Young Republicans are idiots and maybe worse

29,168 Views | 412 Replies | Last: 5 mo ago by Serious Lee
shack009
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stone Choir said:

shack009 said:

Saxsoon said:

What a bunch of ****ing losers that should not be welcome in this party.


When will people realize this is the majority of the millennials and Gen Z in the Republican Party. This is what group chats look like now. This is the future of the party, like it or not.


Every man under the age of 45 is basically this way now on the right. We openly speak about Jews and Israel in my weekly men's Bible study.


If someone made a Hitler joke or talked about the "evil Jews" etc at our weekly Bible Study there would be a hard conversation after. This mindset is a tiny portion of an overly online and angsty far right who blame "others" for their own shortcomings instead of looking in the mirror. And just like the far left, a lot of them will change their views a move to the middle as they get older and more real world experience. Hopefully one day you'll figure out how much time you're wasting hating people you've never met.



One again the anti-antisemites prove they know absolutely nothing about the people of whom they speak. None of what you described is what is happening.

And I actually got more radicalized as I reached 30 and started a family.
Stone Choir
How long do you want to ignore this user?
shack009 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stone Choir said:

shack009 said:

Saxsoon said:

What a bunch of ****ing losers that should not be welcome in this party.


When will people realize this is the majority of the millennials and Gen Z in the Republican Party. This is what group chats look like now. This is the future of the party, like it or not.


Every man under the age of 45 is basically this way now on the right. We openly speak about Jews and Israel in my weekly men's Bible study.


If someone made a Hitler joke or talked about the "evil Jews" etc at our weekly Bible Study there would be a hard conversation after. This mindset is a tiny portion of an overly online and angsty far right who blame "others" for their own shortcomings instead of looking in the mirror. And just like the far left, a lot of them will change their views a move to the middle as they get older and more real world experience. Hopefully one day you'll figure out how much time you're wasting hating people you've never met.



One again the anti-antisemites prove they know absolutely nothing about the the people of whom they speak.

I actually got more radicalized as I reached 30 and started a family.


I became more radicalized after having kids, much much moreso. Why? Because my kids will have to grow up in this and unlike me, will be forced to deal with the major consequences of all of it. I have no idea what to recommend to them for jobs for example. They will be entirely on their own with only immediate family supporting them.
J. Walter Weatherman
How long do you want to ignore this user?
shack009 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stone Choir said:

shack009 said:

Saxsoon said:

What a bunch of ****ing losers that should not be welcome in this party.


When will people realize this is the majority of the millennials and Gen Z in the Republican Party. This is what group chats look like now. This is the future of the party, like it or not.


Every man under the age of 45 is basically this way now on the right. We openly speak about Jews and Israel in my weekly men's Bible study.


If someone made a Hitler joke or talked about the "evil Jews" etc at our weekly Bible Study there would be a hard conversation after. This mindset is a tiny portion of an overly online and angsty far right who blame "others" for their own shortcomings instead of looking in the mirror. And just like the far left, a lot of them will change their views a move to the middle as they get older and more real world experience. Hopefully one day you'll figure out how much time you're wasting hating people you've never met.



One again the anti-antisemites prove they know absolutely nothing about the people of whom they speak. None of what you described is what is happening.

And I actually got more radicalized as I reached 30 and started a family.


That's fine. You still represent a tiny segment of a segment of conservatives that will never sniff any type of position of power because your views are abhorrent to the majority of the country. Even here, which is probably 97% Republican, you only have 1 person who fully agrees with you and a few others that marginally do.

At some point you'll realize blaming everyone else for your own shortcomings is a waste of time.
Stone Choir
How long do you want to ignore this user?




For anyone who wants to understand why the far right criticizes Israel, this is why. Over and over again they lie.
J. Walter Weatherman
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Stone Choir said:





For anyone who wants to understand why the far right criticizes Israel, this is why. Over and over again they lie.


