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normiecons larping as if this country still has or ever has had a coherent future with a politically correct / dignified litmus test

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It's amazing that anyone thinks we aren't going to descend into tribalism and somehow buck what has happened in literally every other nation on the planet in throughout world history.

But our magic dirt is different!

nobody tell them what Caesar did to his co-consul Bibulus on the forum

You can go more tribal but notice your word "descend" -- it is a regression. It is better to look at measures that restore power to the productive and wholesome of any stripe.

This even applies to any hard ball push back. Franco even took into consideration what drives the deranged aspect of Leftism we see re-displaying again today.

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You can go more tribal but notice your word "descend" -- it is a regression. It is better to look at measures that restore power to the productive and wholesome of any stripe.

This even applies to any hard ball push back. Franco even took into consideration what drives the deranged aspect of Leftism we see re-displaying again today.

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It's not a regression, this is human nature and exactly how humans react to increased diversity.

Stop associating this with regression, this implies that progressive and Marxist worldviews have the moral high ground. You literally give the left power over you when you make statements like this.

When a group is under threat by outsiders, it will always go insular. This is literally part of our evolutionary history and has been proven over and over again throughout historical record.

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titan said:

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You can go more tribal but notice your word "descend" -- it is a regression. It is better to look at measures that restore power to the productive and wholesome of any stripe.

This even applies to any hard ball push back. Franco even took into consideration what drives the deranged aspect of Leftism we see re-displaying again today.

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It's not a regression, this is human nature and exactly how humans react to increased diversity.

Stop associating this with regression, this implies that progressive and Marxist worldviews have the moral high ground. You literally give the left power over you when you make statements like this.

When a group is under threat by outsiders, it will always go insular. This is literally part of our evolutionary history and has been proven over and over again throughout historical record.

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Under Threat, yes. Justified. I am speaking of as a general outlook. For where we were, it would be a regression. But Note: The regression has already happened. I fully recognize that. I am speaking of the goal after the righting the ship.

As you also know, Western Civ's greatest accomplishments is when getting a little above human nature absolutely dictating what is agreeable. Christianity itself restrains that a bit.

But your point on the present is not denied.

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Fuzzy Dunlop said:

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I highly doubt this is a hoax/setup. The left would never do anything like this.

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Some of yall are in denial about this. This is absolutely how the Gen Z right are

They grew up under a constant barrage of racial epithets, what did anyone expect? They're going to be racist, they've been told their whole lives racism is one of the highest virtues you can have, albeit only acceptable when it's aimed at themselves. The guys with enough testosterone to not bow down to that are going to sling it right back.

This is the world that was made for them. Wish we weren't here but there's no going back

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NO, and again that is entirely the fault of the Left use of the Institutions. Have tracked it since Y2K and the distortions about W, and the even more harmless Romney. No, the Progressive Left worked hard to earn all this. There may be no going back, but you CAN adjust and termper the way forward.

These reactionaries need to look away from Hitler. Stay away. Look to Franco, or even Mussolini and Pinochet.

Hitler's system was wicked in fundamentals that even stand outside the standard frame -- in its "one size fits all" it indeed reflect its left growth out of the attitudes of Marxism.

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The left caused it. It's not their fault alone though, older conservatives just sat back and let it happen, fully content with selling out their children as long as their 401K kept climbing. That's exactly why I don't see it being tempered much, these guys are fully convinced (and not without good reason) that the adults in their lives are all full of ****/completely psyop'd and shouldn't be listened to

I agree with you that the nazi LARPing is ******ed. That's been a large point of contention in the alt-right (or whatever you want to call it) and unfortunately there has been so much lying and gaslighting surrounding nazism in our politics that once again, the youngn's are just going to throw out what they've been taught and believe whatever they want.

Muktheduck said:

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titan said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Fuzzy Dunlop said:

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I highly doubt this is a hoax/setup. The left would never do anything like this.

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Some of yall are in denial about this. This is absolutely how the Gen Z right are

They grew up under a constant barrage of racial epithets, what did anyone expect? They're going to be racist, they've been told their whole lives racism is one of the highest virtues you can have, albeit only acceptable when it's aimed at themselves. The guys with enough testosterone to not bow down to that are going to sling it right back.

This is the world that was made for them. Wish we weren't here but there's no going back

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NO, and again that is entirely the fault of the Left use of the Institutions. Have tracked it since Y2K and the distortions about W, and the even more harmless Romney. No, the Progressive Left worked hard to earn all this. There may be no going back, but you CAN adjust and termper the way forward.

These reactionaries need to look away from Hitler. Stay away. Look to Franco, or even Mussolini and Pinochet.

Hitler's system was wicked in fundamentals that even stand outside the standard frame -- in its "one size fits all" it indeed reflect its left growth out of the attitudes of Marxism.

