If there is anything we know about druggies, it is that they are meticulous cleaners. DA's theory makes perfect sense.

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Did the prosecution ever state where the weapons are believed to have been?

Were they already in the kennel? Were they in a nearby vehicle? Etc.

And did the prosecution contend that AM went to the kennels that.night with the plan to kill MM and PM or did the prosecution state it was an act of passion that came out of some unknown event at the kennel?

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State had no theory on where the guns were already present or not.

He was charged with premeditated murder in the first degree. He planned it was their contention. No heat of passion.

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States theory on the guns was that Alex hid them in a large blue raincoat (unclear where) in the ~12 minutes he had after killing his wife and kids, and South Carolinas finest were unable to find the guns or raincoat, yet several days after the murder Alex brought the raincoat (and maybe the guns but they aren't real sure) to his parents house and for some unknown reason places only the blue raincoat in an upstairs closet rather than just leaving the incriminating raincoat with the weapons that he was magically able to hide where no one could ever find them. Also, one of the weapons that was hidden in the coat was a shotgun that (even according to States questionable at best experts) was used to to blow someone's brain out of their head from a couple of feet away, somehow no blood/dna transferred from the shotgun to the raincoat, which means either Alex meticulously cleaned the shotgun prior to wrapping it in the raincoat, but only cleaned off the biological material and not gun shot residue, somewhere in that 12 minutes, or he later meticulously cleaned the raincoat to remove all biological material but left gun shot residue behind before storing it in his parents closet.

I'm not kidding that is their actual theory that they presented in a court of law as to what happened to the guns. Like they legitimately made that a part of their 6 week presentation of "evidence" and instead of being insulted at the States obvious disregard for their intelligence the jury evidently ate it up because Alex lied so much.

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Did the prosecution state why they believed it was a blue raincoat? Seems very specific. It leads one to believe they had some information, that while incomplete, lead them to push this theory.

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Did the prosecution ever state where the weapons are believed to have been?

Were they already in the kennel? Were they in a nearby vehicle? Etc.

And did the prosecution contend that AM went to the kennels that.night with the plan to kill MM and PM or did the prosecution state it was an act of passion that came out of some unknown event at the kennel?

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State had no theory on where the guns were already present or not.

He was charged with premeditated murder in the first degree. He planned it was their contention. No heat of passion.

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States theory on the guns was that Alex hid them in a large blue raincoat (unclear where) in the ~12 minutes he had after killing his wife and kids, and South Carolinas finest were unable to find the guns or raincoat, yet several days after the murder Alex brought the raincoat (and maybe the guns but they aren't real sure) to his parents house and for some unknown reason places only the blue raincoat in an upstairs closet rather than just leaving the incriminating raincoat with the weapons that he was magically able to hide where no one could ever find them. Also, one of the weapons that was hidden in the coat was a shotgun that (even according to States questionable at best experts) was used to to blow someone's brain out of their head from a couple of feet away, somehow no blood/dna transferred from the shotgun to the raincoat, which means either Alex meticulously cleaned the shotgun prior to wrapping it in the raincoat, but only cleaned off the biological material and not gun shot residue, somewhere in that 12 minutes, or he later meticulously cleaned the raincoat to remove all biological material but left gun shot residue behind before storing it in his parents closet.

I'm not kidding that is their actual theory that they presented in a court of law as to what happened to the guns. Like they legitimately made that a part of their 6 week presentation of "evidence" and instead of being insulted at the States obvious disregard for their intelligence the jury evidently ate it up because Alex lied so much.

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We'll back up a moment. It was months after the murders. Miss Shelley, Murdaugh's mother's caretaker, as a fender bender "accident". When responding officer was talking to her "about the car accident" she just happened to mention show workd for the Murdaugh family and ound it odd that Alex showed up early one mornng after the murders with a "crumpled up" blue something in his arms and went upstairs, where she "never went upstairs." She also said she thought there might have been guns in the crumpled up blue item.

At trial she disavowed she had ever said "guns."

