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Two weapons that VERY likely came from his house and both mysteriously disappeared.

And the clothes he had on just before dinner end up never being found.

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What Murdaugh family shotgun went missing?

And speaking of the murder weapons, what's your best guess as to how Alex was able to dispose of them in the ~10 minutes he wasnt being tracked by vehicle GPS or his cell phone?

As for those clothes, housekeeper testified that she washed khakis the next day. She did testify that she didn't see the shirt or shoes after the murders, but her testimony was a bit confusing because she claims Alex tried to tell her he was wearing a "Vinny Vines" shirt that day but she thought it was a blue polo shirt. Not clear if she meant Polo the brand or polo the style but Vineyard Vines (Vinny vines) does make polo style shirts. As far as I know Alex was never asked to provide those clothes to SLED, so not sure it has been established that they have never been found.

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Having said that, this verdict SHOULD make those who have been saying 'you can't convict a chronological liar thief of muuuurduuuur' and 'b-b-but there's no moooootiive' to reconsider their take and acknowledge that those assertions were NOT what the judge, the jury, and 90% of the population was basing their opinion on.

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Anyway, a nice victory today for proponents of 'ridiculously obvious circumstantial evidence can carry the day' over the 'b-b-but we don't have a 4K ultra-high def video of the suspect committing the crime' people.

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No one said it like that. That is silly. What we were saying is without the improper (IMO) admittance of highly prejudicial evidence of the completely irrelevant financial crimes,

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Lol, okay.

GUILTY.

And Blackout 300-whatever to your head, you know he's guilty AF too.

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suburban cowboy said:

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how did he do it?

obviously he was there, but how?

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My question is who was there with him? There were two shooters.

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How do you know there were two shooters?

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suburban cowboy said:

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how did he do it?

obviously he was there, but how?

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My question is who was there with him? There were two shooters.

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How do you know there were two shooters?

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Angles that were measured by SLED proved that. Zero prosecution experts ever testified they could defenitively say there was not a second shooter, based on their own evidence.

SLED agent admitted to lying to the grand jury twice. Once that they had found "high velocity blood spatter" when their DNA analyst had conducted 74 tests on AM's shory and found no trace of human blood. And that SLED agent knew that but sent the shirt to some yahoo in Oklahoma who did an "analysis" in his garage after the confirmatory Hema Trace was done by the SLED lab. That is manufacturing evidence.

Prosecution never called Bevel, the yahoo from Oklahoma, wonder why? Defense couldn't subpoena him out of state when the prosecution warned him to go into hiding to avoid that. (Speculation but given how crooked this prosecution was, expected. Not hard to avoid subpoenas when warned ahead of time.Used that a time or two myself.)

Second lie by the same agent was about buckshot and birdshot loaded into the same gun SLED claimed they found in the gun room at Moselle. Fabricated. But it was on tape during Alex's last interraction with SLED. Agent Owen ADMITTED to lying to Alex during that interrogation. But them he also had to admit lying to lying to the grand jury many many months later when he repeated that fabrication to them.

SLED lied to the grand jury and admitted to that under oath.

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suburban cowboy said:

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how did he do it?

obviously he was there, but how?

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I'd love to see he transforms from literally messing around with the dog trying to get a bird out of its mouth to two minutes later crouching down outside the feed room lying in wait on his son to come around the corner so he can double tap him with a shotgun then spin around and take out his wife with the AR and immediately go in to cleanup mode to wrangle up the two dogs (who just witnessed their owners get blown away) getting them in their kennels, wash himself of blood and mass quantities of GSR, get Maggie's phone and somehow getting it across the road without it registering steps the same time his phone registers steps, drive the golf cart back to the house without getting GSR or blood anywhere on it, get rid of bloody clothes, get rid of the guns, all before 9:07. The reenactment of that would be a sight to behold.

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Maybe he switched from opiates to cocaine for just this one night.

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Hmmm sensing much butt hurt from our resident stay at home legal team.....

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Want to trade places? I would rather not have MS. Can you make that happen?

Remind me…where was Buster when all of this happened?

Ignore the troll…

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Remind me…where was Buster when all of this happened?

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At his GF's place in Colombia. They drove down took over an hour for them to get there. He was not ever involved that night. He was never involved.in the boat crash, other than his brother using an old DL.

Some states do not require one to turn in their DL when they change addresses to apply for that. Just issue a new license with a new address. Old license is still valid, has not been cancelled.

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Remind me…where was Buster when all of this happened?