Lol. So 3d modeling software used 3d modeling assets to make 3d renderings, instead of…designing every single piece from scratch? This is some kind of gotcha? The entire point of creating something like this is that it's a model of what their best assumptions are in a space they don't have photos of. If they had the actual photos they would just use those.
shack009
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
J. Walter Weatherman said:

shack009 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stone Choir said:

shack009 said:

Saxsoon said:

What a bunch of ****ing losers that should not be welcome in this party.


When will people realize this is the majority of the millennials and Gen Z in the Republican Party. This is what group chats look like now. This is the future of the party, like it or not.


Every man under the age of 45 is basically this way now on the right. We openly speak about Jews and Israel in my weekly men's Bible study.


If someone made a Hitler joke or talked about the "evil Jews" etc at our weekly Bible Study there would be a hard conversation after. This mindset is a tiny portion of an overly online and angsty far right who blame "others" for their own shortcomings instead of looking in the mirror. And just like the far left, a lot of them will change their views a move to the middle as they get older and more real world experience. Hopefully one day you'll figure out how much time you're wasting hating people you've never met.



One again the anti-antisemites prove they know absolutely nothing about the people of whom they speak. None of what you described is what is happening.

And I actually got more radicalized as I reached 30 and started a family.


At some point you'll realize blaming everyone else for your own shortcomings is a waste of time.


And I'm sure you'll never come to terms with what you're actually dealing with. Nobody is doing what you say.

Do you think the kid who wrote "I love Hitler" actually loves Hitler? Of course not. But you know what a person who would write that probably thinks of Jewish influence in American foreign policy? Probably not a fan. And he's a member of an actual republican organization.

This is the point of this thread and the Fuentes thread from a few weeks ago. A giant chunk of the younger generation thinks this way and is going to be in power soon. Boomers are clearly having a hard time coming to grips with that.
Stone Choir
How long do you want to ignore this user?
J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stone Choir said:





For anyone who wants to understand why the far right criticizes Israel, this is why. Over and over again they lie.


Lol. So 3d modeling software used 3d modeling assets to make 3d renderings, instead of…designing every single piece from scratch? This is some kind of gotcha? The entire point of creating something like this is that it's a model of what their best assumptions are in a space they don't have photos of. If they had the actual photos they would just use those.


Mossad wages war through deception, they constantly do this. Yes these are models but the odds of most of these things being real is low, the fact that they use stolen assets makes that clear. AI will only make faking it even easier.

There are however, a myriad of real videos of them straight murdering a bunch of Palestinians over and over.
Old McDonald
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Stone Choir said:

titan said:

shack009 said:

titan said:

shack009 said:

Saxsoon said:

What a bunch of ****ing losers that should not be welcome in this party.


When will people realize this is the majority of the millennials and Gen Z in the Republican Party. This is what group chats look like now. This is the future of the party, like it or not.

If it is, how does this group feel about scenarios like Puerto Rico and DC statehood and Dems stacking courts, etc? All the talk saying breakup of the 50 is impossible -- is that really so, or are they fine with a scenario where you have some conservative break-away, a super Singapore, if things go hard Leftward or globalist again at the Potomac? (from whatever process)

Not to sound too crude, but why would making Hitler jokes and using the n word mean belief in DC/PR statehood? Everybody with a brain knows that's a terrible idea for the future of the country.

No, meant the talk about the general sentiment of GenZ or those under 45. Was actually asking, does the reaction against the anti-white agenda also extend to skepticism about continuing with the system if the Left comes back to control? Was not equating the texts, but asking about the generational attitude you and others are describing.


Everyone on the dissident right knows that if the left ever wins another national election any time soon that it's over and we're all going to prison or will end up dead.

That's how perilous it is now.
i predict that 1) the left will win another national election and 2) when they do, you will not be killed or thrown in prison
J. Walter Weatherman
How long do you want to ignore this user?
shack009 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

shack009 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stone Choir said:

shack009 said:

Saxsoon said:

What a bunch of ****ing losers that should not be welcome in this party.