So a traffic cop takes that weird of a statement, and a search warrant for the parents' home is issued mere days later? The state tested the hell out of that and could not remotely trace that back to Alex. No DNA, no blood, no fingerprints, plenty of GSR but so what? Could not connect it to the crime.

And to top it all off. Miss Shelley had a brother in law enforcement that she consulted, before she got so chatty with a traffic cop.

Here's the problem with her testimony. Alex was surrounded by friends and family for damn near every second after the murders for over a week. If he went to Almeda property, he was sledom alone but she said he was alone that day.

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I used "general timeframe" in my post intentionally. Whether or not the murders happen exactly when the prosecution asserts is the time of death or not, the window of when they occurred in not that big. Based on the evidence, I don't think you could argue a later time of death beyond what, like maybe 15 minutes tops? Again, there is evidence he was present not too long before murders and he lied about that. The absence of forensics regarding blood/gsr doesn't to me create doubt.

My broader point was, when the defendant gets caught lying, he needs a better defense than "It wasn't me", since he's no longer a reliable witness in everyone's eyes. He needs to be able to present some other version of events that is plausible that could explain how everything happened. I didn't watch all of the defense's case, but I don't recall the defense ever doing that.

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I still don't understand what is so critical about the video of Alex down at the kennel other than proving he lied about his timeline. Whether he was at the kennels or in the house, he was at most a 1-2 ride away from where the murders took place, so him being at the kennels doesn't mean he had any more "opportunity" to do the murder than him being at the house.

To me all the video proves is that Maggie, Paul, and Alex were all alive and not being murdered/murdering people at the time it was filmed which shortens the time frame for Alex to have done the murders, clean up, get back to house.

Without the video I think it would open the possibility that Alex did the murders earlier and just continued using their phones to throw off investigators. I mean if he was going to go so far as doing things like using 2 types of long guns and making 1-2 minute calls to his dad, brother, law partners while scrubbing his sons brain material out from under his fingernails, why not just assume he was crafty enough to continue using their phones to mess with the detectives?

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Did the prosecution ever state where the weapons are believed to have been?

Were they already in the kennel? Were they in a nearby vehicle? Etc.

And did the prosecution contend that AM went to the kennels that.night with the plan to kill MM and PM or did the prosecution state it was an act of passion that came out of some unknown event at the kennel?

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State had no theory on where the guns were already present or not.

He was charged with premeditated murder in the first degree. He planned it was their contention. No heat of passion.

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States theory on the guns was that Alex hid them in a large blue raincoat (unclear where) in the ~12 minutes he had after killing his wife and kids, and South Carolinas finest were unable to find the guns or raincoat, yet several days after the murder Alex brought the raincoat (and maybe the guns but they aren't real sure) to his parents house and for some unknown reason places only the blue raincoat in an upstairs closet rather than just leaving the incriminating raincoat with the weapons that he was magically able to hide where no one could ever find them. Also, one of the weapons that was hidden in the coat was a shotgun that (even according to States questionable at best experts) was used to to blow someone's brain out of their head from a couple of feet away, somehow no blood/dna transferred from the shotgun to the raincoat, which means either Alex meticulously cleaned the shotgun prior to wrapping it in the raincoat, but only cleaned off the biological material and not gun shot residue, somewhere in that 12 minutes, or he later meticulously cleaned the raincoat to remove all biological material but left gun shot residue behind before storing it in his parents closet.

I'm not kidding that is their actual theory that they presented in a court of law as to what happened to the guns. Like they legitimately made that a part of their 6 week presentation of "evidence" and instead of being insulted at the States obvious disregard for their intelligence the jury evidently ate it up because Alex lied so much.

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Did the prosecution state why they believed it was a blue raincoat? Seems very specific. It leads one to believe they had some information, that while incomplete, lead them to push this theory.

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They found a blue raincoat at his parents house. Like the kind his dad may have used to go bird hunting. And there was gunshot residue on it. So that is how they tied it all together (and yes Mrs. Hawg explains much better than I did just above how they came across it and developed that theory - mine was just the quick hitter smart ass version).

