Mennonites are somewhere between Amish and Baptists on the modern tools acceptance scale. I suspect it depends on the local congregation how much they accept

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Ann2321 said:

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There are a lot of illegals in west Texas who have not had Mmr and were not tested at border

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1) Agree
2) Moot point. It came from Mennonite population

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Blame the 1st measles case that spreads.

Probably from sharing cigs between the Mennonite kids. I swear they turn 5 and get their first pack. But the illegal Mennonites won't see any press bc white people can't be oppressed.

Ann2321 said:

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There are a lot of illegals in west Texas who have not had Mmr and were not tested at border

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It's both

1) The COVID vaccine can be unneeded and maybe dangerous.
2) Traditional vaccines can effective.

Both things can be true but nuance is difficult for many, especially those that believe that are too smart to be duped.

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Larry S Ross said:

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In the 50s we all got the measles as kids. Miss 3 days of school and then back at it.

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As long as an infant doesn't catch it. Vaccines have a place. However the BS of covid and these crazy vaccines schedules are not the answer.

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That and they changed the definition of "vaccine" twice to cover the newer shots. The CDC & NIH has severely damaged the trust many people had in these bureaucracies.
Blame the miscreants like Dr. Fauci.

The Fall Guy said:

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Secolobo said:

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Gosh, I wonder who brought that in?
They weren't vaccinating at the border like the libs told us they were doing for COVID…?

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No it couldn't be the 10's of millions of illegals from 3rd world countries bringing in disease.

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But it was not. The outbreak is in thr Menonite community. Not the immigrant.

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So who infected the 1st Mennonite, and what was the source of the speed? Do any animals transport the disease?

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Captain Winky said:

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There are several anti-vax comments in this thread already. Are those posters Mennonites? They don't seem to fit the description of traditional conservatives.

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maga "conservatism" believes ignorance is their strength

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Being anti-vax and being maga conservative are not tied together but you knew that. Which leaves one to believe you may be just trying to stir up bull*****

OldArmy71 said:

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I remember polio very well. It was a dreaded terror of my childhood.

I, along with most of my classmates, got the Salk vaccine when it first came out in the early 50s.

The vaccine was too late for one of my classmates, who spent his life in a wheelchair.

I taught for years with a wonderful woman who used crutches all her life because the virus had hit her when there was no vaccine.

One of my classmates in high school survived the polio she contracted before the vaccine, but has suffered quite a bit in her elderly years from post-polio syndrome.

God bless those who worked to save children from this terrible illness.

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My mother had polio and lost at least one muscle in her leg. She was lucky.

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Buck Turgidson said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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Secolobo said:

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Gosh, I wonder who brought that in?
They weren't vaccinating at the border like the libs told us they were doing for COVID…?

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That's not where it came from. My brother had measels in 1989 at Austin College in Sherman TX and didn't come from an immigrant. Out breaks happen. Even to those vaccinated like he was.

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You can get measles even if you had the vaccine?! What the hell is the point of the vaccine then?

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Vaccines do not prevent you from getting infected. They prompt the creation of antibodies that will fight the infection. Without the vaccine, it takes a period of time for the body to detect the threat and generate the antibodies. This provides the invading virus more time to multiply. The resulting damage and associated symptoms are significantly more severe.

• Exactly

Btw,

A coronavirus is more difficult to deal with due to its ability to evolve fairly rapidly.

• And the mRNA "vaccines" required the redefining what a vaccine was.
• The Novavax was a more traditional vaccine but necessarily requires more time to develop.
• The rapid mutation of COVID 19 was known early on and many virologists predicted it would lose virulence equally as rapid. Seems these virologists were correct.

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Unfortunately the continuous spewing of lies by Dr. Fauci, the NHI and CDC has greatly damaged, possibly for generations, any trust we have in these bureaucracies.

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Teslag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Most conservatives are quite ok with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested and proven. And that actually prevent infection and transmission.

The mRNA vax was none of those things.

No legit reason for not getting the MMR vax.

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No vaccine 100% prevents infection and transmission

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They do not prevent infection at all.

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This is simply not true. Most of the proven vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing disease. When was the last time you saw wild polio, haemophalus, mumps, whopping cough, tetanus, strep pneumonia empyema or meningitis, neiserria meningitis?

All of these vaccines have made these illnesses, which were once very common, almost unheard of. You do realize that 48 cases of measles is an outbreak due to the remarkable efficacy of the vaccine. Not 48,000 cases.... 48!

Now the vaccines for flu and covid are a different story, they kind of suck.

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I think the point is that once the virus gets into your body you have been infected, the vaccine prompts a relatively immediate response eliminating the virus.
Yes you are correct that many' of the vaccines had virtually eliminated widespread diseases.

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KidDoc said:

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IIIHorn said:

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Teslag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Most conservatives are quite ok with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested and proven. And that actually prevent infection and transmission.

The mRNA vax was none of those things.