When will people realize this is the majority of the millennials and Gen Z in the Republican Party. This is what group chats look like now. This is the future of the party, like it or not.


Every man under the age of 45 is basically this way now on the right. We openly speak about Jews and Israel in my weekly men's Bible study.


If someone made a Hitler joke or talked about the "evil Jews" etc at our weekly Bible Study there would be a hard conversation after. This mindset is a tiny portion of an overly online and angsty far right who blame "others" for their own shortcomings instead of looking in the mirror. And just like the far left, a lot of them will change their views a move to the middle as they get older and more real world experience. Hopefully one day you'll figure out how much time you're wasting hating people you've never met.



One again the anti-antisemites prove they know absolutely nothing about the people of whom they speak. None of what you described is what is happening.

And I actually got more radicalized as I reached 30 and started a family.


At some point you'll realize blaming everyone else for your own shortcomings is a waste of time.


And I'm sure you'll never come to terms with what you're actually dealing with. Nobody is doing what you say.

Do you think the kid who wrote "I love Hitler" actually loves Hitler? Of course not. But you know what a person who would write that probably thinks of Jewish influence in American foreign policy? Probably not a fan. And he's a member of an actual republican organization.

This is the point of this thread and the Fuentes thread from a few weeks ago. A giant chunk of the younger generation thinks this way and is going to be in power soon. Boomers are clearly having a hard time coming to grips with that.


No, they won't. Again you are a tiny (albeit overly loud on twitter) segment of republicans. Anyone who believes things like that will either 1. Moderate their views to join the rest of the adults or 2. (thankfully) Never be elected to any major office.

Enjoy pointlessly yelling at the clouds though.
shack009
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Fat Black Swan said:

Democrats: Jump
Republicans: How high?




Black and woman. The two qualities that made boomers love her are the two qualities that also made her a highly likely candidate for capitulation.
Teslag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Stone Choir said:

Teslag said:


Quote:

End dual citizenship entirely. You cannot have an American passport and claim citizenship elsewhere.


How many of America's 41 million african americans do you think have dual citizenship? There are 50 million hispanic citizens in this country, most of which do not have dual citizenship.

What is your plan for them?


Read my post again, I am less concerned about people who are already American citizens. That's not where the problems are now at all. The problem is legal and illegal immigration.


But I believe in the past and possibly on this thread (correct me if I"m wrong) that only virtuous people can live up to and be compatible with a government/society our founders envisioned. I believe you also said that non-whites genetically cannot live up to this on a large scale. So, what's the plan for the almost 100 million non-white citizens of this country going forward? Or is it possible in your opinion that they can be virtuous and capable of creating a model society you envision?
J. Walter Weatherman
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Stone Choir said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stone Choir said:





For anyone who wants to understand why the far right criticizes Israel, this is why. Over and over again they lie.


Lol. So 3d modeling software used 3d modeling assets to make 3d renderings, instead of…designing every single piece from scratch? This is some kind of gotcha? The entire point of creating something like this is that it's a model of what their best assumptions are in a space they don't have photos of. If they had the actual photos they would just use those.


Mossad wages war through deception, they constantly do this. Yes these are models but the odds of most of these things being real is low, the fact that they use stolen assets makes that clear. AI will only make faking it even easier.


Is an architect that uses stock assets in a rendering "waging a war of deception"? This account is doing a classic clickbait tactic and taking something innocuous and making it sound like it's some giant conspiracy.

Quote:


There are however, a myriad of real videos of them straight murdering a bunch of Palestinians over and over.


War is hell. Hamas started it, could have ended it at anytime by returning the hostages they took, and Israel finished it. Hopefully this peace agreement lasts.
Quo Vadis?
How long do you want to ignore this user?
J. Walter Weatherman said:

shack009 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Stone Choir said:

shack009 said:

Saxsoon said:

What a bunch of ****ing losers that should not be welcome in this party.


