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Don't give a rat's patootie at this time. He is not a citizen. He WAS a guest until he became an animal. Get him out of here.

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Non-citizens, even those with green cards, get some constitutional rights whether you like it or not. The fact that you don't give a flying **** about his due process rights tells me you're only in favor of it when it's people you like.

"Some."

Insert tom Hermanza gif.

HTownAg98 said:

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Yeah, **** due process. Why is that constitution standing in the way of deporting him?

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**** lawfare. Dude should be deported on the outside of a rocket.

🚨🚨🚨BREAKING: More details in Khalil case just filed. 1/

— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) March 14, 2025

3/ So Khalikl wants to immediate do briefing on his "Mapp" motion while government says, no first decide if you have jurisdiction. pic.twitter.com/CtuxJPQX1z

— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) March 14, 2025

5/ This letter makes clear Khalil main effort was to get an order of release from NY court based on Mapp. Guess I'm going to need to research that more...

— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) March 14, 2025

7/ Seventh Circuit disagrees with Mapp: https://t.co/SbpKxJT84U

— Margot Cleveland (@ProfMJCleveland) March 14, 2025

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Non-citizens, even those with green cards, get some constitutional rights whether you like it or not. The fact that you don't give a flying **** about his due process rights tells me you're only in favor of it when it's people you like.

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In which ways is he not receiving due process accorded to his status? He has attorneys, private attorneys not public defenders from what I can tell. Court held a hearing, but there was a jurisdiction issue that is specific to a habeas petition. Court can dismiss or transfer to the Louisiana court that does have jurisdiction over the custodian, thus curing the jurisdiction problem.

So how is he not receiving due process in what is essentially a civil admin law proceeding? His lawyers can still appeal an adverse finding ,through a collateral attack upon the statute under which he is being deported, no?

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I'm not saying he isn't, because he certainly is. Hell, at last count, he has 19 attorneys that have made an appearance. My point is more directed at those that think he should just be picked up and given a one-way ticket somewhere out of the country. That's not how it works.

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HTownAg98 said:

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Bucketrunner said:

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Don't give a rat's patootie at this time. He is not a citizen. He WAS a guest until he became an animal. Get him out of here.

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Non-citizens, even those with green cards, get some constitutional rights whether you like it or not. The fact that you don't give a flying **** about his due process rights tells me you're only in favor of it when it's people you like.

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Sure, but his green card can be revoked, then those rights disapeer

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True, but as long as he's on US soil, those due process rights stay with him. Once he's removed, those rights disappear.

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Non-citizens, even those with green cards, get some constitutional rights whether you like it or not. The fact that you don't give a flying **** about his due process rights tells me you're only in favor of it when it's people you like.

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He would never have gotten a green card had it not been for the corruption of the pieces of crap in the Biden School of Puppetry. His time here has ended. Adios, mofo.

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Whether he should have gotten a green card to begin with is irrelevant at this point, because he has it. So we get to deal with that for now. And while he's here, he is entitled to due process.

Dude is a piece of ***** But even pieces of **** have certain rights. If they don't, then we should take the constitution and throw it in the trash, because it doesn't mean anything then.

Who gives a crap about where he was. Screw those weasels. Send the rat to Syria by ship.

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I'm not saying he isn't, because he certainly is. Hell, at last count, he has 19 attorneys that have made an appearance. My point is more directed at those that think he should just be picked up and given a one-way ticket somewhere out of the country. That's not how it works.

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Aah, okay. Sorry, I misunderstood.

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aggiehawg said:

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Non-citizens, even those with green cards, get some constitutional rights whether you like it or not. The fact that you don't give a flying **** about his due process rights tells me you're only in favor of it when it's people you like.

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In which ways is he not receiving due process accorded to his status? He has attorneys, private attorneys not public defenders from what I can tell. Court held a hearing, but there was a jurisdiction issue that is specific to a habeas petition. Court can dismiss or transfer to the Louisiana court that does have jurisdiction over the custodian, thus curing the jurisdiction problem.

