I think i lose points every week.

Rudyjax said:

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I think i lose points every week.

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Tough one this week. Five people in negative totals. Latecomer Goldie Wilson lost 36% of his points in one night.

Cirie and Sandra play 2 exact different games. Sandra was "anybody but me." Cirie is "who tf can we get off this island without pissing anyone off."

She knows what she's doing. The question is who else does?

Yeah I don't blame Christian for feeling dumped on.

Absolutely brutal for me post merge.

And great point about having to announce it at camp. That made it near impossible to navigate . You could have made it somewhat interesting to announce at tribal so you maybe have a scramble

CharleyKerfeld said:

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I considered taking more points from Christian and awarding them to Jonathan for Christian giving Jonathan his shot in the dark, but it's not technically an advantage since everyone has one and Jonathan couldn't do anything with it, so no points

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It was rough watching Christian completely crash out as I was doing the math in my head and I wasn't sure which way this was going to go.

What does everyone think about Jonathan returning the SID to Christian? Was it just a friendly "no hard feelings" type gesture or just a form of jury management?

I think it would have been better to be:

Win: get to put an extra vote in right there and control the information

Lose: Have to put a vote in for yourself and announce it at camp, but still get your regular vote or ability to play shot in the dark

This requires people to be crafty if they want to pile on and vote the person out. They can play their shot in their dark and they still have a vote that is in play as well.

Also, I feel bad for Christian because its clear he thinks the twist screwed him, but (and this could just be the edit) it was pretty clear he was the #1 target and probably would have gone home anyway.

CheeseSndwch said:

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CharleyKerfeld said:

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I considered taking more points from Christian and awarding them to Jonathan for Christian giving Jonathan his shot in the dark, but it's not technically an advantage since everyone has one and Jonathan couldn't do anything with it, so no points

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It was rough watching Christian completely crash out as I was doing the math in my head and I wasn't sure which way this was going to go.

What does everyone think about Jonathan returning the SID to Christian? Was it just a friendly "no hard feelings" type gesture or just a form of jury management?

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It's a good question, I think definitely jury management only because we know Jonathan has been picking the brain of Boston Rob for a while, and Rob was a pretty classic "I'm still your pal after slitting your throat" guy. if Jonathan make the final three, the question would then become - a) could Christian figure out that Jonathan lied right back to his face about not voting him out, making the return of the die kind of a dick move? and b) if Christian straight up asked Jonathan about it at a final tribal, would Jonathan try to lie his way out of it?

I found Jonathan and Joe's terrible lying to Devens last night really fascinating. Especially Joe. He is a really angry liar. The less you believe his lie, the bigger his eyes get and the tighter his jaw gets. I can't figure out why they were so dead set on trying to tell Rick they weren't going to vote for him originally when everyone knew they were allied with Coach and Chrissy.

I was thinking about who's left, and it's a really odd bunch: Five people who are among the most physically impressive the game has ever seen: Joe, Ozzy, Jonathan, Stephenie, and Tiff. Three impressive strategists: Rizzo, Aubry, and Cirie, and a couple of court jesters in Rick - the idol king - and Emily, who feels like Jar Jar Binks along for the ride with the Jedi Council, just staggering along hitting her head on things, screwing everything up, and somehow not dying.

Here's one more update, point leaders by players in the game:

Tiff 38
Joe 31

Stephenie 24.5
Ozzy 23.5
Jonathan 21.5
Aubry 20

Genevieve 19
Chrissy 18
Coach 16
Rizzo 15.5
Cirie 15.5

Dee 14.5
Christian 12.5
Rick 11.5
Kamilla 11.5
Emily 10.5
Colby 10

Charlie 0

Kyle -2
Angelina -3
Savannah -3.5
Q -4
Mike -4.5
Jenna -6

CheeseSndwch said:

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CharleyKerfeld said:

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I considered taking more points from Christian and awarding them to Jonathan for Christian giving Jonathan his shot in the dark, but it's not technically an advantage since everyone has one and Jonathan couldn't do anything with it, so no points

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It was rough watching Christian completely crash out as I was doing the math in my head and I wasn't sure which way this was going to go.

What does everyone think about Jonathan returning the SID to Christian? Was it just a friendly "no hard feelings" type gesture or just a form of jury management?

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It was both jury management and he really seems like a good guy and wanted to make sure he had a souvenir.