So, let me see if I understand the blue jacket theory..

AM kills PM and MM with a shotgun and rifle.

He immediately hides the guns somewhere on the property and does so well enough that LE can't find them.

A week or so later AM collects the weapons and wraps them in a blue coat and takes the bundle to hide at his parents house. Before the cops can search the parents house the guns once more go missing.

WTF would any person, after successfully hiding murder weapons, collect said weapons and decide that an awesome place to hide them again is at his parents house? This person being a criminal defense attorney with 3 decades of experience in criminal matters?

Yeah.... that makes total sense.

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Did the prosecution ever state where the weapons are believed to have been?

Were they already in the kennel? Were they in a nearby vehicle? Etc.

And did the prosecution contend that AM went to the kennels that.night with the plan to kill MM and PM or did the prosecution state it was an act of passion that came out of some unknown event at the kennel?

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State had no theory on where the guns were already present or not.

He was charged with premeditated murder in the first degree. He planned it was their contention. No heat of passion.

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States theory on the guns was that Alex hid them in a large blue raincoat (unclear where) in the ~12 minutes he had after killing his wife and kids, and South Carolinas finest were unable to find the guns or raincoat, yet several days after the murder Alex brought the raincoat (and maybe the guns but they aren't real sure) to his parents house and for some unknown reason places only the blue raincoat in an upstairs closet rather than just leaving the incriminating raincoat with the weapons that he was magically able to hide where no one could ever find them. Also, one of the weapons that was hidden in the coat was a shotgun that (even according to States questionable at best experts) was used to to blow someone's brain out of their head from a couple of feet away, somehow no blood/dna transferred from the shotgun to the raincoat, which means either Alex meticulously cleaned the shotgun prior to wrapping it in the raincoat, but only cleaned off the biological material and not gun shot residue, somewhere in that 12 minutes, or he later meticulously cleaned the raincoat to remove all biological material but left gun shot residue behind before storing it in his parents closet.

I'm not kidding that is their actual theory that they presented in a court of law as to what happened to the guns. Like they legitimately made that a part of their 6 week presentation of "evidence" and instead of being insulted at the States obvious disregard for their intelligence the jury evidently ate it up because Alex lied so much.

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We'll back up a moment. It was months after the murders. Miss Shelley, Murdaugh's mother's caretaker, as a fender bender "accident". When responding officer was talking to her "about the car accident" she just happened to mention show workd for the Murdaugh family and ound it odd that Alex showed up early one mornng after the murders with a "crumpled up" blue something in his arms and went upstairs, where she "never went upstairs." She also said she thought there might have been guns in the crumpled up blue item.

At trial she disavowed she had ever said "guns."

So a traffic cop takes that weird of a statement, and a search warrant for the parents' home is issued mere days later? The state tested the hell out of that and could not remotely trace that back to Alex. No DNA, no blood, no fingerprints, plenty of GSR but so what? Could not connect it to the crime.

And to top it all off. Miss Shelley had a brother in law enforcement that she consulted, before she got so chatty with a traffic cop.

Here's the problem with her testimony. Alex was surrounded by friends and family for damn near every second after the murders for over a week. If he went to Almeda property, he was sledom alone but she said he was alone that day.

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Futher, she had free rein of the house. AM's dad died a couple days after the murders and AM's mom had late stage Alz. If she saw something peculiar, she could have easily investigated it. She also admittedly didn't like AM.

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So, let me see if I understand the blue jacket theory..

AM kills PM and MM with a shotgun and rifle.

He immediately hides the guns somewhere on the property and does so well enough that LE can't find them.

A week or so later AM collects the weapons and wraps them in a blue coat and takes the bundle to hide at his parents house. Before the cops can search the parents house the guns once more go missing.

WTF would any person, after successfully hiding murder weapons, collect said weapons and decide that an awesome place to hide them again is at his parents house? This person being a criminal defense attorney with 3 decades of experience in criminal matters?

