ATF says gun owners have 120 days to comply with new pistol stabilizer laws

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****ing socialists yet again trying to steal our guns. The liberty tree is dying of thirst.

Basically changing the rules that require guns with a stabilizing brace to be labeled a short barrel rifles requiring a stamp. Even though the ATF originally said they were legal.

**** these communists, Texas better fight back.

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Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.


Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.
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Ronald Reagan said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
ChemEAg08
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C@LAg said:

i predict a SC stay in the near term.


I pray to God you are right.

It only took SCOTUS to stop the insanity of the forced rona shot.
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Where is the FBI when you need the to organize an armed protest: Not here... yet
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Seems like they are trying to rush compliance because they know it will be reversed. It's the leftist tactic in recent years. They knowingly overreach and hope people will comply before they are thwarted.
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ChemEAg08 said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.


Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.
Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.
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WaltonAg18 said:

ChemEAg08 said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.


Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.
Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.


Would you surrender them if the government insisted you do?
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Dr. Mephisto said:

WaltonAg18 said:

ChemEAg08 said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.


Says the guy that voted for leftists that are dying to take our guns.
Swing and a miss, champ.

Proud firearm owner several times over.


Would you surrender them if the government insisted you do?
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Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
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I hope every ATF person that is been appointed has alternative employment plan around Jan 20th 2025…. They're all unemployed that afternoon I suspect. Then their dumb random politicized decisions and intentional spiteful slow down of lawful permit approvals can be corrected.
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WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

Teslag
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Fort worth judge will come through with a nation wide injunction
deddog
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You can comply with this fascist rule and have the ATF show up at your door anyway.
Or take a stand, and have those democrat ****ers come and take it.

Do.Not.Comply.
WaltonAg18
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deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.


/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.
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Buck Turgidson said:

Seems like they are trying to rush compliance because they know it will be reversed. It's the leftist tactic in recent years. They knowingly overreach and hope people will comply before they are thwarted.
Obama playbook. Make low-effort messes that initiate lawfare - knowing theyll get legally reversed but leave a wake of interim damage to your enemies or the system (in this case inserting uncertainty and waste and banking trouble into gun manufacture / distribution / sale).

The primary issue is that the cost for executive order and/or administrative state overreach is near zero while the cost to Joe T Public is double (paying your lawyers to tee off against the administrative state's lawyers who are paid through taxes).
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I didn't mean to beat you so bad baby, you just make me so crazy I can't help myself

That's what you sound like

deddog
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WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

to
/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.
Stop hiding behind the "Rs" didn't have a candidate skirt.

The ATF tried to pass this bull**** while Trump was President and was thwarted.

Biden said he would go after "assault weapons".
He is doing exactly what he said he would, and you voted for it.

And for all your talk, i have ZERO doubt you would vote to load the rest of us into boxcars.

if you voted democrat, you absolutely and unequivocally voted for this.
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deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

to
/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.
Stop hiding behind the "Rs" didn't have a candidate skirt.

The ATF tried to pass this bull**** while Trump was President and was thwarted.

Biden said he would go after "assault weapons".
He is doing exactly what he said he would, and you voted for it.

And for all your talk, i have ZERO doubt you would vote to load the rest of us into boxcars.

if you voted democrat, you absolutely and unequivocally voted for this.
I didn't vote Democrat, so your entire argument is baseless.

Trump easily could have worked to get more protections in place for lawful firearm holders and he chose not to.
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Sadly, the removal of our civil liberties is a punch line for many on both sides of the aisle
deddog
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WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

to
/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.
Stop hiding behind the "Rs" didn't have a candidate skirt.

The ATF tried to pass this bull**** while Trump was President and was thwarted.

Biden said he would go after "assault weapons".
He is doing exactly what he said he would, and you voted for it.

And for all your talk, i have ZERO doubt you would vote to load the rest of us into boxcars.

if you voted democrat, you absolutely and unequivocally voted for this.
I didn't vote Democrat, so your entire argument is baseless.