So how is he not receiving due process in what is essentially a civil admin law proceeding? His lawyers can still appeal an adverse finding ,through a collateral attack upon the statute under which he is being deported, no?

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I'm not saying he isn't, because he certainly is. Hell, at last count, he has 19 attorneys that have made an appearance. My point is more directed at those that think he should just be picked up and given a one-way ticket somewhere out of the country. That's not how it works.

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He'd serve his cause better going home and fixing his country instead of trying to destabilize the US. Screw that rat and anyone defending him.

Maybe so, but he's here so we get to deal with him, and part of that is he gets to have a hearing regarding his deportation.

John Adams would like to have a word with you about defending people we loathe.

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I'm not saying he isn't, because he certainly is. Hell, at last count, he has 19 attorneys that have made an appearance. My point is more directed at those that think he should just be picked up and given a one-way ticket somewhere out of the country. That's not how it works.

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Don't even care.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying he isn't, because he certainly is. Hell, at last count, he has 19 attorneys that have made an appearance. My point is more directed at those that think he should just be picked up and given a one-way ticket somewhere out of the country. That's not how it works.

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Don't even care.

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As someone who told another poster here to read the constitution, maybe you should read it yourself. Pay particular attention to Amendment 5.

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The fact that a terrorist sympathizer has 19 attorneys says a lot about our current state of affairs.

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And he's some sort of spy.

Should be drawn and quartered. He's not American. He shouldn't even have a green card.

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Another thing about Khalil's employment history. Exactly what may have gotten him on the administration's radar?

He worked in the past for an NGO receiving $$$ from USAID.

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now reports that Khalil within a few years was in the UK in grad school, working with a UK security clearance, moved to USA, led this terrorist group, got married, having a kid, got a Green Card, has 14 very expensive criminal defense attorneys within 24 hours of arrest.

all within 2 years

PSYOP

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MI6 / CIA agent ?
Publicly throw him out, provides intel overseas?

Islamic James Bond

Side note: although Rubio's designation (and maybe Noem's) is sufficient for ICE to detain him while a thorough review is done on all of his paperwork, applications for visa, extensions of visa, green card. Any false statements or omissions on those applications can be a separate issue warranting deportation.

So there is a lot left to learn about this guy and his past.

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Non-citizens, even those with green cards, get some constitutional rights whether you like it or not. The fact that you don't give a flying **** about his due process rights tells me you're only in favor of it when it's people you like.

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He would never have gotten a green card had it not been for the corruption of the pieces of crap in the Biden School of Puppetry. His time here has ended. Adios, mofo.

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Whether he should have gotten a green card to begin with is irrelevant at this point, because he has it. So we get to deal with that for now. And while he's here, he is entitled to due process.

Dude is a piece of ***** But even pieces of **** have certain rights. If they don't, then we should take the constitution and throw it in the trash, because it doesn't mean anything then.

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I think the constitution has already been selectively thrown in the trash.

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HTownAg98 said:

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Bucketrunner said:

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Don't give a rat's patootie at this time. He is not a citizen. He WAS a guest until he became an animal. Get him out of here.

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Non-citizens, even those with green cards, get some constitutional rights whether you like it or not. The fact that you don't give a flying **** about his due process rights tells me you're only in favor of it when it's people you like.

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Sure, but his green card can be revoked, then those rights disapeer

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Was there some precedent that setup this silly idea that non-citizens can demand anything other than basic human rights? Why all the access to the legal obstacles and hurdles it generates? What have they done to rate it?

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Side note: although Rubio's designation (and maybe Noem's) is sufficient for ICE to detain him while a thorough review is done on all of his paperwork, applications for visa, extensions of visa, green card. Any false statements or omissions on those applications can be a separate issue warranting deportation.

So there is a lot left to learn about this guy and his past.

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"Fraud and Willful Misrepresentation in Obtaining Green Card Status. A person cannot lawfully gain permanent residence if they obtained LPR status through fraud or misrepresentation of material facts. If a person uses deception to obtain their green card, they are not eligible for naturalization under INA 318"

In simple terms the FAFO clause.

