anything for the finale. It makes it clear there was no overall plan for the trilogy. For that reason, I think it's fair to say it's the worst Star Wars movie.
It really frustrates me, too, because I like the four main characters/actors. They really had a great opportunity to go deeper into Finn's back story to let us understand more about how he became a storm trooper. Rey and Luke's training should have been awesome. Pretty much anything with Kylo was great. Such a wasted opportunity.
I also think that as a standalone movie, TLJ isn't the worst Star Wars movie. Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are both worse. But as the second part of a trilogy, TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie. It completely destroys everything set up in the first without setting up anything for the finale. It makes it clear there was no overall plan for the trilogy. For that reason, I think it's fair to say it's the worst Star Wars movie.
It really frustrates me, too, because I like the four main characters/actors. They really had a great opportunity to go deeper into Finn's back story to let us understand more about how he became a storm trooper. Rey and Luke's training should have been awesome. Pretty much anything with Kylo was great. Such a wasted opportunity.
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