When will people realize this is the majority of the millennials and Gen Z in the Republican Party. This is what group chats look like now. This is the future of the party, like it or not.


Every man under the age of 45 is basically this way now on the right. We openly speak about Jews and Israel in my weekly men's Bible study.


If someone made a Hitler joke or talked about the "evil Jews" etc at our weekly Bible Study there would be a hard conversation after. This mindset is a tiny portion of an overly online and angsty far right who blame "others" for their own shortcomings instead of looking in the mirror. And just like the far left, a lot of them will change their views a move to the middle as they get older and more real world experience. Hopefully one day you'll figure out how much time you're wasting hating people you've never met.



One again the anti-antisemites prove they know absolutely nothing about the people of whom they speak. None of what you described is what is happening.

And I actually got more radicalized as I reached 30 and started a family.


That's fine. You still represent a tiny segment of a segment of conservatives that will never sniff any type of position of power because your views are abhorrent to the majority of the country. Even here, which is probably 97% Republican, you only have 1 person who fully agrees with you and a few others that marginally do.

At some point you'll realize blaming everyone else for your own shortcomings is a waste of time.


Every dude on the far right that I personally know is an absolute pillar of the community.

Husband, father, Christian, excels at their profession. Never arrested, no substance abuse issues.

This whole "you're just jealous" is laughable.

Some of the most prolific anti semites in US history were Henry Ford and Lindbergh.
Stone Choir
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Teslag said:

Stone Choir said:

Teslag said:


Quote:

End dual citizenship entirely. You cannot have an American passport and claim citizenship elsewhere.


How many of America's 41 million african americans do you think have dual citizenship? There are 50 million hispanic citizens in this country, most of which do not have dual citizenship.

What is your plan for them?


Read my post again, I am less concerned about people who are already American citizens. That's not where the problems are now at all. The problem is legal and illegal immigration.


But I believe in the past and possibly on this thread (correct me if I"m wrong) that only virtuous people can live up to and be compatible with a government/society our founders envisioned. I believe you also said that non-whites genetically cannot live up to this on a large scale. So, what's the plan for the almost 100 million non-white citizens of this country going forward? Or is it possible in your opinion that they can be virtuous and capable of creating a model society you envision?


I never said non-whites can't do that. I explicitly stated north East Asians are just as capable.

For people who are already citizens:

Enforce the laws with no exceptions based upon race, status, etc. and promote Anglo-Saxon cultural norms rigidly.

IQ is very intimately tied to crime rates for the most part (except for blacks who commit crimes at much higher rates than their IQs would otherwise indicate, but this is also a genetic issue). The question of what to do with them when we don't have any real ability to fix them without eugenics is going to be a big question we will ultimately have to deal with or we will fall as a nation under anarcho-tyranny. The most basic answer i can give is the one above, enforce all laws across the board and do not allow violent criminals on the street, and promote classical American culture.

If they refuse to integrate, then offer them $100,000 with a one way ticket out of the country combined with a loss of citizenship.
Teslag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Do you think being an actual anti-semite (ie person that purely dislikes Jews, not dislikes the govt of Israel) is a negative quality?
Teslag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG

Quote:

If they refuse to integrate, then offer them $100,000 with a one way ticket out of the country combined with a loss of citizenship.


And if they refuse this offer and continue to proliferate? Especially in places like California and NY that will remain heavily blue and tolerant of their cultural differences for generations to come?
Stone Choir
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Teslag said:


Quote:

If they refuse to integrate, then offer them $100,000 with a one way ticket out of the country combined with a loss of citizenship.


And if they refuse this offer and continue to proliferate? Especially in places like California and NY that will remain heavily blue and tolerant of their cultural differences for generations to come?


Force blue states to enforce federal laws. If they don't, withhold funds.
Quo Vadis?
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Teslag said:

Do you think being an actual anti-semite (ie person that purely dislikes Jews, not dislikes the govt of Israel) is a negative quality?


