fightintxag13 said:

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In all honesty, I think it's pretty premature to be blaming DEI for this crash, or to even assume that there is anything political about this crash.

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This. Shut this thread, and the idea that this is remotely political, down.

For the left: nothing Trump has done or not done contributed to this crash.

For the militant Trump supporters: The ONLY way this is a DEI issue is if the Blackhawk pilot was a DEI hire who had not passed the minimum standards to be flying that machine on that route at night.

Tramp96 said:

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fightintxag13 said:

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In all honesty, I think it's pretty premature to be blaming DEI for this crash, or to even assume that there is anything political about this crash.

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This. Shut this thread, and the idea that this is remotely political, down.

For the left: nothing Trump has done or not done contributed to this crash.

For the militant Trump supporters: The ONLY way this is a DEI issue is if the Blackhawk pilot was a DEI hire who had not passed the minimum standards to be flying that machine on that route at night.

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Everything is political theses days what world are you in ?

DarkBrandon01 said:

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We need more air traffic controllers. That's it. That's the issue. The system got stretched and stretched until it finally broke.

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I don’t want to get political right now, but if left-wingers want to go down this road then we can.

We can start by noting that over 1000 applicants filed a class action lawsuit against the Biden’s FAA for discriminating based on DEI.

That’s where the shortage came from. pic.twitter.com/DiRPAK5oHt

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) January 30, 2025

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Prime0882 said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Here guys. Post it here. Staph made it clear they don't want it on the main thread.

I'll kick this bad boy off by reiterating: F DEI and I fully support Trump using any opportunity he can to bring it down.

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Cool. Within twelve hours of the crash while bodies are still being searched for is the correct time? Score political points after the investigation is completed. Or, if you cannot wait until the investigation is completed - until you can even say YES or NO to IF someone was involved was a possible DEI hire.

He has "common sense" and "figured" it was a DEI hire.

WTF.

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So you don't think the President of The U.S cant find out who is running the show at the disaster site? Doubt he's going to talk out of his rear without this knowledge (which could be obtained by a simple phone call.) The controller was probably a Tyrion Lannister Body Double with the mental stack of a maple leaf in a 80 mph gale.

Let me guess, you're one of those CMs I keep hearing about?

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He was asked if he knew it was a DEI hire at fault…he stated he did not know that…."but it could have been."

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Tramp96 said:

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fightintxag13 said:

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In all honesty, I think it's pretty premature to be blaming DEI for this crash, or to even assume that there is anything political about this crash.

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This. Shut this thread, and the idea that this is remotely political, down.

For the left: nothing Trump has done or not done contributed to this crash.

For the militant Trump supporters: The ONLY way this is a DEI issue is if the Blackhawk pilot was a DEI hire who had not passed the minimum standards to be flying that machine on that route at night.

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Everything is political theses days what world are you in ?

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I drink a lot.

There shouldn't be any politics around this crash and it's stupid to place them.

There is politics in every single thing in our lives.

ETFan said:

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Oh, cool. I'll post it again. Trump is being a complete piece of **** on this one.

There's no place for speculation in aviation. It's facts and that's it. Facts save lives. The NTSB will figure out what happened, like they always have. Reminder this hasn't happened since 2009.

(speculation in this case meaning through official channels. We can speculate until we're blue in the face here)

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Little solace to those who died and their families. And this one should not have happened, no matter how long it has been since the last one. The time gap is irrelevant.

Tramp96 said:

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fightintxag13 said:

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In all honesty, I think it's pretty premature to be blaming DEI for this crash, or to even assume that there is anything political about this crash.

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This. Shut this thread, and the idea that this is remotely political, down.

For the left: nothing Trump has done or not done contributed to this crash.

For the militant Trump supporters: The ONLY way this is a DEI issue is if the Blackhawk pilot was a DEI hire who had not passed the minimum standards to be flying that machine on that route at night.

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First, no! Censorship is what the left does. No one is forcing you to read this thread! You can even buy a star and ignore the OP. Are you a conservative? If so, start acting like one!

Second, you don't know who was to blame.

Third, this will never be blamed on DEI by the NTSB. Even if ATC is at fault, they won't blame DEI. That's the beauty of DEI. Cause and effect can never be proven. Even if you conclude that this ATC erred and was not adequately qualified, does that automatically mean the Obama DEI policies were at fault?!

CDUB98 said:

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There shouldn't be any politics around this crash and it's stupid to place them.

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But it does appear there is because politics has worked itself into employment.

Would need to look back through the original thread and see if it's still there but a poster had direct connection to this event and the first thing they heard was this situation was likely DEI ATC related. So it is what it is. Never should have even had the chance to get political but that's the way it is set and now needs to be undone

Jbob04 said:

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There is politics in every single thing in our lives.

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And therein lies the problem.

I agree but it's the world we live in now and it will not change.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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We need more air traffic controllers. That's it. That's the issue. The system got stretched and stretched until it finally broke.

