Here we are. Remember the judge has already appointed a foreperson, a female juror, so that part of housekeeping is out of the way. Counsel objected to excusal of the lone remaining alternate juror so that juror will be kept in a separate room away from the deliberation room. Sucks for that juror.

Will the Judge make them deliberate over the weekend if they haven't come to a decision by then? We don't know.

aggiehawg said:

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Here we are. Remember the judge has already appointed a foreperson, a female juror, so that part of housekeeping is out of the way. Counsel objected to excusal of the lone remaining alternate juror so that juror will be kept in a separate room away from the deliberation room. Sucks for that juror.

Will the Judge make them deliberate over the weekend if they haven't come to a decision by then? We don't know.

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Not sure about South Carolina, but in most places alternates are not allowed in the deliberations, and it is usually the defendant's call as to whether the jury get sequestered or not.

Not guilty...

I think they will find him guilty, I'd vote innocent. Not enough evidence in my opinion to prove it was him who pulled the triggers. If it was just one gun used I'd prolly say he's guilty, but with two different guns, and the other facts it would be a hard call to say without a doubt he did it.

Me personally if I was on the jury: Not guilty

I think its now 50/50 hung/guilty

We'll see

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I think they will find him guilty, I'd vote innocent. Not enough evidence in my opinion to prove it was him who pulled the triggers. If it was just one gun used I'd prolly say he's guilty, but with two different guns, and the other facts it would be a hard call to say without a doubt he did it.

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there is no such thing as "innocent" in a court of law

there is "guilty" and "not guilty"

he could have murdered them both and still be found not guilty

that doesn't mean he is innocent

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Not sure about South Carolina, but in most places alternates are not allowed in the deliberations, and it is usually the defendant's call as to whether the jury get sequestered or not.

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In all jurisdictions alternates are never in deliberations unless a formal juror member drops out. And if that happens, they are supposed to start deliberations all over again. But alternates are allowed to go home after being admonished about not talking about the case nor getting any information about the trial.

But we are down to one alternate left. So the defense, worried about a potential mistrial, requested that alternate remain in the courthouse during deliberations. Not in the deliberation room but elsewhere in the courthouse.

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Guilty as hell. Too many lies and requests of others to lie for him.

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lies <> murder.

What evidence did you hear during the trial (not on netflix) that makes you say "guilty as hell"

never underestimate the ability for crappy prosecution teams to F things up and fail to present their case beyond reasonable doubt, nor should you ever underestimate the low intelligence or the emotions within a jury of your peers.

Are we doing a time pool?

I pick two days so Monday about this time.

I have no earthly idea

I think this is one of those high profile cases that jurors end up deciding based on what the public wants them to do.

So he's going to be found guilty.

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never underestimate the ability for crappy prosecution teams to F things up and fail to present their case beyond reasonable doubt, nor should you ever underestimate the low intelligence or the emotions within a jury of your peers.

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As Branca always says, "Appeals are for losers" but should he be convicted, there were enough screw ups in this trial to warrant an appeal.

I believe they will come back with not guilty....my 2nd choice would be hung jury... with guilty being least likely.

I'm PRETTY sure he did it or at the very least, he was heavily involved in the murder.

I simply need to know that his alibi completely fell apart after Paul's Snapchat video proved he was at the kennel right before the murders. He admitted on the stand that he lied about that. The shirt he was wearing in the earlier video that Paul took also mysteriously disappeared. The cellphone and Onstar data also paint a very damning picture. This guy is nothing more than a very convincing liar who has made a living perfecting his craft.

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Are we doing a time pool?

I pick two days so Monday about this time.

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We haven't heard if the judge will order them to deliberate over the weekend. He's actually smart not to signal that ahead of time. If they get to six or seven tomorrow night and still haven't reached a decision he can then order them back on Saturday. This being the South, doubt he'd hold them over on a Sunday since they apparently are not being sequestered.

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Are we doing a time pool?

I pick two days so Monday about this time.

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If you are correct, I'll be reporting for a Jury pool in Travis County at that time.

If I'm in the jury room, not guilty. Too many key data gaps and I would be turned off by some of the prosecution's antics. The pellets and angle for the second shot on Paul make absolutely no sense for how the state presented it if you have any remedial shotgun experience. My wife watched the netflix deal and no portion of the trial and when I asked her what she thought, she said "POS for sure, but why did he use two different guns? That doesn't make much sense."

Gut feeling is that this jury is going to go a while and come back once or twice until the judge says to keep going and the last holdout craters for guilty.

Edited to add Tuesday 2:30 EST.

