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9:39a, 6/28/26
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My understanding of the Jimmy Olsen/Gorilla Grodd series is it'll be shot documentary style, like Spinal Tap, with Jimmy filling the Marty DiBergi role.

It could be fun, but to everyone's point here there should be some actual world building before the DCU starts doing stuff like this.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:47a, 6/28/26
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TCTTS said:
What in the world are they doing over there at DC?




I'd rather watch this than Super Girl
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In reply to CharleyKerfeld • 11:59a, 6/28/26
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CharleyKerfeld said:
TCTTS said:
What in the world are they doing over there at DC?


The romance story you never knew you needed.


Well I can't gif today apparently so whatever here's this instead….

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1:08p, 6/28/26
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Isn't this the beginning of who killed Jimmy Olsen?

https://www.dc.com/graphic-novels/supermans-pal-jimmy-olsen-2019/supermans-pal-jimmy-olsen-who-killed-jimmy-olsen-the-deluxe-edition
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1:31p, 6/28/26
AG
I'd watch the hell out of this as a show…


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In reply to TCTTS • 1:32p, 6/28/26
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TCTTS said:
I didn't like Superman. I'm tired of the Gunn aesthetic. I've been critical of the DCU. And I have zero desire to see this movie in theaters. I've made those points pretty clear. Also? Studios probably shouldn't be making female-led superhero movies, Star Wars movies, etc anymore, as they've proven, more often than not, to be giant wastes of money.

In other words, I don't have blinders on.

Once again, you're projecting.

I was literally asking what "this ****" in your post was referring to, that people are tired of, seeing as this movie isn't woke/political at all, yet you were seemingly making it political with your "normal Americans" quip.

Both points are completely accurate.
Nothing about this movie is woke, some people just decided it would be and now everyone is running with the talking point without ever seeing the movie. Its bizarre but has become standard.

On the flipside, you would think the industry would realize that its viewerbase isn't going to turn out for female led movies. You can have important characters be female, but it just hasnt worked as the lead. Doesn't make those movies bad, but they just dont work for the public.
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In reply to PatAg • 2:07p, 6/28/26
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Agreed. Also, I'm optimistic (or naive) enough to think that you could even have a female lead in one of these things, but it CAN'T be seen as a "for girls" superhero film - that's a box office killer still. For example, Thunderbolts' box office failure can be pinned on many things but having Yelena be the lead was not one of them IMO.

I was always of the opinion that Captain Marvel 2 should have had Rhodey as the #2. Kind of a new guard + old guard thing. Instead they went all-girl with 2/3rds of the team being Disney+ and it killed the franchise. Bummer. Captain Marvel (the character) might have been salvageable but they kinda doubled down on a niche and the vast majority of the audience said "no thanks".
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3:44p, 6/28/26
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Can't argue with any of this...


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James Gunn's biggest problem right now is credibility. He's either lying or doesn't know what he's doing.
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- First, he gets fired from Marvel for writing a lot of edgy, pedo stuff. I mean a LOT. He gets his job back for GotG, but the smoke lingers.

- Then, he gets a job to make a "new" Suicide Squad after the David Ayers bomb. When asked if it's a sequel or reboot, all he would say is "it's not the same." Never a straight answer. The film was sort of a sequel, maybe.

- Next, he makes Peacemaker S1, as a spinoff to Suicide Squad, that's mostly crass humor. Plus, he gets his wife a role in the show. Not a good look.

- Walter Hamada leaves WB. Peter Safran takes over, and he puts Gunn in charge of the "new" DCU. When asked how he intends to continue Snyder's work, he says he won't. New day, fresh start... and then continues to make Creature Commandos and write Peacemaker S2 with some of the same characters... including his wife.

- Fast forward to 2025. Superman is the first big film under Gunn. It underperforms. Too many side characters and a woeful misunderstanding of the Kents (just like Snyder). It's better than MoS, but not by much.