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At his GF's place in Colombia. They drove down took over an hour for them to get there. He was not ever involved that night. He was never involved.in the boat crash, other than his brother using an old DL.

Some states do not require one to turn in their DL when they change addresses to apply for that. Just issue a new license with a new address. Old license is still valid, has not been cancelled.

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Just curious…how do we know for sure he wasn't there?

Not being a smartass…just a refresher on the evidence…

Cell phone and OnStar for vehicles. He was there at his GF's. And she was freakin' out calling others. Her phone and his were in the same place when the calls came in about Maggie and Paul.

Gotcha…

What about Alex's brothers?

They were at their own houses.

Earlier, jurors had seen a cellphone video that showed Alex Murdaugh was with his wife Maggie and son Paul minutes before they were killed. As a result, the jury found him guilty after deliberating for less than 3 hours.

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Hmmm sensing much butt hurt from our resident stay at home legal team.....

Justice ! I thought the state rebuttal close was so good. Common sense. Don't get too technical. What does your gut tell you ? Smell dead fish ? Yeah something stinks to high hell. Those good people put a psychopath thieving murderer away. VICTORY !!!

Will there be another sentencing thread tomorrow along with expert analysis on how incompetent the state legal team performs ???

Kidding of course.

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Eggzzactly.

So many times over the last couple weeks I've been reading these threads and shaking my head thinking, "how can the TexAgs legal eagles THINK this way??".

Almost started doubting myself - ALMOST - but today was a huge vindication that it really was that simple.

You were there 4 minutes before the pew pew started, dude, then LIED about it.
Just hilarious that anyone with a college degree could set that single data point aside.

Oops, edit for quoting the wrong post.

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Weird flex but okay. Congrats on your big "win." For what it's worth I have been saying this was going to be a Guilty verdict since the judge allowed in the financial crimes. Even without that, it was likely going to be a Guilty. I hadn't really paid attention to this other than the HBO documentary. I figured he was guilty as hell. Only started paying attention to the trial after the whole "I did him so bad" absurdity. I found it strange that the prosecution would blatantly misrepresent something like that, it seemed kind of odd. So I started actually watching the trial and lots of things weren't making sense. You are right the "simple" stuff was always there and obviously that is what plays well with a jury which is why I never wavered from saying it was going to be a Guilty verdict but for me personally, I don't think I would have found voted Guilty. I certainly understand why the jury did and totally expected it.

For such a "simple" case the prosecution poured an awful lot of time into it and entered a massive amount of evidence - literally 1000s of pages of reports, photos, studies. All together there were 75 total witnesses, hundreds of hours of testimony, and nearly 800 exhibits - include reports and photographs.

The jury, who was not allowed to take notes during the trial, and who had never discuss any of the evidence before meeting to deliberate took under 3 hours to I'm sure carefully review the evidence, scrutinize the testimony, rationally weigh the credibility of what was presented and unanimously find the guy guilty. Easy-peezy

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Ghost91 said:

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Hmmm sensing much butt hurt from our resident stay at home legal team.....

Justice ! I thought the state rebuttal close was so good. Common sense. Don't get too technical. What does your gut tell you ? Smell dead fish ? Yeah something stinks to high hell. Those good people put a psychopath thieving murderer away. VICTORY !!!

Will there be another sentencing thread tomorrow along with expert analysis on how incompetent the state legal team performs ???

Kidding of course.

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Eggzzactly.

So many times over the last couple weeks I've been reading these threads and shaking my head thinking, "how can the TexAgs legal eagles THINK this way??".

Almost started doubting myself - ALMOST - but today was a huge vindication that it really was that simple.

You were there 4 minutes before the pew pew started, dude, then LIED about it.
Just hilarious that anyone with a college degree could set that single data point aside.

Oops, edit for quoting the wrong post.

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Weird flex but okay. Congrats on your big "win." For what it's worth I have been saying this was going to be a Guilty verdict since the judge allowed in the financial crimes. Even without that, it was likely going to be a Guilty. I hadn't really paid attention to this other than the HBO documentary. I figured he was guilty as hell. Only started paying attention to the trial after the whole "I did him so bad" absurdity. I found it strange that the prosecution would blatantly misrepresent something like that, it seemed kind of odd. So I started actually watching the trial and lots of things weren't making sense. You are right the "simple" stuff was always there and obviously that is what plays well with a jury which is why I never wavered from saying it was going to be a Guilty verdict but for me personally, I don't think I would have found voted Guilty. I certainly understand why the jury did and totally expected it.