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But it doesn't appear ATC did anything wrong here

ETFan said:

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Oh, cool. I'll post it again. Trump is being a complete piece of **** on this one.

There's no place for speculation in aviation. It's facts and that's it. Facts save lives. The NTSB will figure out what happened, like they always have. Reminder this hasn't happened since 2009.

(speculation in this case meaning through official channels. We can speculate until we're blue in the face here)

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If it was DEI those facts are usually swept under the rug

Prime0882 said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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Here guys. Post it here. Staph made it clear they don't want it on the main thread.

I'll kick this bad boy off by reiterating: F DEI and I fully support Trump using any opportunity he can to bring it down.

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Cool. Within twelve hours of the crash while bodies are still being searched for is the correct time? Score political points after the investigation is completed. Or, if you cannot wait until the investigation is completed - until you can even say YES or NO to IF someone was involved was a possible DEI hire.

He has "common sense" and "figured" it was a DEI hire.

WTF.

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I mean sure...but you clicked on the "Politics" board and then clicked on a thread titled "Politics of the crash", so it seems you're interested in scoring points here too

Logos Stick said:

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Tramp96 said:

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fightintxag13 said:

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In all honesty, I think it's pretty premature to be blaming DEI for this crash, or to even assume that there is anything political about this crash.

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This. Shut this thread, and the idea that this is remotely political, down.

For the left: nothing Trump has done or not done contributed to this crash.

For the militant Trump supporters: The ONLY way this is a DEI issue is if the Blackhawk pilot was a DEI hire who had not passed the minimum standards to be flying that machine on that route at night.

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First, no! Censorship is what the left does. No one is forcing you to read this thread! You can even buy a star and ignore the OP. Are you a conservative? If so, start acting like one!

Second, you don't know who was to blame.

Third, this will never be blamed on DEI by the NTSB. Even if ATC is at fault, they won't blame DEI. That's the beauty of DEI. Cause and effect can never be proven. Even if you conclude that this ATC erred and was not adequately qualified, does that automatically mean the Obama DEI policies were at fault?!

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Good God, man. Do you seriously not understand the difference between "literal" and "figurative"? Have you never not seen someone say "shut the thread down" in response to someone's post being so on-target that nothing more needs to be said?

I am a conservative and I act like one. I openly oppose the staff here from locking any thread or deleting any post. Anyone could see I was speaking figuratively when I said to shut it down.

As far as who is to blame, what I do know is that it's not Trump, thus my "for the left..." part. And I did stipulate how it could be a DEI issue. But anyone blaming this on DEI at this point is way, way, way premature.

Read my post in the proper context.

I have to imagine it's highly unlikely this crash was in any way related to DEI. I have two significant "however's":

- However, I also thought that it was highly unlikely that DEI would have anything to do with the LA fires...and then I started watching the news.

- However, this is one of the problems with promoting DEI. If your company/department/unit promotes DEI as important...then there will be tons of questions about those responsible for negative events when they happen if those individuals might possibly have been hired for DEI reasons and not because they were the best qualified.

So....highly unlikely this had anything to do with DEI...but if FAA or governmental operator of the helicopter has been promoting DEI.....this is one of the negative, natural consequences of doing so. Trump should wait on this one.

ETFan said:

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Oh, cool. I'll post it again. Trump is being a complete piece of **** on this one.

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Bingo. We need Terry Tate to office linebacker this *******. Seriously, Trump is not Obama when it comes to handling situations with grace and professional orator skills. Trumpy needs to be put in a closet with a coloring book while the pros get this **** under control. What a dumbass.

My bad.

fightintxag13 said:

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In all honesty, I think it's pretty premature to be blaming DEI for this crash, or to even assume that there is anything political about this crash.

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You are right, since we don't even know and won't know the cause for many weeks. However, if it is shown that controller performance was at least a partial cause, it's absolutely fair to blame DEI. From Dan McLaughlin, Air Traffic Control and the DEI Debate

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it's worth noting here as the inevitable hurdy-gurdy cranks into gear that Trump has actually moved to fix a problem with how we hire air-traffic controllers, in order to reorient it toward hiring the best people in order to make air-traffic control safer. The Biden administration was sued last year over this:

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From 1989 to 2013, the Collegiate Training Initiative program was a pipeline to a career in air traffic control. The program aimed to ensure future air traffic controllers had the skills and knowledge necessary to carry out the job. More than ten years ago, the Obama Administration scrapped 1000 qualified candidates. The administration's justification was that the pool of applicants was not diverse enough, so they would be purged from consideration. Instead of hiring candidates with the most competency, individuals were elevated for hiring consideration based on their race…I, along with Mountain States Legal Foundation, am litigating a class action lawsuit on behalf of more than 900 prospective air traffic controllers who studied, took the pre-employment exam, and passed the test with flying colors but were dismissed because of their skin color. Our lawsuit seeks justice for all air traffic control candidates who chose this career, dedicated their lives and education to it, and were summarily denied a job for no reason other than the color of their skin. In a system with only 14,000 air traffic controllers, purging a thousand of the next generation's best and brightest was irresponsible and unsustainable.