If you dislike jews merely because they're Jewish that's a sign of a low intellect.

fixer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Jfc. The biggest political story in the nation is some group text messages by some college kids.

Get a ******* grip.
Teslag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
What unenforceable federal laws will you enact to get rid of black culture in its current forms? Hispanic culture?
Teslag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Quo Vadis? said:

Teslag said:

Do you think being an actual anti-semite (ie person that purely dislikes Jews, not dislikes the govt of Israel) is a negative quality?


If you dislike jews merely because they're Jewish that's a sign of a low intellect.



Stone Choir
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Teslag said:

What unenforceable federal laws will you enact to get rid of black culture in its current forms? Hispanic culture?


If they aren't going to prosecute people for crimes then they don't get federal money. Releasing criminals to the street without bail should never be allowed.
Zobel
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Quote:

But I believe in the past and possibly on this thread (correct me if I"m wrong) that only virtuous people can live up to and be compatible with a government/society our founders envisioned. I believe you also said that non-whites genetically cannot live up to this on a large scale. So, what's the plan for the almost 100 million non-white citizens of this country going forward? Or is it possible in your opinion that they can be virtuous and capable of creating a model society you envision?

Is the fact that our system of government requires virtuous people even debatable? Our founders literally said as much, and the political writers and philosophers they drew upon did as well, they took it for granted.

As for non-whites - I don't think anyone here has said that. I certainly don't believe it. What matters on a population scale is intelligence and cultural ethic or worldview. Some things are facts - there is an observed correlation between race or geographic origin and intelligence on a population level. Asian people on a population basis have a higher average IQ than white people, for example. This holds true when controlled for socioeconomic factors. And white Europeans are on average more intelligent than, say, people from India. If you nodded happily at the first sentence and gasped in horror at the second, maybe we should ask why?

There is a certain level of intelligence required for any role or function. For example, you are unfit for military service in this country if your AFQT is too low. By law no more than 20% of recruits can come from the range that corresponds to 81-91 IQ and you cannot enlist at all with an IQ of around 80 or less. Typically accepted minimum is around 92. There are de facto IQ requirements for every job - you can't teach math at MIT if you are broadly unintelligent. But the same moron (in the medical sense of the word) who can't be trained to be useful for the army is given political agency in our system. There is a minimum average IQ required for our political system to function. I don't know what that number is, but it absolutely exists. Which, speaking on a population basis alone, means there also exist demographic makeups that are also incompatible with our system of government.

Our system also takes for granted certain moral or ethical worldviews. Things we find "self-evident" like the right to life, liberty, property, are secular western post-Christian ideals of the enlightenment. They are not self-evident universals for all people who live on the earth. Never mind other taboos like a general distaste for corruption, or tribalism. We inherit our reverence for the law over family ties from (for example) the Romans, who honor the first consul Lucius Junius Brutus (the founder of the Republic) for ordering and presiding over the execution of his own sons for treason. This was considered the defining act of Roman virtue - subordination of private emotion and motivations to public duty. If a worldview that causes tribal, familial, or racial ties prevents a person from being capable of following the law - for example, rendering them unable act as an impartial juror - they are unfit for our system of government in an extremely real and pragmatic way. They cannot share in the rule of others, they lack the sufficient virtue our system expects.

All that being said - we do not interact with populations. We interact with persons. And persons exist on such an extremely broad spectrum that there are morons and geniuses, angels and demons alike in all populations.

A person who can't grapple with the population-level differences in culture, ethics, morality, and intelligence is either naive, suffering from massive cognitive dissonance, or is himself a fool.

A person who allows such realities to control his interaction with his fellow citizens without regard for other information is an *******.

How this plays out in a public policy perspective is dealing with the realities that if we do not take care of our immigration policy, there is a real chance that we destroy our system of governance by allowing an intransigent or intolerant minority to destabilize our system of government (at the local or national level) or reducing the functional ethical or intellectual capacity of our body politic below the necessary minimums. Or, similarly, if we are unwilling to enforce the law without regard for persons - because, for example, we find it distasteful that such blind justice will inevitably result in population-level differences in outcomes - our system of governance will not work.