- And here we are. Supergirl is a flop (numbers below), trending #2 on opening weekend. Why? Terrible script when Gunn promised every script had to be "rock solid," but script writing was handed to a no-name writer, woeful misunderstanding of the source material (which was a poor choice in the first place), and all the upcoming shows/films look to be suffering from a lack of tonal consistency and cohesion.

Put them all together, and what do you get? James Gunn is over his head. No plan. Can't keep his story straight. Unable to deliver on his promises. His credibility as the man with the plan who "gets" DC is circling the drain.

Now, all things can be fixed with enough time, effort, and money, but the real question you have to ask with the WB/Paramount merger looming is: How much will the new owners spend to overcome, replace, or fix James Gunn's credibility?

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In reply to TCTTS • 3:55p, 6/28/26
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Yo what??? What edgy pedo stuff did he write when he was with Marvel? Not implying he didn't I'm just only aware of him with Guardians of the Galaxy and never got those implications with those films…

Heard of all the other stuff though in that post
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In reply to jokershady • 4:03p, 6/28/26
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Tweets from way back when, years prior to him working for Marvel. They were discovered / he was fired *while* he was working for Marvel. And just to be clear, they weren't, like, pro-pedo tweets or anything like that. Just stupid, off color jokes. I don't remember their contents, I just remember thinking "yeeesh," but then also thinking that getting fired for them was a bit much. I'm sure you can still find them somewhere.
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4:09p, 6/28/26
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I was leaning this way in a post or two a while back and now I'm putting my money down that Gunn gets let go after Man of Tomorrow.

And the comments in that tweet about Supergirl are what a few of us have been saying all along.

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Terrible script when Gunn promised every script had to be "rock solid," but script writing was handed to a no-name writer, woeful misunderstanding of the source material
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4:12p, 6/28/26
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I'm a DC comics nerd. I'm still operating under the idea that Gunn doesn't even really like superheroes. Plus, Batman is their biggest draw and I find it highly unlikely anything Gunn gets near could be better than what Reeves is already doing with that character.
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4:16p, 6/28/26
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I mentioned earlier that I don't believe Gunn's style, as established with Guardians of the Galaxy, works for DC. If he brings that style to his Batman film, I'll probably skip it.
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4:23p, 6/28/26
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I just have absolutely no desire for another Batman iteration right now, regardless. Let the Reeves Bat-verse cook for another few years. Trying to do another Batman alongside it would be so stupid.

In fact, after the DCEU, they had every opportunity to do separate universes for each of the main characters, and I wish they would have done so.

Let the Reeves Bet-verse do its thing.

Have a completely separate Superman universe.

Have a completely separate Wonder Woman universe.

Have a completely separate Lanterns universe.

Have a completely separate Flash universe.

... etc, etc. Some could be movies, some could be shows. Each in their own tone/style. But no cross-overs, no shared universes. Let that be Marvel's thing.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:25p, 6/28/26
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But that's not a Marvel thing. All of those characters eventually form the Justice League, and there's no way any filmmakers are going to say, nah, that's a Marvel thing.
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In reply to Cinco Ranch Aggie • 4:32p, 6/28/26
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Eh, no one cares anymore.
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4:46p, 6/28/26
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Speak of the devil…


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In reply to TCTTS • 5:10p, 6/28/26
AG
I have to agree with that second tweet, as the only reason you'd cast the DCU Batman this early is for a Man of Tomorrow appearance, which is halfway through filming.

Not to mention, it's increasingly looking like Adria Arjona is, indeed, playing Wonder Woman (though still not confirmed).

If so?

Gunn would be pulling a Snyder and introducing the main trinity in a Superman sequel, just two years after the first movie. Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman were released in 2013 and 2015, respectively, while Superman and Man of Tomorrow will be released in 2025 and 2027, respectively.

Kind of crazy.

If you're Gunn, though, I guess that's one way to try and ensure your job/role. Pull out all the stops for Man of Tomorrow, which would be pretty massive if so. Considering it would *also* feature Superman and Lex teaming up against Brainiac, along with appearances from Supergirl, Hawkgirl, Mr. Terriftic, Guy Gardner, and John Stewart.