For such a "simple" case the prosecution poured an awful lot of time into it and entered a massive amount of evidence - literally 1000s of pages of reports, photos, studies. All together there were 75 total witnesses, hundreds of hours of testimony, and nearly 800 exhibits - include reports and photographs.

The jury, who was not allowed to take notes during the trial, and who had never discuss any of the evidence before meeting to deliberate took under 3 hours to I'm sure carefully review the evidence, scrutinize the testimony, rationally weigh the credibility of what was presented and unanimously find the guy guilty. Easy-peezy

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WOW - saying there was reasonable doubt is one thing but you are a freaking cheerleader for this scum

Hardly. Alex Murdaugh is a horrible person and if anyone deserves to be convicted for a crime they didn't commit it is him. He will die in prison and deservedly so. As a trial lawyer Alex Murdaugh made and stole millions of dollars by using the jury system to to his advantage. I know he didn't do much as a Solicitor but his father before him and grandfather did and no doubt they used the system to railroad their fair share of criminal defendants which allowed them build a family fortune so what goes around comes around. I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over Murdaugh being found guilty. He's a garbage person and I have little sympathy for anything bad or "unjust" that happens to him.

Just because I don't believe the prosecution's case, disagreed with some of the tactics of investigators and the prosecution, and thought the judge was pretty one sided, hardly means I am cheerleading for Alex. Will be tuning in tomorrow for entertainment as he is shamed by Maggie's family and friends, maybe even some law partners can get some shots in "on Paul's behalf."

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Gotcha…

What about Alex's brothers?

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Very long story about what John Marvin testified to. He defended Alex. Explained all of the vehicle exchanges that day,

I wonder how long it will take for Buster to accept what happened and turn his back on his dad. Prob 2-3 years.

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Now that Murdaugh blood is in the water (pardon the pun), how long until SLED announces charges against Buster for the 2016 death of Stephen Smith?

Hell, doesn't matter what type of circumstantial evidence they have, they might just try and strike while the iron is hot.

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I can see the state making the case to the judge:

"Judge, his dad murdered his brother and Mom. He also stole a bunch of money. His dad is a bad guy. I think we need weeks of testimony on all of that to make sure the jury understands that could be Buster's motive in killing this boy."

Judge: "Even though the killing happened in 2016, it it fits the theory of the case. I'll allow it."

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That's not at all what I meant by my comment.

I was merely saying that there was smoke swirling in the days, weeks, and months after Stephen Smith was found dead on that county road that Buster was responsible for it. AM controlled the neck of the PD to ensure that the head was never pointed in the direction of his son, much in the same way that he (less successfully perhaps) did when Paul caught a body by drunk driving into a bridge pylon. There was plenty of evidence that was ignored that might now be re-evaluated. And rightfully so.

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Which docu-drama did you get this from? Exactly what evidence points to Buster? Not gossip but actual evidence?

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Cool it, Alex. I know that being found guilty and going to a federal PMITA prison will be disturbing but dont worry about it.

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Now that Murdaugh blood is in the water (pardon the pun), how long until SLED announces charges against Buster for the 2016 death of Stephen Smith?

Hell, doesn't matter what type of circumstantial evidence they have, they might just try and strike while the iron is hot.

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I can see the state making the case to the judge:

"Judge, his dad murdered his brother and Mom. He also stole a bunch of money. His dad is a bad guy. I think we need weeks of testimony on all of that to make sure the jury understands that could be Buster's motive in killing this boy."

Judge: "Even though the killing happened in 2016, it it fits the theory of the case. I'll allow it."

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That's not at all what I meant by my comment.

I was merely saying that there was smoke swirling in the days, weeks, and months after Stephen Smith was found dead on that county road that Buster was responsible for it. AM controlled the neck of the PD to ensure that the head was never pointed in the direction of his son, much in the same way that he (less successfully perhaps) did when Paul caught a body by drunk driving into a bridge pylon. There was plenty of evidence that was ignored that might now be re-evaluated. And rightfully so.

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Which docu-drama did you get this from? Exactly what evidence points to Buster? Not gossip but actual evidence?

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Cool it, Alex. I know that being found guilty and going to a federal PMITA prison will be disturbing but dont worry about it.

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What?? It was a simple question. Thanks for answering, Owens.

Jury was initially 9 guilty, 2 not guilty, 1 undecided. It took 45 minutes for the 3 to fall in line with the other 9.

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unmade bed said:

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Hmmm sensing much butt hurt from our resident stay at home legal team.....

