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I agree in principle, but even Disney now admits to investors that their pursuit of environmental and social goals (going woke), poses a risk to their bottom line and brand value.

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Generally, our revenues and profitability are adversely impacted when our entertainment offerings and products, as well as our methods to make our offerings and products available to consumers, do not achieve sufficient consumer acceptance. Further, consumers' perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands.

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When the lawyers make them put it in an SEC filing, there's no pretending it's an imaginary or contrived problem.


ETA No idea if this link will work, but here's their 10-k: https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0001744489/000174448923000216/dis-20230930.htm

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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I think you've just misunderstood what people mean when they refer to "Disney," because that explanation is pretty close to what people generally refer to, even if they don't articulate it that way. It's not necessarily the execs, but more the organization as a whole and the nameless, faceless people doing all the day to day driving. People may often refer to the execs or specific people because they see them as authoritative heads of a body, but I think that's just a trap of oversimplification they fall into. Disney's wokeness is the aggregate result of how their employees approach their jobs and make creative decisions.

A more accurate way to put it might be that, "The culture of Disney demanded _____." There may be broad directives or initiatives that stem from executives, just like any company, but they cannot control every minute decision happening everyday. I think there is naturally a large handful of people who have great influence through position or popularity and can individually influence things, but ultimately the culture of the company and the aggregate wants and decision making processes of its employees is what is driving the bus.

Culture is in many ways self-perpetuating because it is self-selecting. Those doing the hiring will, intentionally or not, seek out people like them and people that fit with who is already there, not necessarily the most talented individuals. Those who fit well and follow the current culture will stay. Those who don't will probably leave. With that in mind, what you end up with is an organization with a lot of very similar people who have similar opinions, motivations, and goals. That lends itself extremely well to cultivating groupthink and decision making processes that inevitably lead to homogeneous results. I think that is kind of where Disney finds itself. They've created this culture of progressive, social activism, and it permeates through everything they do now. Unfortunately for them, half of their potential audience doesn't buy into the activist positions that have become engrained within that culture.

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fig96 said:

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Actually planning to, glanced at the channel and the creator looks interesting. At the moment I'm trying to keep a screaming 5 month old calm so kinda tough to pay attention.

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But keeping one hand free to thumb-out how much you dislike someone who didn't like a Star War.

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First thing you learn when you have a kid is how to hate Tweet one handed. Not being able to listen to things is harder though, I'm falling way behind on all my favorite socialist podcasts.

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TCTTS said:

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I've worked with and for these studios for over 20 years, and I'm telling you, their culture isn't nearly as liberal/similar-minded as you think. That's all I'm trying to say. I literally know these people. And for the most part, the only things they truly care about are making money and keeping their jobs. The great ones care about quality, and it's only a few movers and shakers of influence - be them certain execs, producers, writers, etc - who manage to turn some of these projects into their own activist causes. And so, given the cancel culture we've lived in since 2018, it's become increasingly harder for the bigwigs/more conservative/indifferent of the bunch (which I would argue is the majority) to say no. Now, however, that finally seems to be changing, seeing as the proof is in the pudding, and these bigwigs can finally point to five years of data and say, "See, this isn't selling."

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TCTTS said:

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I've worked with and for these studios for over 20 years, and I'm telling you, their culture isn't nearly as liberal/similar-minded as you think. That's all I'm trying to say. I literally know these people. And for the most part, the only things they truly care about are making money and keeping their jobs. The great ones care about quality, and it's only a few movers and shakers of influence - be them certain execs, producers, writers, etc - who manage to turn some of these projects into their own activist causes. And so, given the cancel culture we've lived in since 2018, it's become increasingly harder for the bigwigs/more conservative/indifferent of the bunch (which I would argue is the majority) to say no. Now, however, that finally seems to be changing, seeing as the proof is in the pudding, and these bigwigs can finally point to five years of data and say, "See, this isn't selling."

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TCTTS, I am mostly a lurker, but I have a question for you on this topic that's been discussed multiple times on this board. I do not doubt what you say. In the end, everyone has to feed their families. My issue with Hollywood isn't that they make movies that are centered around liberal ideology, but whenever there is a message that is "quietly" slid into a scene, I cannot recall a mainstream movie in the last decade that the "b plot" would be labeled right or center. It's always left of center.

A message that traditional marriage is the foundation of a strong society. Or merit based society is stronger than one based on equal outcome. I don't watch as many movies as you do, but the last one I can I remember walking out thinking "that movie reflected my values" was the Incredibles.

Am I off in this analysis. I'm not attacking and I think you take unfair barbs from others sometimes, but I constantly look at Hollywood and feel like the movies they put out are meant for only half of the country.

My wife and I just watched the Dr who special on Disney. Very pro-transgender and of course had a stereotype of people who disagrees with the movement portraying them in a negative light. Just another example.

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Bob Iger says creators at Disney have lost sight of what their jobs should be, entertain first, not messages.

He adds that stories infused with “positive messages for the world” can be great but that it shouldn’t be the primary job.

(Source: @sherman4949) pic.twitter.com/h7qKyqJE05

— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) November 29, 2023

Bob Iger says Disney is making too many sequels

"[Moving forward], we will only greenlight a sequel if we believe the story that the creators want to tell is worth telling" pic.twitter.com/L17UE7Qgx1

— Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) November 29, 2023

TCTTS said:

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I've worked with and for these studios for over 20 years, and I'm telling you, their culture isn't nearly as liberal/similar-minded as you think. That's all I'm trying to say. I literally know these people. And for the most part, the only things they truly care about are making money and keeping their jobs. The great ones care about quality, and it's only a few movers and shakers of influence - be them certain execs, producers, writers, etc - who manage to turn some of these projects into their own activist causes. And so, given the cancel culture we've lived in since 2018, it's become increasingly harder for the bigwigs/more conservative/indifferent of the bunch (which I would argue is the majority) to say no. Now, however, that finally seems to be changing, seeing as the proof is in the pudding, and these bigwigs can finally point to five years of data and say, "See, this isn't selling."

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There's a lot of change happening in the Mouse House, where Mickey will perhaps no longer be dating Minnie, but rather a gentleman mouse instead.

Karey Burke, president of Disney's General Entertainment Content, announced on a company-wide Zoom call Monday that as "the mother of two queer children"one transgender and one pansexual, she elaboratedshe intends to drastically ramp up queer visibility within the Magic Kingdom, increasing characters in Disney productions that are LGBTQIA or other underrepresented minorities by a whopping 50 percent by the end of 2022, according to the New York Post via meeting footage obtained by journalist Christopher F. Rufo and posted to Twitter.

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maroon barchetta said:

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I used to watch The Jeffersons, Good Times, and What's Happenin' if that helps.

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TCTTS said:

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And yet I was describing this EXACT person when I specifically used the words "certain execs" "of influence." Also, do you not think this instance was plastered all over this board (and F16) when it dropped? Either way, I'm AGREEING with you. I'm just saying she's exception not the rule.

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