*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)

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9:25p, 5/6/26
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I taught the Odyssey to ninth graders for about 10 years.

This version doesn't look too bad at all.

I note that it even includes Odysseus' dog Argos, which is one of my favorite parts.

As Odysseus is approaching his home on his return to Ithaca, he is in disguise and cannot reveal himself, even as he comes upon the faithful dog he had left behind, a puppy then, now an elderly dog.

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As they were speaking, a dog that had been lying asleep on a large pile of mule and cow dung raised his head and p r i c k e d up his ears. This was Argos, whom Odysseus had bred before setting out for Troy but had left behind without ever being able to enjoy taking him on a hunt.

As soon as Argos saw Odysseus standing there, he dropped his ears and wagged his tail, but he was too old and tired to rise and run to his master. When Odysseus saw the dog on the other side of the yard, he dashed a tear from his eyes so his companion would not notice it, and followed his companion into the house.

But Argos passed into the darkness of death, now that he had fulfilled his destiny of faith and seen his master once more after twenty years.

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In reply to Mr.Milkshake • 11:34p, 5/6/26
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Mr.Milkshake said:
Do they really have a trans playing Achilles?

Jfc

At this point, nothing but speculation and stupid Reddit guessing.
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2:31p, 5/8/26
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I'm not sure that Page will be playing Achilles (the casting would be absurdly off). I'm not even sure that Achilles will even be in the movie outside of a shot of his armor and helmet laid out on that field of graves/bodies (probably post-defeat of Troy) that you see in some of the trailors.

My guess is that Page is playing Elpenor, one of the youngest and weakest members of Odysseus' crew that dies pretty unceremoniously. Elpenor was one of the first "spirits" that Odysseus meets in hades where he begs Odysseus to return and bury his body.
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3:03p, 5/8/26
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The only way I could see page playing Achilles in hades would be if Nolen wanted to portray an extremely diminished, broken version of Achilles unlike anything that we would envision of him.
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3:59p, 5/8/26
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I don't really have a strong opinion on woke culture, but the casting of Helen and Achilles (if true) really feels like Nolan did it specifically to troll.
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4:05p, 5/8/26
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If Nolan wants this to be an Oscar contender, he has to check off all the boxes to qualify.
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In reply to aggiegrad01 • 4:13p, 5/8/26
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aggiegrad01 said:
If Nolan wants this to be an Oscar contender, he has to check off all the boxes to qualify.


What boxes did Oppenheimer check?
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 8:37p, 5/8/26
Bruce Almighty said:
aggiegrad01 said:
If Nolan wants this to be an Oscar contender, he has to check off all the boxes to qualify.


What boxes did Oppenheimer check?


Making poorly educated millennials and zoomers consider the completion of the Manhattan Project a complex moral quandary rather than the only reason their great grandfather didn't die in Japan.
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10:20p, 5/8/26
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2:55p, 5/9/26
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I haven't really followed any of this, but I heard that Nolan took inspiration from Emily Wilson's 2017 adaption/translation of The Odyssey, which is apparently considered to be a feminist/progressive take on the story. I guess we'll see what that means.
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In reply to Seven Costanza • 3:01p, 5/9/26
I think we already are seeing what it means.
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In reply to Seven Costanza • 3:02p, 5/9/26
Seven Costanza said:
I haven't really followed any of this, but I heard that Nolan took inspiration from Emily Wilson's 2017 adaption/translation of The Odyssey, which is apparently considered to be a feminist/progressive take on the story. I guess we'll see what that means.


Huh? It's an excellent translation that uses iambic pentameter to try and recreate some of the flow and sense of hearing the Odyssey in the original. The result is a much quicker, snappier version of the poem that loses a bit of the depth of some other translations that expand out without the rhyme scheme.

I swear there's a way to drag personal politics into literally everything while blaming the other side.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 3:05p, 5/9/26
Cliff.Booth said:
I think we already are seeing what it means.