Yeah.... that makes total sense.

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Yep, you seem pretty caught up now. Probably shouldn't ask any questions about it though. Try to focus on the important things here, like that Alex stole millions from his clients and lied to the police.

You don't even want to know about Maggie's phone.

Is this the same maid who testified that on the night of the murders when AM arrived at the parents home there was nothing remotely out of whack in regards to his appearance and demeanor? This coming from a maid who, as you stated, was quite open about her dislike for AM.

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So, let me see if I understand the blue jacket theory..

AM kills PM and MM with a shotgun and rifle.

He immediately hides the guns somewhere on the property and does so well enough that LE can't find them.

A week or so later AM collects the weapons and wraps them in a blue coat and takes the bundle to hide at his parents house. Before the cops can search the parents house the guns once more go missing.

WTF would any person, after successfully hiding murder weapons, collect said weapons and decide that an awesome place to hide them again is at his parents house? This person being a criminal defense attorney with 3 decades of experience in criminal matters?

Yeah.... that makes total sense.

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Plus look at the entire timeline. He had 12 minutes MAX.

At 9:02 he was at the house, getting ready to leave. Phones were in use until 8:50.

As the bird flies, he had a 1250' drive in an electric golf cart to the house, but they had planted a bunch of things, so it was actually longer than that and on a dirt road. That is going to take a few minutes.

So in 12min max he had to:

Shoot son at least twice with 1 or 2 different shotguns. (He was shot with multiple types of shotgun shells)
Shoot wife 5x with a different rifle.
Clean up himself.
Shower
Dispose of clothes
Scrub like hell to get GSR off his hands
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to golf cart/clean it off
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to house/clean it off
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to truck/clean it off
Drive in golf cart down dirt path to house
Hide guns where police can't find them
Hide clothes where police can't find them
Look presentable to drive over to Mom's house
Call a bunch of people and not sound panicked.

That's a lot to do in 12 minutes for a 55yo 275lb drug addict that is high on opioids.

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Is this the same maid who testified that on the night of the murders when AM arrived at the parents home there was nothing remotely out of whack in regards to his appearance and demeanor? This coming from a maid who, as you stated, was quite open about her dislike for AM.

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Yep. Same maid that Alex "pressured into lying" about how long he was over at the house that night even though Alex knew his on star and phone records would definitively show how long he was there and he had previously indicated to police that they should get those records to establish the timeline.

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So, let me see if I understand the blue jacket theory..

AM kills PM and MM with a shotgun and rifle.

He immediately hides the guns somewhere on the property and does so well enough that LE can't find them.

A week or so later AM collects the weapons and wraps them in a blue coat and takes the bundle to hide at his parents house. Before the cops can search the parents house the guns once more go missing.

WTF would any person, after successfully hiding murder weapons, collect said weapons and decide that an awesome place to hide them again is at his parents house? This person being a criminal defense attorney with 3 decades of experience in criminal matters?

Yeah.... that makes total sense.

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Plus look at the entire timeline. He had 12 minutes MAX.

At 9:02 he was at the house, getting ready to leave. Phones were in use until 8:50.

As the bird flies, he had a 1250' drive in an electric golf cart to the house, but they had planted a bunch of things, so it was actually longer than that and on a dirt road. That is going to take a few minutes.

So in 12min max he had to:

Shoot son at least twice with 1 or 2 different shotguns. (He was shot with multiple types of shotgun shells)
Shoot wife 5x with a different rifle.
Clean up himself.
Shower
Dispose of clothes
Scrub like hell to get GSR off his hands
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to golf cart/clean it off
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to house/clean it off
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to truck/clean it off
Drive in golf cart down dirt path to house
Hide guns where police can't find them
Hide clothes where police can't find them
Look presentable to drive over to Mom's house
Call a bunch of people and not sound panicked.

That's a lot to do in 12 minutes for a 55yo 275lb drug addict that is high on opioids.

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Yet that one juror who was the brother of the LEO at the scene that night said, "It was long enough."

