Very good on the world stage.

JD Vance is setting the EU nations on fire to their faces right now for being rank hypocrites on democracy and freedom of expression.

So good.

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— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) February 14, 2025

🚨🔥 Vice President JD Vance is dropping the HAMMER at the Munich Security Conference:

"If the American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunburg scolding, you can survive a few months of Elon Musk,
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— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) February 14, 2025

That's amazing, love it!

Libs just can't comprehend that shaming only works on libs.

Meh. I watched the whole thing live and it's the first time I feel like I he completely missed the mark of the forum. This was a sub par speech IMO and was all over the damn place and felt more like a campaign speech here in the US than a European security conference.

The only thing I felt like had true merit was the dangers of unfettered open immigration but it was a sub point that lasted a few minutes at best.

Just a very weird speech and honestly, felt like it was meant just for the GOP base here stateside. Which I know will be eaten up here but just felt largely out of place to me. Just my coupla cents though. Usually impressed with his stances and bearing but again, this just felt like an unorganized mess, given the forum he was at. And that Musk joke was awful and I winced when it fell so flat.

I am amped up for some Crusades.

Nah.

Disagree. Anytime you have a public forum to decry EU censorship to EU officials is appropriate.

Think of this as a Norm McDonald performance. Sometimes he landed jokes with great audience feedback, sometimes he just reveled in audience discomfort. Europe is long overdue for a wake up call.

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We must do more than talk about democratic values. We must live them now.
Within living memory of many of you in this room, the Cold War positioned defenders of democracy against much more tyrannical forces on this continent.
And consider the side in that fight that censored dissidents, that closed churches, that cancelled elections. Were they the good guys? Certainly not.
And thank God they lost the Cold War. They lost because they neither valued nor respected all of the extraordinary blessings of liberty, the freedom to surprise, to make mistakes, to invent, to build.
As it turns out, you can't mandate innovation or creativity, just as you can't force people what to think, what to feel or what to believe, and we believe those things are certainly connected.
And unfortunately, when I look at Europe today, it's sometimes not so clear what happened to some of the Cold War's winners.

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For years, we've been told that everything we fund and support is in the name of our shared democratic values, everything from our Ukraine policy to digital censorship, is billed as a defense of democracy.

But when we see European courts cancelling elections and senior officials threatening to cancel others, we ought to ask whether we're holding ourselves to an appropriately high standard.

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If American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunberg's scolding, you guys can survive a few months of Elon Musk.

But what German democracy, what no democracy, American, German or European, will survive, is telling millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their aspirations, their pleas for relief, are invalid or unworthy of even being considered.

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Calling them out for the suppression of free speech.

I want to see 4 years of this. Break out the flamethrower and light them up at every event.

Your VD(S) is showing!!!

I'm past being overly polite to Europe. We tried that for many years with very little to show for it. Our soldiers sacrifice their lives for them. We pay more than our fair share to NATO and the UN. We offer protection and intel for threats in their backyard. And we're supposed to stay silent as they destroy their country with harmful immigration and ani- free speech laws. Fogetaboutit.

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Very good on the world stage.

JD Vance is setting the EU nations on fire to their faces right now for being rank hypocrites on democracy and freedom of expression.

So good.

pic.twitter.com/YDBTtHIRDM

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) February 14, 2025

🚨🔥 Vice President JD Vance is dropping the HAMMER at the Munich Security Conference:

"If the American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunburg scolding, you can survive a few months of Elon Musk,
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— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) February 14, 2025

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He's killing it. He was super smart guy and an outstanding debater. Very few political cronies will be able to take him on.

I hope he burns all that krap down.

Europe needs to be shamed into correct behavior. They do not provide for their own defense. They do not provide for their own energy needs. They do not foster a culture of freedom. They DO value "refugees" over their own citizens.

They love to brag about their virtue, while relying on us to pay their freight for defense and for medical innovation. We need to cut them off or see a tremendous increase in their support of the things they pawn off on us. All while trampling on the rights of their native populations. Without us, they would not be able to have the social hammock they have or Big Brother lording over their people. Let them know we are disgusted with them and let them pay for it all.

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Meh. I watched the whole thing live and it's the first time I feel like I he completely missed the mark of the forum. This was a sub par speech IMO and was all over the damn place and felt more like a campaign speech here in the US than a European security conference.