That's the discussion that needs to happen.
titan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
S
Zobel said:

Quote:

But I believe in the past and possibly on this thread (correct me if I"m wrong) that only virtuous people can live up to and be compatible with a government/society our founders envisioned. I believe you also said that non-whites genetically cannot live up to this on a large scale. So, what's the plan for the almost 100 million non-white citizens of this country going forward? Or is it possible in your opinion that they can be virtuous and capable of creating a model society you envision?

Is the fact that our system of government requires virtuous people even debatable? Our founders literally said as much, and the political writers and philosophers they drew upon did as well, they took it for granted.

As for non-whites - I don't think anyone here has said that. I certainly don't believe it. What matters on a population scale is intelligence and cultural ethic or worldview. Some things are facts - there is an observed correlation between race or geographic origin and intelligence on a population level. Asian people on a population basis have a higher average IQ than white people, for example. This holds true when controlled for socioeconomic factors. And white Europeans are on average more intelligent than, say, people from India. If you nodded happily at the first sentence and gasped in horror at the second, maybe we should ask why?

There is a certain level of intelligence required for any role or function. For example, you are unfit for military service in this country if your AFQT is too low. By law no more than 20% of recruits can come from the range that corresponds to 81-91 IQ and you cannot enlist at all with an IQ of around 80 or less. Typically accepted minimum is around 92. There are de facto IQ requirements for every job - you can't teach math at MIT if you are broadly unintelligent. But the same moron (in the medical sense of the word) who can't be trained to be useful for the army is given political agency in our system. There is a minimum average IQ required for our political system to function. I don't know what that number is, but it absolutely exists. Which, speaking on a population basis alone, means there also exist demographic makeups that are also incompatible with our system of government.

Our system also takes for granted certain moral or ethical worldviews. Things we find "self-evident" like the right to life, liberty, property, are secular western post-Christian ideals of the enlightenment. They are not self-evident universals for all people who live on the earth. Never mind other taboos like a general distaste for corruption, or tribalism. We inherit our reverence for the law over family ties from (for example) the Romans, who honor the first consul Lucius Junius Brutus (the founder of the Republic) for ordering and presiding over the execution of his own sons for treason. This was considered the defining act of Roman virtue - subordination of private emotion and motivations to public duty. If a worldview that causes tribal, familial, or racial ties prevents a person from being capable of following the law - for example, rendering them unable act as an impartial juror - they are unfit for our system of government in an extremely real and pragmatic way. They cannot share in the rule of others, they lack the sufficient virtue our system expects.

All that being said - we do not interact with populations. We interact with persons. And persons exist on such an extremely broad spectrum that there are morons and geniuses, angels and demons alike in all populations.

A person who can't grapple with the population-level differences in culture, ethics, morality, and intelligence is either naive, suffering from massive cognitive dissonance, or is himself a fool.

A person who allows such realities to control his interaction with his fellow citizens without regard for other information is an *******.

How this plays out in a public policy perspective is dealing with the realities that if we do not take care of our immigration policy, there is a real chance that we destroy our system of governance by allowing an intransigent or intolerant minority to destabilize our system of government (at the local or national level) or reducing the functional ethical or intellectual capacity of our body politic below the necessary minimums. Or, similarly, if we are unwilling to enforce the law without regard for persons - because, for example, we find it distasteful that such blind justice will inevitably result in population-level differences in outcomes - our system of governance will not work.

That's the discussion that needs to happen.

Excellent, well-reasoned post. Much to unpack there, but seems mostly accurate.
shack009
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Quo Vadis? said:

Teslag said:

Do you think being an actual anti-semite (ie person that purely dislikes Jews, not dislikes the govt of Israel) is a negative quality?


If you dislike jews merely because they're Jewish that's a sign of a low intellect.