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Trump's January 22 executive order aimed to end the discriminatory hiring practices that triggered the lawsuit:

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President Donald J. Trump has signed a Presidential Memorandum terminating a Biden Administration Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) hiring policy that prioritized diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) over safety and efficiency:

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  This Presidential Memorandum orders the Secretary of Transportation and FAA Administrator to immediately stop Biden DEI hiring programs and return to non-discriminatory, merit-based hiring.

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  It also requires the FAA Administrator to review the past performance and performance standards of all FAA employees in critical safety positions and make clear that any individual who fails to demonstrate adequate capability is replaced by someone who will ensure Americans' flight safety and efficiency. . . .

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  Almost unbelievably, as a diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiative, the Biden FAA specifically recruited and hired individuals with "severe intellectual" disabilities, psychiatric issues, and complete paralysis over other individuals who sought to work for the FAA.

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  President Trump is immediately terminating this illegal and dangerous program and requiring that all FAA hiring be based solely on ensuring the safety of airline passengers and overall job excellence.

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I can tell you this much, if I get on a plane and look in the cockpit and it's full of multicultural women...

I'm taking the train

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FIFY

CDUB98 said:

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Jbob04 said:

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There is politics in every single thing in our lives.

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And therein lies the problem.

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The result of social media cranking tribalism to eleven and ripping the nob off.

Jbob04 said:

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Biden's original pick to lead the FAA

Biden's pick to lead the Federal Aviation Administration couldn't answer a single **QUESTION ABOUT AVIATION**

pic.twitter.com/fOEiVRIWXa

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) January 30, 2025

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That was EVERY Biden nominee except...maybe...two... I don't recall the two at this time, Mr. Senator.

Martin Q. Blank said:

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Politically, ATC controllers are WAY overworked. I'm surprised it took this long for a catastrophic crash to happen. There are near misses almost weekly. We need to pay them more and hire more talent.

Once that's done, fire anyone who was at fault for a near miss in the past.

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I've heard this too.
Why way overworked? Why not hire more ATCs and pay them well. No H1B ATCs.

InB4 "why bother, AI will take over that job too".

Tramp96 said:

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fightintxag13 said:

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In all honesty, I think it's pretty premature to be blaming DEI for this crash, or to even assume that there is anything political about this crash.

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This. Shut this thread, and the idea that this is remotely political, down.

For the left: nothing Trump has done or not done contributed to this crash.

For the militant Trump supporters: The ONLY way this is a DEI issue is if the Blackhawk pilot was a DEI hire who had not passed the minimum standards to be flying that machine on that route at night.

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The whole purpose of this thread was out of respect for Staff's desire to keep the political **** posting off the main thread.

...some people...

CDUB98 said:

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There shouldn't be any politics around this crash and it's stupid to place them.

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I got nothing but love for you Dub but this is a silly take.

I honestly what to know why anyone who opposes DEI has a problem with him suggesting it may have been a driving factor.

1.) Anyone with a brain and decent morals knows DEI is evil

2.) We know for a fact DEI had impacted BOTH ATC hiring AND military recruitment.

3.) One or both of the above ****ed up bigly here.

It's a completely reasonable line of inquiry. And as I suggested in the other thread, I'm 100% in favor of anything that gets people to identify DEI as BAD.

So sincerely why does this upset you so much?

Orange man bad. They're returning and it's amusing especially when they come out together on something they think they got him on.

Tangential, but Uniteds dei practices almost got people killed in Houston. If there's one place where it is absolutely critical to keep dei out, it is in the transportation industry.

Last year, I reported on a tip from a United pilot that a near-fatal incident in Houston was the result of a fired employee being rehired through their DEI program

I was told I was a lying racist.

The Houston 767 incident report is out. I was 100% right:

"The first officer’s… https://t.co/Ki2mwVJFpY pic.twitter.com/L2ePvGAZM3

— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) January 30, 2025

Silent For Too Long said:

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I honestly what to know why anyone who opposes DEI has a problem with him suggesting it may have been a driving factor.

1.) Anyone with a brain and decent morals knows DEI is evil

2.) We know for a fact DEI had impacted BOTH ATC hiring AND military recruitment.

3.) One or both of the above ****ed up bigly here.

It's a completely reasonable line of inquiry. And as I suggested in the other thread, I'm 100% in favor of anything that gets people to identify DEI as BAD.

So sincerely why does this upset you so much?

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It really shouldn't. It may yet pan out to be so, when looking at factors other than the altitude of the chopper. Its just too early --- but it was the Politico thing that started the round by trying to blame it on the federal freezes--- so Trump is more retaliating than "starting" anything -- in fact it began last night before Trump had commented or tweeted.

Hearing from some in the know that some of the personnel aboard the chopper were certainly experienced so we can't rule out they were given poor instructions or clearance. Some basic practices of other ATCs seemed to not have been being followed. This too we may learn has some cause other than merit goals. Too early.