What it means is a certain kind of person who claims they aren't emotional like DEI woke people is getting rather emotional.
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In reply to Seven Costanza • 3:09p, 5/9/26
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Seven Costanza said:
I haven't really followed any of this, but I heard that Nolan took inspiration from Emily Wilson's 2017 adaption/translation of The Odyssey, which is apparently considered to be a feminist/progressive take on the story. I guess we'll see what that means.


Yet another rumor spreading on X with absolutely no sourcing, being hawked by no one with any credibility whatsoever. Same as with the whole Page/Achilles thing. Sure, both rumors might end up being true, but right now it's just a bunch of anti-woke ****-stirring slop looking for clicks.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 3:10p, 5/9/26
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Sapper Redux said:
Cliff.Booth said:
I think we already are seeing what it means.


What it means is a certain kind of person who claims they aren't emotional like DEI woke people is getting rather emotional.


Bingo. People just constantly on the prowl, looking for any reason whatsoever to be offended/virtue signal.
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3:20p, 5/9/26
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I'm also confused why Nolan of all directors is getting this suspicious treatment. He has and extensive filmography and doesn't have a history of any of the things he is being assumed to be. If any director has earned the benefit of the doubt to tell a story the way he wants, it should be Nolan. Getting upset about stuff in his movie before you see it seems very silly to me, especially for one of his movies, that whatever your qualms are with him as a filmmaker, he isn't one to cater to the political whims of the day.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 5:50p, 5/9/26
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Sapper Redux said:

Huh? It's an excellent translation that uses iambic pentameter to try and recreate some of the flow and sense of hearing the Odyssey in the original. The result is a much quicker, snappier version of the poem that loses a bit of the depth of some other translations that expand out without the rhyme scheme.

I swear there's a way to drag personal politics into literally everything while blaming the other side.

It's a crap, oversimplified translation for simpletons.
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In reply to agdoc2001 • 6:16p, 5/9/26
agdoc2001 said:
Sapper Redux said:

Huh? It's an excellent translation that uses iambic pentameter to try and recreate some of the flow and sense of hearing the Odyssey in the original. The result is a much quicker, snappier version of the poem that loses a bit of the depth of some other translations that expand out without the rhyme scheme.

I swear there's a way to drag personal politics into literally everything while blaming the other side.

It's a crap, oversimplified translation for simpletons.


It's not. It's a different style emphasizing the rhythm and meter to give a sense of the spoken nature of the original poem, something that the vast majority of translations don't offer.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:31p, 5/9/26
Sapper Redux said:
agdoc2001 said:
Sapper Redux said:

Huh? It's an excellent translation that uses iambic pentameter to try and recreate some of the flow and sense of hearing the Odyssey in the original. The result is a much quicker, snappier version of the poem that loses a bit of the depth of some other translations that expand out without the rhyme scheme.

I swear there's a way to drag personal politics into literally everything while blaming the other side.

It's a crap, oversimplified translation for simpletons.


It's not. It's a different style emphasizing the rhythm and meter to give a sense of the spoken nature of the original poem, something that the vast majority of translations don't offer.


It is, and it's well known
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8:40a, 5/10/26
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I just want to add that I hate you all equally.

Some more than others...at times.

You know who you are.
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2:43p, 5/10/26
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Achilles had a *****. Not sure why Nolan is considering that he was born with a vagina.
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 2:44p, 5/10/26
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lol. ***** is censored but vagina isn't
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 2:46p, 5/10/26
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Ghost of Bisbee said:
lol. ***** is censored but vagina isn't


I've always thought this was the funniest things on this entire site
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In reply to Ghost of Bisbee • 3:30p, 5/10/26
Ghost of Bisbee said:
Achilles had a *****. Not sure why Nolan is considering that he was born with a vagina.


She is a woman and always will be, mental illness won't change it
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3:42p, 5/10/26
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I'm more curious about Nolan depicting the Laestrygonians as large dudes in medieval armor. I know he's very anti CGI, but that interpretation seems way out there. You can still have the same cast of big guys with crazy makeup/prosthetics and strange weapons that would sell it, but just to say, "nah. Put 'em in 13th century European armor" just seems like an odd choice.
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3:46p, 5/10/26
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The modern sounding dialogue is what's really killing this for me.