Serial stupidity on the jury's part. He was convicted because he was hated in the community because he was an *******, like his family before him. Even the judge referenced his family "controlling the justice system for decades," in his sentencing statements. Mentioned how many had his family members sentenced to death? And how he would have sentenced him to death if he had the ability.

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Yep. Same maid that Alex "pressured into lying" about how long he was over at the house that night even though Alex knew his on star and phone records would definitively show how long he was there and he had previously indicated to police that they should get those records to establish the timeline.

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Saw the interview when he said to SLED, "Whatever I can sign so you can get those, I will. Do I need to ask for it? I will."

What really pisses me off is the lack of Faraday bags used for the cell phones. Neither Paul's nor Maggie's. Yet the snapchat is recovered from Paul's in April 2022? No Faraday bag according to SLED. How is that snapchat located and timed?

So when is buster's trial for killing that random gay kid?

Him & his pop can be cellies

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So, let me see if I understand the blue jacket theory..

AM kills PM and MM with a shotgun and rifle.

He immediately hides the guns somewhere on the property and does so well enough that LE can't find them.

A week or so later AM collects the weapons and wraps them in a blue coat and takes the bundle to hide at his parents house. Before the cops can search the parents house the guns once more go missing.

WTF would any person, after successfully hiding murder weapons, collect said weapons and decide that an awesome place to hide them again is at his parents house? This person being a criminal defense attorney with 3 decades of experience in criminal matters?

Yeah.... that makes total sense.

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Plus look at the entire timeline. He had 12 minutes MAX.

At 9:02 he was at the house, getting ready to leave. Phones were in use until 8:50.

As the bird flies, he had a 1250' drive in an electric golf cart to the house, but they had planted a bunch of things, so it was actually longer than that and on a dirt road. That is going to take a few minutes.

So in 12min max he had to:

Shoot son at least twice with 1 or 2 different shotguns. (He was shot with multiple types of shotgun shells)
Shoot wife 5x with a different rifle.
Clean up himself.
Shower
Dispose of clothes
Scrub like hell to get GSR off his hands
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to golf cart/clean it off
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to house/clean it off
Make sure no evidence gets transferred to truck/clean it off
Drive in golf cart down dirt path to house
Hide guns where police can't find them
Hide clothes where police can't find them
Look presentable to drive over to Mom's house
Call a bunch of people and not sound panicked.

That's a lot to do in 12 minutes for a 55yo 275lb drug addict that is high on opioids.

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Don't forget somewhere in the 12 minutes he also had to deal with at least one dog that was out (confirmed by the "incriminating" video) - get its tracking collar off and into its kennel.

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So when is buster's trial for killing that random gay kid?

Him & his pop can be cellies

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SLED investigating and lying to grand jury to secure indictment, Creighton Waters finding out that Buster got caught plagiarizing and this judge allowing State to tell jury about the plagiarism for 4 weeks straight, maybe get a couple of family members of the highway patrol investigator that ****ed around investigating the murder as a hit and run to sit on the jury, I'd say a conviction about late 2024 is definitely doable.

Those stone cold killer red headed mofos will be running that prison in no time flat.

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Bubba was family pet, not a hunting dog, as well. Gunshots may have been familiar to him but not part of the training.

We had a Blue Lacy we got as a rescue dog when was about 6 months. Even seeing a gun in The Hubs' hands made him go into hide mode. He hated any gunshots and flipped out over fireworks.

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I'm surprised people are saying no motive existed… I see numerous motives

Motives for Son:

Expensive criminal defense court case coming up
Civil suits a result of wreck/death allowing was going to give access to Alex's financials



Motives for Wife:

Possible divorce, divorce proceedings lead to legal review of Alex's financials
High price assets were in wife's name


Motives to kill both:

Sympathy for impending financial cases
He's a drug addict that only cares about feeding addiction

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Zero evidence was adduced at trial that Maggie and Alex were having marital troubles, just the opposite.