An obvious point to all but the low IQ anti-antisemites.
Teslag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Stone Choir said:

Teslag said:

What unenforceable federal laws will you enact to get rid of black culture in its current forms? Hispanic culture?


If they aren't going to prosecute people for crimes then they don't get federal money. Releasing criminals to the street without bail should never be allowed.

Keeping bail and prosecution of crimes still won't get rid of black culture
Stone Choir
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Zobel said:

Quote:

But I believe in the past and possibly on this thread (correct me if I"m wrong) that only virtuous people can live up to and be compatible with a government/society our founders envisioned. I believe you also said that non-whites genetically cannot live up to this on a large scale. So, what's the plan for the almost 100 million non-white citizens of this country going forward? Or is it possible in your opinion that they can be virtuous and capable of creating a model society you envision?

Is the fact that our system of government requires virtuous people even debatable? Our founders literally said as much, and the political writers and philosophers they drew upon did as well, they took it for granted.

As for non-whites - I don't think anyone here has said that. I certainly don't believe it. What matters on a population scale is intelligence and cultural ethic or worldview. Some things are facts - there is an observed correlation between race or geographic origin and intelligence on a population level. Asian people on a population basis have a higher average IQ than white people, for example. This holds true when controlled for socioeconomic factors. And white Europeans are on average more intelligent than, say, people from India. If you nodded happily at the first sentence and gasped in horror at the second, maybe we should ask why?

There is a certain level of intelligence required for any role or function. For example, you are unfit for military service in this country if your AFQT is too low. By law no more than 20% of recruits can come from the range that corresponds to 81-91 IQ and you cannot enlist at all with an IQ of around 80 or less. Typically accepted minimum is around 92. There are de facto IQ requirements for every job - you can't teach math at MIT if you are broadly unintelligent. But the same moron (in the medical sense of the word) who can't be trained to be useful for the army is given political agency in our system. There is a minimum average IQ required for our political system to function. I don't know what that number is, but it absolutely exists. Which, speaking on a population basis alone, means there also exist demographic makeups that are also incompatible with our system of government.

Our system also takes for granted certain moral or ethical worldviews. Things we find "self-evident" like the right to life, liberty, property, are secular western post-Christian ideals of the enlightenment. They are not self-evident universals for all people who live on the earth. Never mind other taboos like a general distaste for corruption, or tribalism. We inherit our reverence for the law over family ties from (for example) the Romans, who honor the first consul Lucius Junius Brutus (the founder of the Republic) for ordering and presiding over the execution of his own sons for treason. This was considered the defining act of Roman virtue - subordination of private emotion and motivations to public duty. If a worldview that causes tribal, familial, or racial ties prevents a person from being capable of following the law - for example, rendering them unable act as an impartial juror - they are unfit for our system of government in an extremely real and pragmatic way. They cannot share in the rule of others, they lack the sufficient virtue our system expects.

All that being said - we do not interact with populations. We interact with persons. And persons exist on such an extremely broad spectrum that there are morons and geniuses, angels and demons alike in all populations.

A person who can't grapple with the population-level differences in culture, ethics, morality, and intelligence is either naive, suffering from massive cognitive dissonance, or is himself a fool.

A person who allows such realities to control his interaction with his fellow citizens without regard for other information is an *******.

How this plays out in a public policy perspective is dealing with the realities that if we do not take care of our immigration policy, there is a real chance that we destroy our system of governance by allowing an intransigent or intolerant minority to destabilize our system of government (at the local or national level) or reducing the functional ethical or intellectual capacity of our body politic below the necessary minimums. Or, similarly, if we are unwilling to enforce the law without regard for persons - because, for example, we find it distasteful that such blind justice will inevitably result in population-level differences in outcomes - our system of governance will not work.

That's the discussion that needs to happen.


You said it far better than I did, great post.
Burpelson
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Some of these "children" are 30-40 yrs old.
Quo Vadis?
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Unfortunately we need to go Minority Report on all high crime populations, "civil rights" notwithstanding.