If true, it's going to be wild (and potentially confusing for some) to see the next Batman on screen before we somehow see Pattinson again as Batman (Man of Tomorrow releases July 9, 2027, The Batman Part II releases October 1, 2027).
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5:29p, 6/28/26
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I think Campea does have some sources but will take something "iffy" and just run with it as well as just throw **** against the wall at times.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 5:45p, 6/28/26
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Very true. He's such an over dramatic dork too. That said… it's definitely something I can see Gunn doing. Especially if Wonder Woman is already in MoT too.
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6:18p, 6/28/26
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I get the Peacemaker criticism, but it's been surprisingly entertaining across a few seasons (and while the criticisms are valid his wife is good on the show). And Lanterns also might be my most anticipated series this year.

But overall, and even as someone who generally likes Gunn's stuff, he's definitely got a very specific tone that doesn't necessarily work for a broad market product.

As a whole it's hard to see a cohesive plan in all of the announced stuff, and that's been their problem from the jump (as well what Gunn was presumably brought on to solve).
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In reply to fig96 • 6:21p, 6/28/26
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fig96 said:
I'd watch the hell out of this as a show…


holy crap could you imagine if this was the plot of how the DCU started with a twist ending like that sixth sense style???

Meaning…make it a serious espionage type film and the hero (who maybe we don't know his name or he goes by several names) keeps somehow miraculously surviving hits on his life while he's uncovering some major conspiracy….only to find out we were watching a Superman movie the whole time????

Hell you could throw Batman in there too and not have that revealed until the end….that would've blown some minds
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In reply to jokershady • 6:56p, 6/28/26
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God I wish Hollywood would do more cool **** like this.
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In reply to fig96 • 7:06p, 6/28/26
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fig96 said:
I get the Peacemaker criticism, but it's been surprisingly entertaining across a few seasons (and while the criticisms are valid his wife is good on the show). And Lanterns also might be my most anticipated series this year.

But overall, and even as someone who generally likes Gunn's stuff, he's definitely got a very specific tone that doesn't necessarily work for a broad market product.

As a whole it's hard to see a cohesive plan in all of the announced stuff, and that's been their problem from the jump (as well what Gunn was presumably brought on to solve).


Yeah, I absolutely loved both seasons of Peacemaker. It's just weird that it, of all things, was the connective tissue between the DCEU and DCU. Or, rather, that there's any connective tissue at all. I get that Gunn spent a lot of time and effort on The Suicide Squad and the first season of Peacemaker. But they weren't worth the baggage/muddled signaling as to what the hell the new DCU was, exactly, when it began, etc.

Rather, it should have a been a clean break, and more time and effort should have gone into hyping the new direction. I said this earlier, but otherwise the whole new-direction thing just felt so sauceless. There was never this big build up or sense of anticipation. Instead, the DCEU just kind of fizzled out, then, a few months later, the DCU kind of slowly, uneventfully came into being.

It was just all so damn weird.

Not to mention so damn late as well...

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In reply to TCTTS • 7:44p, 6/28/26
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This is a pretty on point with me except for saying that Superman was better than Man of Steel. That's a terrible take, IMO. MoS was far superior.

Their idiocy and absurdity aside the Snyder online army was right about this.
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In reply to YouBet • 9:10p, 6/28/26
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I agree with you there. Though both movies are flawed, IMO. Still, yeah, I'd much rather rewatch Man of Steel than Superman.
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2:16a, 6/29/26
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A thousand times this...

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3:25a, 6/29/26
AG
James Gunn doesn't believe in the traits that define a classic hero....nobility, humility, selflessness, inherent goodness, serving something bigger than oneself, and sacrificing for others simply because its the right thing to do.

He can only relate to characters who are broken, and selfish, and end up doing good only as a result of some personal catharsis. At best he can create an antihero. That's why when he tried to do Superman his Supes was weak and self-doubting, the butt of jokes, and in the end argued to Lex that his weakness and self doubt made him human. Clark Kent might act human, but Superman is a God amongst humans, we don't want him to be human, James!