He was a personal injury lawyer, he knows under comparative negligence laws in South Carolina, his personal exposure as owner of the boat was lower on the list with all of the bars and convenience stores that served or sold him alcohol. Particularly after Paul and Connor were already drunk and they were ordering shots.

Paul was 19, over the age of majority and a college student when the accident happened.

So what was the closer proximate cause of the accident? Alex letting Paul use the boat? Or the people that sold him the alcohol that night?

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LOL. He shot her what- 5 or 6 times? Just guessing there were problems in his marriage. As a personal injury lawyer did he know stealing millions was illegal?

Takes a normal person 5 seconds to vote guilty.

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I'm surprised people are saying no motive existed… I see numerous motives

Motives for Son:

Expensive criminal defense court case coming up
Civil suits a result of wreck/death allowing was going to give access to Alex's financials



Motives for Wife:

Possible divorce, divorce proceedings lead to legal review of Alex's financials
High price assets were in wife's name


Motives to kill both:

Sympathy for impending financial cases
He's a drug addict that only cares about feeding addiction

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Zero evidence was adduced at trial that Maggie and Alex were having marital troubles, just the opposite.

He was a personal injury lawyer, he knows under comparative negligence laws in South Carolina, his personal exposure as owner of the boat was lower on the list with all of the bars and convenience stores that served or sold him alcohol. Particularly after Paul and Connor were already drunk and they were ordering shots.

Paul was 19, over the age of majority and a college student when the accident happened.

So what was the closer proximate cause of the accident? Alex letting Paul use the boat? Or the people that sold him the alcohol that night?

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LOL. He shot her what- 5 or 6 times? Just guessing there were problems in his marriage. As a personal injury lawyer did he know stealing millions was illegal?

Takes a normal person 5 seconds to vote guilty.

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It would be easy to vote that way if:

There was evidence he shot her
There was evidence there were problems in the marriage


There was no evidence for either.

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I'm surprised people are saying no motive existed… I see numerous motives

Motives for Son:

Expensive criminal defense court case coming up
Civil suits a result of wreck/death allowing was going to give access to Alex's financials



Motives for Wife:

Possible divorce, divorce proceedings lead to legal review of Alex's financials
High price assets were in wife's name


Motives to kill both:

Sympathy for impending financial cases
He's a drug addict that only cares about feeding addiction

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Zero evidence was adduced at trial that Maggie and Alex were having marital troubles, just the opposite.

He was a personal injury lawyer, he knows under comparative negligence laws in South Carolina, his personal exposure as owner of the boat was lower on the list with all of the bars and convenience stores that served or sold him alcohol. Particularly after Paul and Connor were already drunk and they were ordering shots.

Paul was 19, over the age of majority and a college student when the accident happened.

So what was the closer proximate cause of the accident? Alex letting Paul use the boat? Or the people that sold him the alcohol that night?

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LOL. He shot her what- 5 or 6 times? Just guessing there were problems in his marriage. As a personal injury lawyer did he know stealing millions was illegal?

Takes a normal person 5 seconds to vote guilty.

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You are correct, "normal" people are easily duped into thinking that killing a party in a civil suit just makes it magically go away, or that an order to compel on a discovery request in a civil suit is gonna result in secret/illegal accounts being exposed, or that a divorce is gonna give the wife access to information on his secret/illegal accounts, or that sympathy might need to be garnered for financial crimes that only came to light AFTER the murders. South Carolina AG knew this and took full advantage of all the "normal" people on the jury who weren't well versed in the complicated legal nuance.

I don't feel bad for Alex though, he made his living doing the exact same thing that Waters did to him, but on the civil side.

Yes. Thankfully there are "normal" people and not the ones who disregard the obvious and mostly post on this circle jerk of a thread thinking AM is innocent

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Yes. Thankfully there are "normal" people and not the ones who disregard the obvious and mostly post on this circle jerk of a thread thinking AM is innocent

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Turns out, there is a difference between "there wasn't enough evidence to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt" and innocent.