The only thing I felt like had true merit was the dangers of unfettered open immigration but it was a sub point that lasted a few minutes at best.

Just a very weird speech and honestly, felt like it was meant just for the GOP base here stateside. Which I know will be eaten up here but just felt largely out of place to me. Just my coupla cents though. Usually impressed with his stances and bearing but again, this just felt like an unorganized mess, given the forum he was at. And that Musk joke was awful and I winced when it fell so flat.

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Did he lie? Did he tell half truths? His Greta joke might've fallen flat but it was because of the audience not because it wasn't the truth. Keep worshipping your 12 year old climate heroines and your David Hoggs. Good for you.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Think of this as a Norm McDonald performance. Sometimes he landed jokes with great audience feedback, sometimes he just reveled in audience discomfort. Europe is long overdue for a wake up call.

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This wasn't a wake up call though. Not even close. This was a weird speech and honestly, tangent to me that was not the focus of everyone else there. Though there are other senators there to maybe hone in on specifics perhaps.

Just seemed tone deaf as all hell to me. Again, not a wake up call. A man speaking to a room who wasn't listening to him more like from what I could read.

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You're delusional. The audience was trying to find a place to hide because his words were spot on.

Perhaps the European audience had in mind was not in that room but the ones they fail to serve with their policies that will hear it?

Good. They don't often hear opposing views. Make them eat how pathetic and ridiculous they've become. Love the Cold War imagery; they have all become the Soviets.

Great speech. Hit the mark for sure and surely left a mark on the EU censorship state. Great job

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Usually impressed with his stances and bearing but again, this just felt like an unorganized mess, given the forum he was at. And that Musk joke was awful and I winced when it fell so flat.

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Did he lie? Did he tell half truths? His Greta joke might've fallen flat but it was because of the audience not because it wasn't the truth. Keep worshipping your 12 year old climate heroines and your David Hoggs. Good for you.

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Those idiots think Greta is a savant. An expert. They look to her for leadership.

They're exactly the people who should be nowhere near levers of power. They're betas. They're morons.

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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Think of this as a Norm McDonald performance. Sometimes he landed jokes with great audience feedback, sometimes he just reveled in audience discomfort. Europe is long overdue for a wake up call.

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This wasn't a wake up call though. Not even close. This was a weird speech and honestly, tangent to me that was not the focus of everyone else there. Though there are other senators there to maybe hone in on specifics perhaps.

Just seemed tone deaf as all hell to me. Again, not a wake up call. A man speaking to a room who wasn't listening to him more like from what I could read.

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What do you say, @eugyppius1

— FbF (@FistedFoucault) February 14, 2025

This is what we were hoping to see in 2017. Now it's here. https://t.co/WH2VXiLqEn

— FbF (@FistedFoucault) February 14, 2025

JD Vance just showed up at a meeting of franchisees of USA Inc. and shit all over them. The franchise owners don't know what to do because their friends at HQ have been in disarray since November, and aren't telling them how to react as they usually would do.

— FbF (@FistedFoucault) February 14, 2025

JD Vance warns European Leaders that mass migration is the most pressing issue facing their countries today and that if they don’t listen to people’s concerns about it they can’t consider themselves democracies - FULL https://t.co/xzt2x5l0pX pic.twitter.com/kJpaeoch1Q

— ɖʀʊӄքǟ ӄʊռʟɛʏ 🇧🇹🇹🇩 (@kunley_drukpa) February 14, 2025

The European right loved it because they, like us, hate their leftist elites.

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Meh. I watched the whole thing live and it's the first time I feel like I he completely missed the mark of the forum. This was a sub par speech IMO and was all over the damn place and felt more like a campaign speech here in the US than a European security conference.

The only thing I felt like had true merit was the dangers of unfettered open immigration but it was a sub point that lasted a few minutes at best.

Just a very weird speech and honestly, felt like it was meant just for the GOP base here stateside. Which I know will be eaten up here but just felt largely out of place to me. Just my coupla cents though. Usually impressed with his stances and bearing but again, this just felt like an unorganized mess, given the forum he was at. And that Musk joke was awful and I winced when it fell so flat.

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Really dumb take here he scolds them while being polite, talk about tone deaf

He's a great speaker. Our future holds promise - Vance '28!