I suspect a majority of the jury wants to convict, but will be some holdouts that force the issue and ultimately he is found not guilty. I just don't see the evidence to convict.

I'm going hung jury. Judge let too much BS in and I'm sure there are at least a few on the jury that won't be able to get over the fact that he's such a grade A POS.

I still think he had some hand in it, but wasn't expecting them to get shot so many times/head blown off. I just can't get over him saying "they did him so dirty". That just does not sit well with me.

That being said…if I were on the jury based on the charges that were brought against him vs evidence presented. He's not guilty.

AnglerAg92 said:

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The cellphone and Onstar data also paint a very damning picture. This guy is nothing more than a very convincing liar who has made a living perfecting his craft.

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Then he has his phone and Maggie's phone on his person when he ditches it by the side of the road, yet they weren't able to easily prove this? And wouldn't the steps be similar that they spent so much time on?

My opinion is he is guilty. Not going to rehash the entire trial.

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I suspect a majority of the jury wants to convict, but will be some holdouts that force the issue and ultimately he is found not guilty. I just don't see the evidence to convict.

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And the jury instructions and verdict forms are clear. They have to find A, B, C, D each and all beyond a reasonable doubt to convict. They can't get the guns in his hands because they don't have the murder weapons.

Even state's experts could not definitively rule out the presence of a second shooter that night. That's reasonable doubt for the charges filed agaist him. The charges are he acted alone.

What is the theory on why he would murder his wife in son?

cheeky said:

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What is the theory on why he would murder his wife in son?

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Motive?

Prosecution claimed his financial problems were so great that he murdered them because???

They never filled in those question marks. No insurance on either Paul or Maggie. No financial advantage to Alex accrues from their deaths. BUT somehow, getting a small continuance for a hearing for a motion in the boat case was some kind of existential threat to him?

Any experienced trial attorney doesn't sweat hearings like that. And a continuance does not make a motion go away, doesn't make the underlying case go away so it is not a permanent solution to anything for Alex. Ended the criminal case against Paul for the boat accident. That's about it.

Finally an expert weighs in

People keep asking me my opinion of the Alex Murdaugh trial. pic.twitter.com/G7F7F3S83Z

— O.J. Simpson (@TheRealOJ32) March 2, 2023

Well played sir!

He did not look for the real killer either.

And, according to #blacktwitter, is the only guy ever arrested for stealing back his own stuff.

Orenthal did it.
I'm out

Approaching 6 PM in SC. When will the judge let the jury go for the evening?

Guilty IMO because there is simply no "reasonable alternative explanation" for the following evidence:

• No one knew that PM & MM would even be at Moselle
• PM's phone video puts AM at the murder scene (which AM lied about multiple times to everyone).
• In AM's testimony, he states that no one else was there and that the dogs & guineas would have been making a racket if someone else was there. No other evidence presented that anyone else was there.
• PM is on his phone constantly & MM on her phone regularly and then activity ceases on BOTH phones within seconds of each other and less than 3 minutes after the end of the kennel video with AM identified. PM is actively engaged in two text conversations, literally reads a text seconds before his phone activity ceases and receives a text that is never read seconds after his phone activity ceases. Don't see how that doesn't pinpoint exact time of murders.
• PM is shot from close range with no defensive wounds
• PM & MM are killed by the same types of ammo that's all over the property
• Murdaugh-owned weapons at Moselle that fire those types of ammo are missing
• No blood on AM or his clothes despite AM claiming he tried to turn PM over and checked both PM & MM's pulses
• AM can't stop the car, process what is going on, go over to both & check pulses/turn over PM, etc. all in 17 seconds before dialing 911
• AM has different clothes on when the police arrive than what he had on a few hours earlier per video and witness testimony and those earlier clothes are missing
• Two witnesses testified that AM tried to pressure them to provide testimony that would bolster his alibi claims

That said, I predict hung jury.

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itsyourboypookie said:

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Finally an expert weighs in

People keep asking me my opinion of the Alex Murdaugh trial. pic.twitter.com/G7F7F3S83Z

— O.J. Simpson (@TheRealOJ32) March 2, 2023

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Hahaha the balls on that guy

My guess is: Guilty verdict. 3pm EST tomorrow. The lone holdout juror caves so they don't have to deal with this nonsense any longer.

I would stand firm on Not Guilty of I was on the jury.

I do not think Alex pulled the trigger on either gun. He may have been involved but I don't even think that is all that likely. He does deserve to be in jail for the rest of his life though so not a terrible injustice or anything.

Something happening in the courtroom?

I can’t stream I’m sorry y’all something is going on in court. Running to court now.

— JAMES (@jamesfromcourt) March 2, 2023