Trump easily could have worked to get more protections in place for lawful firearm holders and he chose not to.


Then I owe you an apology. And agree on Trump not doing more .
He should have disbanded the ATF at the very least
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WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

to
/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.
Stop hiding behind the "Rs" didn't have a candidate skirt.

The ATF tried to pass this bull**** while Trump was President and was thwarted.

Biden said he would go after "assault weapons".
He is doing exactly what he said he would, and you voted for it.

And for all your talk, i have ZERO doubt you would vote to load the rest of us into boxcars.

if you voted democrat, you absolutely and unequivocally voted for this.
I didn't vote Democrat, so your entire argument is baseless.

Trump easily could have worked to get more protections in place for lawful firearm holders and he chose not to.


Libertarian candidate wanted the same.
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WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.


/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.

You're liberal thru and thru. Nobody believes that BS coming from you.
WaltonAg18
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deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

deddog said:

WaltonAg18 said:

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
You voted for this shi$

And not only will you comply, you will rat on the rest of us.
No one buys your righteous bull*****

YOU voted to make 40 million fellow american felons because they didn't vote for our pedo.

to
/I/ didn't vote for any of this nonsense. Own your own shortcomings.

It isn't my fault y'all couldn't find a single effective candidate to outrun a literal vegetable waiting to be thrown into the compost heap.

If the republicans had a modicum of sense, organization, or the ability to avoid the most obvious of grifts, we would still be under a government with at least a vague semblance of direction.

Instead we deal with legislation like this, infringing on the clear rights of the working class to defend themselves. Because republicans are too busy trying to own the libs to actually get anything done in this country.
Stop hiding behind the "Rs" didn't have a candidate skirt.

The ATF tried to pass this bull**** while Trump was President and was thwarted.

Biden said he would go after "assault weapons".
He is doing exactly what he said he would, and you voted for it.

And for all your talk, i have ZERO doubt you would vote to load the rest of us into boxcars.

if you voted democrat, you absolutely and unequivocally voted for this.
I didn't vote Democrat, so your entire argument is baseless.

Trump easily could have worked to get more protections in place for lawful firearm holders and he chose not to.


Then I owe you an apology. And agree on Trump not doing more .
He should have disbanded the ATF at the very least
I appreciate that.

I regard the ATF the same way I think of the TABC - bloated, overpowered, and against the overall interest of the average citizen. I heavily support any movement to take power away from government and return it to the people.
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Trump had the atf do the same **** for bump stocks. And the USSC didn't stop the ban initially. I think recently a court finally tried to stay the ban.
My understanding is there have been some recent USSC rulings on the "deference" (chevron rule I think?) that agencies have to "interpret" the law (aka make new law that they want and twist existing law). Hopefully this court puts a stop to most, if not all, of it. Our congress has given way too much power to executive branch which just puts it on these agencies to essentially make the law as they see fit.

something initially legal and then illegal based on an "interpretation" by unelected bureaucrat is complete BS. The law is the law, written and enacted by elected and accountable people.
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Love Gun said:

No.

Username checks out?
Tom Doniphon
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They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.
WaltonAg18
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I like my guns too much to be a liberal. I've actually changed the minds of many true liberals on gun control.

Most of them think that enacting gun control in the form of additional licensure and background/mental health checks and enforcing harsher punishments when the slightest infraction occurs. But that argument is easily countered with the fact that the former only lends itself to keeping firearms out of the hands of the less financially fortunate, while the latter disproportionately affects the working class and prevents people from protecting themselves and their loved ones.
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Tom Doniphon said:

They've made their rule... now we get to watch them try to enforce it.

Most of the legals I've heard today said don't do anything for 60 days. They're predicting it will get whacked.
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WaltonAg18 said:

I like my guns too much to be a liberal.

Your posting history says otherwise.

But I could be wrong now because maybe you are exiting the standard youthful bleeding heart phase and learning the benefits of conservatism… but we will see.
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