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The left caused it. It's not their fault alone though, older conservatives just sat back and let it happen, fully content with selling out their children as long as their 401K kept climbing. That's exactly why I don't see it being tempered much, these guys are fully convinced (and not without good reason) that the adults in their lives are all full of ****/completely psyop'd and shouldn't be listened to

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Only partly to blame for that though. Most of it was due to the RINO nature of the GOP-E. If all you have is W to elect, you elect him over Gore. But that's not really the voters fault. Notice the GOP-E also sabotaged the Tea Party movement (even though it almost stopped Obamacare--- Roberts, feckless fool he was, let the Democrats get away with an illegal process that even Massachusetts tried to stop. He was a product of Bush -- that's not on the voters, really. Its not like Nader could have done anything to the GOP-E. We saw how mighty Trump as 45 really coudn't. )

So another thing the NeverTrumpers don't understand is their GOP-E created him, and the desire to can them right after every Leftist.

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I agree with you that the nazi LARPing is ******ed. That's been a large point of contention in the alt-right (or whatever you want to call it) and unfortunately there has been so much lying and gaslighting surrounding nazism in our politics that once again, the youngn's are just going to throw out what they've been taught and believe whatever they want.

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True. That's why trying the approach of just saying "go look, go read up on it. See for yourself." Very little learned came from school curriculum. Especially if accuracy is a value. Or even understanding of sides. As said elsewhere, in the 21st C, education has been Progressive Left. (Which is not saying wasn't sooner, but that's a fact)

Most dismiss the trend and ignore its peril. Would rather try to direct it from extremes without denying its validity in relation to the Left's demonstrated degeneracy and violent goals and enabling of such.

The desperate Democrats are grasping at straws.

Honestly, I don't care if they're racist or not.

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Oh, I know that all too well and more. What I am saying is, let's say you start with the controversial position of just looking at Nazism as a system.

I am saying it is peculiarly wicked, limiting and very warped in a way unique to it. In that sense it is closer to Mao's cultural revolution or the worst moments of the Bolshevik Stalinist Soviets (who actually had semi-normal spasms of history, so it makes sense to speak of "worst moments" it --- it also parallels the worst of the French Revolution.

If you look at the communism taught thread, I know that all is not taught even remotely close to correct. To even mention Horthy is to already enter a different level of examination.

Yet for the same reason any counter-reaction should not look at the absolute worst example -- if it must go there, don't go there.

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I don't think Nazi Germany can be examined except through the lens of post WWI Germany. What a disaster that was

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Oh, I know that all too well and more. What I am saying is, let's say you start with the controversial position of just looking at Nazism as a system.

I am saying it is peculiarly wicked, limiting and very warped in a way unique to it. In that sense it is closer to Mao's cultural revolution or the worst moments of the Bolshevik Stalinist Soviets (who actually had semi-normal spasms of history, so it makes sense to speak of "worst moments" it --- it also parallels the worst of the French Revolution.

If you look at the communism taught thread, I know that all is not taught even remotely close to correct. To even mention Horthy is to already enter a different level of examination.

Yet for the same reason any counter-reaction should not look at the absolute worst example -- if it must go there, don't go there.

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I don't think Nazi Germany can be examined except through the lens of post WWI Germany. What a disaster that was

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Agreed. And not from any ultra severe fault for the former. A good case can be made, perhaps in a novel by someone, that a Central Powers victory in WW One would have better. A post WW I Wilhelmine toned Europe with that Germany occupying the center stage (as does in the late 20th NATO/EU era) better than the one with a USSR and what unfolded.

Muktheduck said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Fuzzy Dunlop said:

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I highly doubt this is a hoax/setup. The left would never do anything like this.

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Some of yall are in denial about this. This is absolutely how the Gen Z right are

They grew up under a constant barrage of racial epithets, what did anyone expect? They're going to be racist, they've been told their whole lives racism is one of the highest virtues you can have, albeit only acceptable when it's aimed at themselves. The guys with enough testosterone to not bow down to that are going to sling it right back.

This is the world that was made for them. Wish we weren't here but there's no going back

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NO, and again that is entirely the fault of the Left use of the Institutions. Have tracked it since Y2K and the distortions about W, and the even more harmless Romney. No, the Progressive Left worked hard to earn all this. There may be no going back, but you CAN adjust and termper the way forward.

These reactionaries need to look away from Hitler. Stay away. Look to Franco, or even Mussolini and Pinochet.

Hitler's system was wicked in fundamentals that even stand outside the standard frame -- in its "one size fits all" it indeed reflect its left growth out of the attitudes of Marxism.

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The left caused it. It's not their fault alone though, older conservatives just sat back and let it happen, fully content with selling out their children as long as their 401K kept climbing. That's exactly why I don't see it being tempered much, these guys are fully convinced (and not without good reason) that the adults in their lives are all full of ****/completely psyop'd and shouldn't be listened to

I agree with you that the nazi LARPing is ******ed. That's been a large point of contention in the alt-right (or whatever you want to call it) and unfortunately there has been so much lying and gaslighting surrounding nazism in our politics that once again, the youngn's are just going to throw out what they've been taught and believe whatever they want.

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Re****ed or not, this is an easy situation. Friend/enemy distinction.

If a civil war was to erupt, who would have their rifle pointed the same way as mine, and who would be attacking me.