Superheroes draw us in precisely because they're supposed to be idealized versions of us. The perfect selfless, always-good, versions of us. Superman is the idealized version of us.

The problem is Gunn can't relate to and doesn't know how to write that.
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2:32p, 6/29/26
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Take with a huge grain of salt but i'm seeing that Campea's leak for the Gunn Batman casting says it's Tom Brittney.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2026/06/29/who-is-tom-brittney-the-dcus-latest-viral-confirmed-batman/

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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 3:19p, 6/29/26
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FL_Ag1998 said:
James Gunn doesn't believe in the traits that define a classic hero....nobility, humility, selflessness, inherent goodness, serving something bigger than oneself, and sacrificing for others simply because its the right thing to do.

He can only relate to characters who are broken, and selfish, and end up doing good only as a result of some personal catharsis. At best he can create an antihero. That's why when he tried to do Superman his Supes was weak and self-doubting, the butt of jokes, and in the end argued to Lex that his weakness and self doubt made him human. Clark Kent might act human, but Superman is a God amongst humans, we don't want him to be human, James!

Superheroes draw us in precisely because they're supposed to be idealized versions of us. The perfect selfless, always-good, versions of us. Superman is the idealized version of us.

The problem is Gunn can't relate to and doesn't know how to write that.

So I'd agree and disagree.

Superman and some other characters do fall into that bucket, Steve Rogers is another that comes to mind. But I think the idea of them struggling with their humanness can make for an interesting story, and I personally thought that was an interesting part of Superman. But I do agree that Gunn doesn't tend to see heroes in that light.

That said, lots of superheroes are very flawed individuals. Batman, Iron Man, Wolverine, Spider-Man, and lots of others all have massive personal issues, dark pasts, generational trauma, etc. Sometimes the interest in a superhero show is in seeing how a person with their own issues deals with suddenly having powers or new responsibility.
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In reply to fig96 • 4:00p, 6/29/26
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Oh absolutely. There's a ton of antiheroes, and plenty that are somewhere in the middle. I do think you mistakenly put Spiderman in that "middle group", when I would absolutely put him in the same group as SuperMan, Wonder Woman, Cap America, and even Batman. Yes Batman. I mean, Spidey is associated with one of the greatest lines in comic superhero history..."With great power, blah, blah, responsibility .....".

Spidey has issues, sure, but he always, always (until recently in the comics, maybe, I think) makes the selfless sacrifice needed because its simply the right thing to do for humankind and he's inherently good. Batman CLEARLY has issues, but his whole life is built around sacrificing his life and his mental wellbeing to keep people safe and put away the bad guys.

None of the few examples I've listed make the decision that "its OK to be my messy self and only be my own hero because I'm so busy wallowing in my own self pity". That's what I mean.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 4:49p, 6/29/26
AG
We may have to agree to disagree here.

Decades of stories of Batman and Spider-Man are filled with massive self-doubt, questioning their purpose, even quitting at times, even if in the end they end up doing the right thing. Batman's character could be literally defined as doing good for personal catharsis.
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In reply to fig96 • 5:21p, 6/29/26
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fig96 said:
We may have to agree to disagree here.

Decades of stories of Batman and Spider-Man are filled with massive self-doubt, questioning their purpose, even quitting at times, even if in the end they end up doing the right thing. Batman's character could be literally defined as doing good for personal catharsis.


Ehhh ok I'll concede your Batman point. But I'm holding steady on Spidey!
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 5:25p, 6/29/26
AG
FL_Ag1998 said:
fig96 said:
We may have to agree to disagree here.

Decades of stories of Batman and Spider-Man are filled with massive self-doubt, questioning their purpose, even quitting at times, even if in the end they end up doing the right thing. Batman's character could be literally defined as doing good for personal catharsis.


Ehhh ok I'll concede your Batman point. But I'm holding steady on Spidey!

Pretty much the entire 2nd act of the Raimi Spiderman 2
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