No legit reason for not getting the MMR vax.

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No vaccine 100% prevents infection and transmission

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They do not prevent infection at all.

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This is simply not true. Most of the proven vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing disease. When was the last time you saw wild polio, haemophalus, mumps, whopping cough, tetanus, strep pneumonia empyema or meningitis, neiserria meningitis?

All of these vaccines have made these illnesses, which were once very common, almost unheard of. You do realize that 48 cases of measles is an outbreak due to the remarkable efficacy of the vaccine. Not 48,000 cases.... 48!

Now the vaccines for flu and covid are a different story, they kind of suck.

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I think the point is that once the virus gets into your body you have been infected, the vaccine prompts a relatively immediate response eliminating the virus.
Yes you are correct that many's of the vaccines had virtually eliminated widespread diseases.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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There are Mennonite colonies in Mexico. One would expect a lot of interactions between the ones in Seminole and Mexico.

I would be at farm sales sometimes, and see a Mennonite family, looking like poster kids for the Aryan Nation. All blonde hair and blue eyes...

...speaking Spanish. It was a little weird.

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As someone that has worked out there the past 6-7 years, I can tell you almost all of these mennonites are from Mexico. Pretty cool seeing them switch from English to Spanish to German without skipping a beat. They're all named Peter, John, or Henry, and there are only 10 last names in the whole county (that's hyperbole).

Buck Turgidson said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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Secolobo said:

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Gosh, I wonder who brought that in?
They weren't vaccinating at the border like the libs told us they were doing for COVID…?

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That's not where it came from. My brother had measels in 1989 at Austin College in Sherman TX and didn't come from an immigrant. Out breaks happen. Even to those vaccinated like he was.

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You can get measles even if you had the vaccine?! What the hell is the point of the vaccine then?

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First time thinking about how the immune system works?

This guy is hilarious

If he doesn't have kids it's funny, if he does it's pathetically sad.

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If he doesn't have kids it's funny, if he does it's pathetically sad.

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Sounds like it's a religious view, but he's trying really hard to make it agree with science. As in, "vaccines were developed with some questionable ethics; therefore they must not work." The world just isn't that simple, though. I can at least see the logic.

Oh ****, one of the anti-vaxx facebook granola moms are out loose.

Once the bat**** crazy is out, it's almost impossible to put it back.

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Teslag said:

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If he doesn't have kids it's funny, if he does it's pathetically sad.

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Sounds like it's a religious view, but he's trying really hard to make it agree with science. As in, "vaccines were developed with some questionable ethics; therefore they must not work." The world just isn't that simple, though. I can at least see the logic.

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It shouldn't matter if it's religious or scientific; vaccines should not be mandated. We should all have a choice if what we put in our bodies. What's wrong with that?

Secolobo said:

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Gosh, I wonder who brought that in?
They weren't vaccinating at the border like the libs told us they were doing for COVID…?

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I think that the major outbreaks tend to be in Asia (especially regions in and around the Middle East) and in Africa.

I don't know about the current outbreaks, but I have read that in the smaller outbreaks in the past, it was often brought in by people who had traveled to other countries.

That said, the biggest danger is for those who haven't been vaccinated.

As for myself, I have no idea if I have ever been vaccinated for it. My younger brother had it, but I never have.

Were measles vaccinations required in the early 1970s to attend A&M? If they were, then I probably have been vaccinated,. If they weren't required then, I probably haven't been vaccinated.

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Been in Gaines county for a good while now.

Let me tell you the mask mandates in 2020 lasted about 3 hours.

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The toughest around here was the local grocery store.

They wouldn't even let you in if you had been exposed to someone with covid within the previous month. There procedure was that you would make a list and they do your shopping for you and bring it to the door where you would either sign for it to be biill later, or pay them at the door.

It actually saved me money since most of what I tend to buy wasn't on my list.

The funny thing was that after having had covid and being over it, it was thirty days before I could go back in since having it counted as exposure to it.

Buck Turgidson said:

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The Fall Guy said:

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Secolobo said:

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Gosh, I wonder who brought that in?
They weren't vaccinating at the border like the libs told us they were doing for COVID…?

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That's not where it came from. My brother had measels in 1989 at Austin College in Sherman TX and didn't come from an immigrant. Out breaks happen. Even to those vaccinated like he was.

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You can get measles even if you had the vaccine?! What the hell is the point of the vaccine then?

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The amount of protection you get from a vaccination is somewhat probabilistic. A lot depends on the state of your immunity when you get the vaccination. If your immunity is low when you get vaccinated, you probably won't gain as much immunity from it as you would if you were healthy.

When I go to the doctor for routine things like my yearly blood test for my thyroid, I usually ask if they have any vaccines that I should get. If I go there because I'm sick at the time, I don't ask.

Also, if I've been sick when they are in the area giving out their flu vaccinations, I wait until later after my immunity has been built back up a bit.