Post apocalyptic Marxist hellscapes create strange bedfellows

Correct. So not denying any of the concerns of Gen Z or after. Or what they may have to do. Definitely in the no enemies to the right for the moment mode, and actually, its their future. But it can't hurt to point out options less familiar and more promising.

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Kansas Young Republicans now inactive after racist chat messages get exposed | KCUR - Kansas City news and NPR

Some really horrible text messages. I tell my children to never ever put stuff like this out there as a joke. It is stored somewhere, and someone will find it and leak it.

Clean house.

‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat https://t.co/Ctqfzks2nI

— POLITICO (@politico) October 14, 2025

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There are nazi loving American racists in the Republican Party on social media?

It's social media, FFS. There's all kinds of filth from the right and the left, on there.

This isn't supposed to be "news" or shocking, is it?

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Correct. So not denying any of the concerns of Gen Z or after. Or what they may have to do. Definitely in the no enemies to the right for the moment mode, and actually, its their future. But it can't hurt to point out options less familiar and more promising.

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Reminds me a lot of the Spanish Civil War, the Nationalist wing wasn't a coherent group; you had the Carlists, the Falange, the Military, a confederation of Catholics and Basque Separatists, and random Nazi military "advisors"

You are going to have weirdos on your side, or you won't have a side.

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This is far worse than anything said in a college group chat, and the guy who said it could become the AG of Virginia. I refuse to join the pearl clutching when powerful people call for political violence. pic.twitter.com/kV57Wq7BLG

— JD Vance (@JDVance) October 14, 2025

This is the way to go.

Canceling college kids on the right over edgy jokes makes no sense while there are actual calls for violence or celebrations of murder coming from the left.

The right should be united on this and not make it a bigger deal than it is.

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Agreed. They're stupid college kids that need to embarrassed for being racist dumbasses. Hopefully they take this as a learning experience to not be a racist dumbass or, at least, if you just can't help yourself don't be stupid enough to write it down.

If you're an "adult" that can't help but be caught saying racist and anti-Semitic garbage then yeah, you deserve to be fired and shouldn't be shocked when you do. Simply putting it in writing shows you don't have the cognitive brain skills to make smart decisions.

all of the State Young Republicans are coming out and trying to gatekeep against their internal competition, which is the Charlie Kirk young white male grassroots. This is a coordinated institutional effort to lock out the RW youth from having any voice in the political process. https://t.co/IBk7qzX8KU

— Fugitive Caesar (@ThomBrady5) October 15, 2025

Yep, they are trying to posture against TPUSA.

Against Kirk's group even after all that has happened? So they are thoroughly in the roll over and go along affable camp.

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it isn't a big deal at all. literally everyone should just laugh, because its stupid.

the problem is we have a legacy contingent in the republican party that would rather be affable, dignified losers and ride this thing all the way into the ditch.

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I simply don't care. My enemies endorse the slaughter of unborn children. If I'm faced with them or fat groypers making Nazi jokes, I'm simply going to side with the fat groypers

This is paltry compared to how most young folks talk. You olds have no idea

The most important part here is that JD Vance defended it. Further signals to MAGA that if there are racist, they will be supported, defended, and valued. Vance believes that white Americans that can trace their roots to the civil war are the true Americans, vs more recent immigrants or descendants of more recent immigrants.

As a result Vance's standing will increase in MAGA.

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Zobel said:

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it isn't a big deal at all. literally everyone should just laugh, because its stupid.

the problem is we have a legacy contingent in the republican party that would rather be affable, dignified losers and ride this thing all the way into the ditch.

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This is why comedy isn't funny in comparison anymore. All of the best edgy humor comes from anonymous dissident sources on X, 4chan, and various private chats.

Chair of the Indiana Young Republicans, Melody Quante is a drunk driving, millennial quirk chungus who retweets Nina Turner, posts Howard Zinn quotes, and parrots leftist talking points on gun rights. You can’t make this shit up. https://t.co/u3gYPt5emv pic.twitter.com/nI5jJ7XuzI

— Ursa Major (@0UrsaMajor0) October 15, 2025

I guarantee every single "young Republican leader" condemning this has a past like this and is compromised to the core. They are leftists at heart.

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The most important part here is that JD Vance defended it. Further signals to MAGA that if there are racist, they will be supported, defended, and valued. Vance believes that white Americans that can trace their roots to the civil war are the true Americans, vs more recent immigrants or descendants of more recent immigrants.

As a result Vance's standing will increase in MAGA.

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Yes and these are all good things.

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This is paltry compared to how most young folks talk. You olds have no idea

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It looks like gamer chat or 4chan from 10-15 years ago.

*Which is pretty f'ing stupid to put in group chats with other political hacks who knew who they were.

It's only stupid if you play the longhouse game and act like it matters.

If it doesn't matter, it's not stupid.

And it doesn't matter.

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It's only stupid if you play the longhouse game and act like it matters.

If it doesn't matter, it's not stupid.

And it doesn't matter.

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Understanding that longhouse game and how that nonsense works is important. Some of the roll-overs pre-Trump period derive from that.