Justice ! I thought the state rebuttal close was so good. Common sense. Don't get too technical. What does your gut tell you ? Smell dead fish ? Yeah something stinks to high hell. Those good people put a psychopath thieving murderer away. VICTORY !!!

Will there be another sentencing thread tomorrow along with expert analysis on how incompetent the state legal team performs ???

Kidding of course.

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Eggzzactly.

So many times over the last couple weeks I've been reading these threads and shaking my head thinking, "how can the TexAgs legal eagles THINK this way??".

Almost started doubting myself - ALMOST - but today was a huge vindication that it really was that simple.

You were there 4 minutes before the pew pew started, dude, then LIED about it.
Just hilarious that anyone with a college degree could set that single data point aside.

Oops, edit for quoting the wrong post.

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Weird flex but okay. Congrats on your big "win." For what it's worth I have been saying this was going to be a Guilty verdict since the judge allowed in the financial crimes. Even without that, it was likely going to be a Guilty. I hadn't really paid attention to this other than the HBO documentary. I figured he was guilty as hell. Only started paying attention to the trial after the whole "I did him so bad" absurdity. I found it strange that the prosecution would blatantly misrepresent something like that, it seemed kind of odd. So I started actually watching the trial and lots of things weren't making sense. You are right the "simple" stuff was always there and obviously that is what plays well with a jury which is why I never wavered from saying it was going to be a Guilty verdict but for me personally, I don't think I would have found voted Guilty. I certainly understand why the jury did and totally expected it.

For such a "simple" case the prosecution poured an awful lot of time into it and entered a massive amount of evidence - literally 1000s of pages of reports, photos, studies. All together there were 75 total witnesses, hundreds of hours of testimony, and nearly 800 exhibits - include reports and photographs.

The jury, who was not allowed to take notes during the trial, and who had never discuss any of the evidence before meeting to deliberate took under 3 hours to I'm sure carefully review the evidence, scrutinize the testimony, rationally weigh the credibility of what was presented and unanimously find the guy guilty. Easy-peezy

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WOW - saying there was reasonable doubt is one thing but you are a freaking cheerleader for this scum

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You got that out of his post? Isn't that special.

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Jury was initially 9 guilty, 2 not guilty, 1 undecided. It took 45 minutes for the 3 to fall in line with the other 9.

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Probably wanted to get this done and finished and get home for a nice weekend.

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Good thing the jury didn't get fooled. AM is going to get his rectum resized.

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Judging by how he acts I think it won't be the first time he's had that done to him

Six week trial with no note taking allowed.

45 minute deliberation. Initial vote was 9 guilty, 2 NG.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11816605/Alex-Murdaugh-juror-reveals-jury-quick-guilty.html

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I wonder how long it will take for Buster to accept what happened and turn his back on his dad. Prob 2-3 years.

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I think he stays around his Uncle and tries to mooch off him. Buster's butt hole is bound to be really tight now with the thought in his mind of he might be next on that stand for murder knowing their reign of power is gone and everyone will be out hunting heads of the Marduaghs now. Domino's will fall. With no college degree and personal accomplishments on his own to fall back on, no immediate family, no money. He's scared

Can any of you legal types answer this:

Why were the hundreds of financial crimes allowed other than the judge clearly hated Murdaugh?

It seems that since there wasn't a massive life insurance policy he could use to cover up the financial crimes, they were WAY more prejudicial than probative.

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D-Fens said:

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I wonder how long it will take for Buster to accept what happened and turn his back on his dad. Prob 2-3 years.

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I think he stays around his Uncle and tries to mooch off him. Buster's butt hole is bound to be really tight now with the thought in his mind of he might be next on that stand for murder knowing their reign of power is gone and everyone will be out hunting heads of the Marduaghs now. Domino's will fall. With no college degree and personal accomplishments on his own to fall back on, no immediate family, no money. He's scared

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Buster was kicked out of law school, so he probably has a college degree.

touch, good point. either way his butt hole is very tight. I'd be willing to bet most of their old family friends who'd normally hook him up with a kush job wont touch him now with a fifty foot pole. Like I said, he's gunna be hanging around selling tractors for his uncle now

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touch, good point. either way his butt hole is very tight. I'd be willing to bet most of their old family friends who'd normally hook him up with a kush job wont touch him now with a fifty foot pole. Like I said, he's gunna be hanging around selling tractors for his uncle now

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The real question is this:

Dad was making 7 figures/year and stole at least 10mm. He couldn't have spent anywhere near that much on oxy.

How much was dad able to hide for Buster before the walls came crashing in. I'll bet you there are some decent crypto accounts out there somewhere for Buster.