"My dad is coming back."

"Let's goooo!!!"

It takes me right out.

The accents are irrelevant imo.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 4:39p, 5/10/26
Brian Earl Spilner said:
The modern sounding dialogue is what's really killing this for me.

"My dad is coming back."

"Let's goooo!!!"

It takes me right out.

The accents are irrelevant imo.

It gets worse when Odysseus tells Telemachus "With great power comes great responsiiblity."
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 4:43p, 5/10/26
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"My dad is coming back" definitely sounds weird. I bristled at that immediately.

On one hand, I like Pattinson's use of "daddy" to infantilize Holland's character, so if it's in response to that I can kind of understand it. But in the trailer it definitely sounds off.

Overall, I'm starting to get the impression that Nolan MIGHT be pulling a reverse Romeo & Juliet (the 1996 Baz Luhrmann version). Meaning, as opposed to using Shakespearian language in a modern setting, he's using modern language (and certain "updated" aesthetics) in a historical-ish setting. If so, the biggest tell (besides the use of daddy/dad, "Let's go!" etc) is having Travis Scott play some kind of storyteller or bard, which some suspect is blind singer Demodocus. Between that casting, the armor, the language, etc, it's almost as if Nolan is "modernizing" certain aspects, while keeping the story rooted in ancient times. Or maybe not even ancient times, per se, but rather some kind of alternate universe or timeline that's ancient-esque but with an ever-so-slightly modern/sci-fi bent.

That's my best guess as of now.

That said, I'm merely speculating on a message board, though I'll no doubt get accused of "policing," "goaltending," "bullying," etc by a certain someone and his cohorts.
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5:01p, 5/10/26
These casting rumors have got to be social media trolls attempting to rage bait. No way Nolan is dumb and woke enough to cast Ellen Page for that roll lol. No effing way. If so, one can only assume something is in the water in LA turning people crazy.
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:04p, 5/10/26
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We will find out this is a Marvel movie and it's another f'ing multiverse movie.

GD it!!!
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:05p, 5/10/26
First of all, you know I think of you as a friend and someone who always has my back , but I have experienced the cathartic experience of the fact that it is possible for multiple conversations to thrive on the same thread without the need to engage people who you disagree with regularly and vehemently.

If you don't respond to the posts, they have no power over you. You gotta be the bigger man and get past all of this stuff. When anyone tries to make it personal or goad you, just don't post. It's really difficult, but it will save you so much time and agitation to engage with people you like on the board who are up for likeminded conversations.
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In reply to CharleyKerfeld • 5:45p, 5/10/26
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CharleyKerfeld said:
First of all, you know I think of you as a friend and someone who always has my back , but I have experienced the cathartic experience of the fact that it is possible for multiple conversations to thrive on the same thread without the need to engage people who you disagree with regularly and vehemently.

If you don't respond to the posts, they have no power over you. You gotta be the bigger man and get past all of this stuff. When anyone tries to make it personal or goad you, just don't post. It's really difficult, but it will save you so much time and agitation to engage with people you like on the board who are up for likeminded conversations.


This x 1000. It's become obvious that your name is now a dogwhistle for posters who might have a total of 10 posts on F13 for an entire year but will suddenly appear out of nowhere when they feel like they can pile on you as some sort of proxy for Hollywood.
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In reply to samurai_science • 8:04p, 5/10/26
samurai_science said:
Ghost of Bisbee said:
Achilles had a *****. Not sure why Nolan is considering that he was born with a vagina.


She is a woman and always will be, mental illness won't change it

Ever stop and think you sound like an *******?
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Sapper Redux said:
samurai_science said:
Ghost of Bisbee said:
Achilles had a *****. Not sure why Nolan is considering that he was born with a vagina.


She is a woman and always will be, mental illness won't change it

Ever stop and think you sound like an *******?


Speaking facts makes someone an *******?
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