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TexasAggie73 said:

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The antivaxers have been around a lot longer than Covid. It didn't help when a doctor sent out an article that vaccines caused autism. He was later proven wrong and his medical license was revoked.

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He wasn't proven wrong.

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Funny.

Wekefield had a vested interest in getting people to switch to his vaccine so he published a fraudulent paper that he later had to retract.

There have been plenty of studies of the same vaccine since then and they have failed to substantiate Wakefield's fraudulent claims.

Wakefield didn't publish those "studies" because he belied them to be true. He published them to sway opinion against the vaccines being given to get them to use his vaccine.

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damiond said:

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vaccines make weak people

and make rich people

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My uncle had polio, we did not. I guess we are both weak.

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It's possible you had polio as it was originally defined and didn't know it. Just like COVID, much of it was defined away. For example, in order to have a polio diagnosis originally you needed to have symptoms for about 3 days. It was later changed to 30 days and poof, polio cases plummeted!

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30 days and the need for iron lung machines dropped?

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"At the expense of others lives…"

Is measles deadly? Come on…

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Yes.

It can also cause visual loss and blindness.

Do you want that for your kids?

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SociallyConditionedAg said:

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doubledog said:

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damiond said:

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vaccines make weak people

and make rich people

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My uncle had polio, we did not. I guess we are both weak.

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It's possible you had polio as it was originally defined and didn't know it. Just like COVID, much of it was defined away. For example, in order to have a polio diagnosis originally you needed to have symptoms for about 3 days. It was later changed to 30 days and poof, polio cases plummeted!

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Polio vaccine had a little something to do with it.

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Polio was almost eradicated before the vaccine came out.

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What make-believe fairy tales have you been reading?

There is no truth to that statement at all. It isn't even close to being accurate. It would be difficult to say anything even more inaccurate.

Burdizzo said:

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Is it racist to call it German measles?

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German measles is from a different measles virus.

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damiond said:

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vaccines make weak people

and make rich people

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My uncle had polio, we did not. I guess we are both weak.

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It's possible you had polio as it was originally defined and didn't know it. Just like COVID, much of it was defined away. For example, in order to have a polio diagnosis originally you needed to have symptoms for about 3 days. It was later changed to 30 days and poof, polio cases plummeted!

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Polio vaccine had a little something to do with it.

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Polio was almost eradicated before the vaccine came out.

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How?

Magic spells and wishes?

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Why don't you educate yourself and look into it? The data shows it was almost gone.

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You seem to be the one who needs to educate himself.

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TexasAggie73 said:

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The antivaxers have been around a lot longer than Covid. It didn't help when a doctor sent out an article that vaccines caused autism. He was later proven wrong and his medical license was revoked.

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He wasn't proven wrong.

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He was proven to be a fraud and lost his medical license. I'd say that was pretty wrong.

https://www.livescience.com/35341-mmr-vaccine-linked-autism-study-was-elaborate-fraud.html

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He dared take a position opposite big pharma and they fraudulently took away his license. That doesn't make him wrong, it just proves they're evil.

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What fairy tale books are you reading?

Ann2321 said:

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There are a lot of illegals in west Texas who have not had Mmr and were not tested at border

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A local woman hired a housekeeper who had just arrived from Mexico.

What was one of the housekeeper's first concerns? Learning where to get their kids all the vaccinations.

It's not that the kids hadn't been vaccinated. Mexico doesn't have nearly as large a list of vaccinations for kids, but the MMR is definitely on the list of what they do have.

FireAg said:

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Their children…their choice…

If your child gets the measles vaxx, then it shouldn't bother you what others do, your kid will be fine…

Pretty simple…

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So "gender confirmation" surgery would be ok too?

Their children - their choice - right?

Have a second child to provide organ transplants for a sick first child?

Their children - their choice - right?

The line gets drawn somewhere of what parents can do to their children. Frankly, since measles isn't all that deadly, I'm ok with parents refusing the vaccine. But then they shouldn't be allowed to send their kids to public schools.

Their children - their choice - their consequences.

Average Joe said:

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I love how much some people will fight and fight to end abortion, but once that kid is born...

WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME!!

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Thank you - I needed a good laugh this morning.

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FireAg said:

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Their children…their choice…

If your child gets the measles vaxx, then it shouldn't bother you what others do, your kid will be fine…

Pretty simple…

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So "gender confirmation" surgery would be ok too?

Their children - their choice - right?

Have a second child to provide organ transplants for a sick first child?

Their children - their choice - right?

The line gets drawn somewhere of what parents can do to their children. Frankly, since measles isn't all that deadly, I'm ok with parents refusing the vaccine. But then they shouldn't be allowed to send their kids to public schools.

Their children - their choice - their consequences.

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How about if we eliminate the requirements but make the parents financially responsible if a member of their family gets measles and passes it to someone else?

I think that in many cases, regulations are designed to reduce a problem in order to avoid much liability. Would it be good to eliminate the regulations and instead hold the parents responsible?