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Eliminatus said:

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Meh. I watched the whole thing live and it's the first time I feel like I he completely missed the mark of the forum. This was a sub par speech IMO and was all over the damn place and felt more like a campaign speech here in the US than a European security conference.

The only thing I felt like had true merit was the dangers of unfettered open immigration but it was a sub point that lasted a few minutes at best.

Just a very weird speech and honestly, felt like it was meant just for the GOP base here stateside. Which I know will be eaten up here but just felt largely out of place to me. Just my coupla cents though. Usually impressed with his stances and bearing but again, this just felt like an unorganized mess, given the forum he was at. And that Musk joke was awful and I winced when it fell so flat.

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Did he lie? Did he tell half truths? His Greta joke might've fallen flat but it was because of the audience not because it wasn't the truth. Keep worshipping your 12 year old climate heroines and your David Hoggs. Good for you.

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You have no idea who I am or what I support. But sure there noob. Keep playing with your keyboard like it's the first time disagreeing with someone.

If anything, this is why I am disappointed in his speech. It is uncharacteristic to me. I was watching it live with a chat feed open and someone said something that stuck out to me. "It's like he doesn't want to be there". I don't know. Not a body language expert or anything but just struck me as off and even damn near rambling at times. Several times even I was like, "Huh?" and that is surprising as I usually think of him as very articulate.

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I mean, Trump did send him over there to tell everyone there to pound sand. He knew the reception he would get. As someone else mentioned, while the message was for those in the room, it was even more so for those not in the room. The message is you get the government you tolerate and deserve. Trump and JD and Elon are currently shining examples that you should expect more of your elected officials.

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Meh. I watched the whole thing live and it's the first time I feel like I he completely missed the mark of the forum. This was a sub par speech IMO and was all over the damn place and felt more like a campaign speech here in the US than a European security conference.

The only thing I felt like had true merit was the dangers of unfettered open immigration but it was a sub point that lasted a few minutes at best.

Just a very weird speech and honestly, felt like it was meant just for the GOP base here stateside. Which I know will be eaten up here but just felt largely out of place to me. Just my coupla cents though. Usually impressed with his stances and bearing but again, this just felt like an unorganized mess, given the forum he was at. And that Musk joke was awful and I winced when it fell so flat.

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I totally disagree with your take. JD Vance is at a security conference and he pointed out with many examples of why he thinks the biggest security threat to the EU is not from the outside, but from within. I think the speech we VERY good and VERY appropriate. I encourage everyone here to watch the entire speech.

The threat to defund NATO needs to be real if they are not to be full allies.

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Meh. I watched the whole thing live and it's the first time I feel like I he completely missed the mark of the forum. This was a sub par speech IMO and was all over the damn place and felt more like a campaign speech here in the US than a European security conference.

The only thing I felt like had true merit was the dangers of unfettered open immigration but it was a sub point that lasted a few minutes at best.

Just a very weird speech and honestly, felt like it was meant just for the GOP base here stateside. Which I know will be eaten up here but just felt largely out of place to me. Just my coupla cents though. Usually impressed with his stances and bearing but again, this just felt like an unorganized mess, given the forum he was at. And that Musk joke was awful and I winced when it fell so flat.

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I couldn't disagree more with this take.

He was 100% correct in outlining the greatest threats facing European civilization.

The leftwing globalist leaders absolutely deserved to and needed to be shamed publicly that way.

It was essential and proper that he included the United States in the public shaming as well, as we also have a very bad recent history of backsliding on democracy and free speech. He wasn't just "lecturing" them, he was "lecturing" us as well as part of our shared Western Civilization; recognizing that it is a family problem.

And perhaps most importantly, it was a clear message to all of the millions of populists, nationalists, conservatives, other various "right-wingers," and just everyday people being persecuted, silenced, and illegitimately excluded from the "democratic" processes, that the United States of America hears you and stands with you on behalf of our common democratic values.

Regarding this last point, I see Vance's speech as very much like, and as potentially as significant as, President Reagan's "Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down this Wall" speech. Like Reagan's speech inspired and gave confidence to the democratic dissidents behind the Iron Curtain in the 1980s to redouble their efforts against their Soviet overlords... my hope is that Vance's speech will both inspire and give confidence to the everyday people of Europe and the nationalist and populist movements that represent them, to stand up to their own commissars today.