Clearly way too nuanced for you, though.

hmmm our local internet lawyers didnt do so well on this one

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YOU are the reason there are rules 403 and 404. And I am really confident you havezero clue which rules those are.

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So when is buster's trial for killing that random gay kid?

Him & his pop can be cellies

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Its pretty clear that Buster killed the gay kid. After all they were classmates. No further evidence required. Lock him up.

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hmmm our local internet lawyers didnt do so well on this one

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Really? Which ones were predicting a "not guilty" verdict? Once the judge allowed financial crimes evidence to be presented and presented and presented and presented some more, pretty much every attorney anywhere (even local internet ones) knew it was Game Over. Even Alex's attorneys admitted as much.

Having an opinion that the State failed to prove its theory that Alex was guilty of shooting his wife and son beyond a reasonable doubt does not equal thinking a jury would find him not guilty.

Juries gonna Jury.

Finally finished the Netflix special..........3 episodes of small town gossip and innuendo. I want those three hours back.

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Really? Which ones were predicting a "not guilty" verdict? Once the judge allowed financial crimes evidence to be presented and presented and presented and presented some more, pretty much every attorney anywhere (even local internet ones) knew it was Game Over. Even Alex's attorneys admitted as much.

Having an opinion that the State failed to prove its theory that Alex was guilty of shooting his wife and son beyond a reasonable doubt does not equal thinking a jury would find him not guilty.

Juries gonna Jury.

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Yeah, he's come in hot several times with his trolling about that. I can't remember a single internet lawyer here being apoplectic about the verdict. In fact, pretty sure everyone following regularly said "welp, that's no surprise".

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Yeah, he's come in hot several times with his trolling about that. I can't remember a single internet lawyer here being apoplectic about the verdict. In fact, pretty sure everyone following regularly said "welp, that's no surprise".

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I thought the potential for a hung jury remained until that last juror was booted from the jury. The involvement of SLED in getting that juror dismissed was troublesome to me. Had the Sheriff's Department handled that I wouldn't have blinked an eye.

But SLED?

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Yeah, he's come in hot several times with his trolling about that. I can't remember a single internet lawyer here being apoplectic about the verdict. In fact, pretty sure everyone following regularly said "welp, that's no surprise".

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I thought the potential for a hung jury remained until that last juror was booted from the jury. The involvement of SLED in getting that juror dismissed was troublesome to me. Had the Sheriff's Department handled that I wouldn't have blinked an eye.

But SLED?

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And a SLED agent involved in the trial!

She actually said he brought over a blue tarp. SLED showed her a rolled up blue raincoat and asked her if it was the same color and she said yes. But she insisted it was a tarp IIRC.

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Yeah, he's come in hot several times with his trolling about that. I can't remember a single internet lawyer here being apoplectic about the verdict. In fact, pretty sure everyone following regularly said "welp, that's no surprise".

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I thought the potential for a hung jury remained until that last juror was booted from the jury. The involvement of SLED in getting that juror dismissed was troublesome to me. Had the Sheriff's Department handled that I wouldn't have blinked an eye.

But SLED?

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Can the handling of the removed juror by SLED be used by the defense in their argument for a retrial? Granted I suppose they can try whatever they want but is this issue in anyway a valid concern to the appeals courts?

Lawyer You Know had a 30 minute live stream today on what the prosecutors believe what relly happened.

Only that's all it is, their beliefs but no evidence to support what they are saying. Still guessing.

Hawg, thoughts on them exhuming Stephen Smith's body?

https://nypost.com/2023/03/17/stephen-smiths-body-to-be-exhumed/

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Hawg, thoughts on them exhuming Stephen Smith's body?

https://nypost.com/2023/03/17/stephen-smiths-body-to-be-exhumed/

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Not much. No trace evidence. About the only thing that might be relevant would be a reexamination of the head wound. There was some rumor at the time that his head wound might have included a gunshot and then blunt force trauma to perhaps cover up that wound? Sounds far-fetched to me.

But a reexamination might result in a change of Manner of death from hit and run to a more blanket homicide.