Rubio dropping truth bombs. Must. Listen. pic.twitter.com/tsS2RzADXG

— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) March 12, 2025

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samurai_science said:

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Bucketrunner said:

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Don't give a rat's patootie at this time. He is not a citizen. He WAS a guest until he became an animal. Get him out of here.

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Non-citizens, even those with green cards, get some constitutional rights whether you like it or not. The fact that you don't give a flying **** about his due process rights tells me you're only in favor of it when it's people you like.

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Sure, but his green card can be revoked, then those rights disapeer

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Was there some precedent that setup this silly idea that non-citizens can demand anything other than basic human rights? Why all the access to the legal obstacles and hurdles it generates? What have they done to rate it?

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"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

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Show the class where it says citizen there.

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I can partially clarify and it goes back to the manner in which the Constitution was drafted. Due process is a right afforded to "persons" in the US. Those rights were not restricted to only citizens. He is being detained, a liberty issue.

That is not the same as saying he has the full panoply of rights an Am Cit does. His first amendment, including free speech and freedom of association can be restricted for instance, without being charged with a crime. But there are fundamental rights by virtue of just being on American soil.

Someone here, probably HTown gave a good example of why even horrible people from other countries should still get to have their day in court. And I found it pretty convincing myself.

And let me say this guy is doing bad stuff here and I agree he needs to be deported.

But let's say you were here as a green card holder or even a visa. And someone stole your identity and was breaking laws or doing things that would warrant you getting deported.

You would want your day in court to say that you have been a victim of stolen identity and get your side of the story heard.

Now this case seems to be way more cut and dry than that, but being able to have your day in court is a bedrock of the constitution that everyone moans about here when a lefty does something to go against the constitution.

As long as he stays in prison until he is deported, he needs to have his day in court. That way there is no way to twist it and be the victim. Not to mention it will probably keep him from ever coming here legally in the future.

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Someone here, probably HTown gave a good example of why even horrible people from other countries should still get to have their day in court. And I found it pretty convincing myself.

And let me say this guy is doing bad stuff here and I agree he needs to be deported.

But let's say you were here as a green card holder or even a visa. And someone stole your identity and was breaking laws or doing things that would warrant you getting deported.

You would want your day in court to say that you have been a victim of stolen identity and get your side of the story heard.

Now this case seems to be way more cut and dry than that, but being able to have your day in court is a bedrock of the constitution that everyone moans about here when a lefty does something to go against the constitution.

As long as he stays in prison until he is deported, he needs to have his day in court. That way there is no way to twist it and be the victim. Not to mention it will probably keep him from ever coming here legally in the future.

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People here also tend to conflate criminal proceedings with civil proceedings. They are different. Have a different set of federal rules for each. There can be some crossover in certain cases.

But as it stands now, Khalil is going through a civil administrative process, not a criminal one. He can still stay silent and let his multiple attorneys speak for him as the possibility of incriminating himself by talking to federal authorities is real, for instance. And since he is being detained, that potential for exposure is elevated.

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Maybe so, but he's here so we get to deal with him, and part of that is he gets to have a hearing regarding his deportation.

John Adams would like to have a word with you about defending people we loathe.

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Yes. Strip him of his green card. That's administrative and send him packing back to Syria. John Adams would have done the same and defended such administrative procedure.

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Someone here, probably HTown gave a good example of why even horrible people from other countries should still get to have their day in court. And I found it pretty convincing myself.

And let me say this guy is doing bad stuff here and I agree he needs to be deported.

But let's say you were here as a green card holder or even a visa. And someone stole your identity and was breaking laws or doing things that would warrant you getting deported.

You would want your day in court to say that you have been a victim of stolen identity and get your side of the story heard.

Now this case seems to be way more cut and dry than that, but being able to have your day in court is a bedrock of the constitution that everyone moans about here when a lefty does something to go against the constitution.

As long as he stays in prison until he is deported, he needs to have his day in court. That way there is no way to twist it and be the victim. Not to mention it will probably keep him from ever coming here legally in the future.

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He'll get his day in court. In Louisiana, not NYC.