I can't wait til Christian goes on Kimmel tho.

Or is it Fallon? I don't really care.

CheeseSndwch said:

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CharleyKerfeld said:

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I considered taking more points from Christian and awarding them to Jonathan for Christian giving Jonathan his shot in the dark, but it's not technically an advantage since everyone has one and Jonathan couldn't do anything with it, so no points

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It was rough watching Christian completely crash out as I was doing the math in my head and I wasn't sure which way this was going to go.

What does everyone think about Jonathan returning the SID to Christian? Was it just a friendly "no hard feelings" type gesture or just a form of jury management?

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I thought it was spiking the football, trying to take credit for the vote off.

Jonathan seems like he'd have a tough path to victory if he made the finals. On the jury, no way Christian or Dee is voting for him. No way Devens or Emily or Tiff would vote for him. That's already 5 people not interested in giving him support out of an eventual 11 person jury.

Are they no longer doing the Ponderosa videos that show what the jury members are doing after they get voted off? That was one of my favorite things from some of the past seasons.

The question is who can use Cirie long enough before they extinguish her.

Steph can. Obviously Rizo can. Devens can, and that's why she's about to send him home. And he knows it.

So, is it fair to say, "Never volunteer for exile?"

If someone picks you, then it's just the breaks. It seems like on exile, the punishment for failure always outweighs the reward.

Biggest issue with this twist with Fallon is it would've been better to not announce it and have Christian scrambling knowing he has a vote. It made it an easy vote out for them.

It's starting to seem that way. When you have people volunteering to go (four did so at the last immunity challenge), the punishment needs to be harsh. At first, I thought the punishment for Christian was unduly harsh, but I guess it needs to be if people are going to keep trying to go.

The other thing is these challenges are designed to be completed within the given time. So it's not like they're intentionally getting screwed over if they go.

They're only volunteering if they're already stuck, and need whatever advantage *might* exist.

Christian was headed home anyway, and knew it, so was trying to pull whatever he could.

Cirie knew she wasn't, so wanted to see what she could pick up.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Devens aggressively volunteering to try to get out there next ep.

"The middle" is a hilarious term, and these people have all done this enough to know if they're in it. The fact that it's just being openly discussed (as we're seeing) is hilarious.

I'm sure it's openly discussed every season, we just aren't shown it bc of editing.

Ozzy lost the RPS game to Christian. Lucky for him. Otherwise, he would have failed the puzzle and had to vote against himself.

zap said:

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Ozzy lost the RPS game to Christian. Lucky for him. Otherwise, he would have failed the puzzle and had to vote against himself.

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He has his idol.

Good interview with Christian on EW. Says he would have voted for Ozzy if he had won the journey, not realizing how tight Cirie was with Ozzy.

https://ew.com/survivor-50-christian-hubicki-reacts-vote-himself-out-interview-11956430

He definitely panicked. The puzzle was not that difficult. He was trying to fit pieces in without looking at them.

HTownAg98 said:

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He definitely panicked. The puzzle was not that difficult. He was trying to fit pieces in without looking at them.

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100%. I kept saying to my wife, he needs look at the pictures/words on the puzzle pieces instead of trying to just fit the pieces. Really frustrating because he was one of my players and he is usually a lot better than he played on that challenge.

Ag87H2O said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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He definitely panicked. The puzzle was not that difficult. He was trying to fit pieces in without looking at them.

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100%. I kept saying to my wife, he needs look at the pictures/words on the puzzle pieces instead of trying to just fit the pieces. Really frustrating because he was one of my players and he is usually a lot better than he played on that challenge.

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Now that we're getting down to crunch time, I have to laugh at the tight feeling I get in my stomach when one of my picks is in danger of getting voted off.

I love Survivor, but it feels like no matter what happens on season 51, it's going to be a massive letdown from this fantastic season.

HTownAg98 said:

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He definitely panicked. The puzzle was not that difficult. He was trying to fit pieces in without looking at them.

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For an obviously smart guy, he's historically not performed well on puzzles. His partners usually have to take them over. I think his capability to be a spaz is even greater than his intellectual capability.

zap said:

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I have no issue with him failing and being "punished" for the puzzle.

It was an absolute killer to force him to read a letter aloud back at camp revealing said punishment. He had no wiggle room.

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I would've like to see him struggle knowing his name is in the box.