Rudy cleaned up New York with stop and frisk
Bukele cleaned up El Salvador with "see criminal jail criminal"

Were innocent people likely caught up in the dragnet? Yep. Freedom isn't free. You try to limit collateral damage as much as you can but it still happens. Might as well outlaw car ownership because of the innocent lives lost while driving. If we can jail drunk drivers because of their increased risk, we can do the same with high risk populations in high risk areas.

richardag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
shiftyandquick said:

titan said:



Quote:

A large portion of the world fits the category of non-virtuous and effectively incapable of modern civilization.

This will end up being the big question of the mid 21st and rest of the century. Whether this is simply prima facie correct and thus the 19th early 20th C closer to the truth in such matters of setup and governance. If that is the case, some kind of global version of both universal suffrage and equity is not only impossible and impractical, it would be harmful to seek or make a goal. The more civilized simply have defend the received legacy handed down and those achievements.

What is looking false is the end of last century assumptions that all were capable of modern civilization, if just shown, and that will be a big shift.

And people come to America and become Americans because they believe in its ideals.

But not according to JD Vance. It's not about ideals. That's not what makes an American. It's about whether they are descended from white people from at least the Civil War (so predating most of the Italian and Irish immigrants). He's clever, how he brings in the hate against people of color.

Most legal immigrants do value American ideals. Illegal aliens seek the gravy train and many are out and out criminals and gang members.
As far as your characterization of J.D. Vance as a racist you may want to search who this woman is and her ethnic origins :
Usha Bala Chilukuri Vance

We really need to rewrite our laws concerning libel and slander.
Quo Vadis?
How long do you want to ignore this user?
That's one of the refreshing things about living in the Middle East, they have such a refreshing take unfettered by western liberalism.

"Why do you let stupid people vote?"
-everyone who isn't a felon gets to vote at age 18
"But won't stupid people vote stupidly?"
-yes
"Won't that make the politicians pander to the stupid?"
-yes
"To the detriment of all society included the stupid?"
-yes
"Oh… I see"
richardag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Stone Choir said:

titan said:

shack009 said:

titan said:

shack009 said:

Saxsoon said:

What a bunch of ****ing losers that should not be welcome in this party.


When will people realize this is the majority of the millennials and Gen Z in the Republican Party. This is what group chats look like now. This is the future of the party, like it or not.

If it is, how does this group feel about scenarios like Puerto Rico and DC statehood and Dems stacking courts, etc? All the talk saying breakup of the 50 is impossible -- is that really so, or are they fine with a scenario where you have some conservative break-away, a super Singapore, if things go hard Leftward or globalist again at the Potomac? (from whatever process)

Not to sound too crude, but why would making Hitler jokes and using the n word mean belief in DC/PR statehood? Everybody with a brain knows that's a terrible idea for the future of the country.

No, meant the talk about the general sentiment of GenZ or those under 45. Was actually asking, does the reaction against the anti-white agenda also extend to skepticism about continuing with the system if the Left comes back to control? Was not equating the texts, but asking about the generational attitude you and others are describing.


Everyone on the dissident right knows that if the left ever wins another national election any time soon that it's over and we're all going to prison or will end up dead.

That's how perilous it is now.

Hyperbole
We really need to rewrite our laws concerning libel and slander.
shack009
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
richardag said:

shiftyandquick said:

titan said:



Quote:

A large portion of the world fits the category of non-virtuous and effectively incapable of modern civilization.

This will end up being the big question of the mid 21st and rest of the century. Whether this is simply prima facie correct and thus the 19th early 20th C closer to the truth in such matters of setup and governance. If that is the case, some kind of global version of both universal suffrage and equity is not only impossible and impractical, it would be harmful to seek or make a goal. The more civilized simply have defend the received legacy handed down and those achievements.

What is looking false is the end of last century assumptions that all were capable of modern civilization, if just shown, and that will be a big shift.

And people come to America and become Americans because they believe in its ideals.

But not according to JD Vance. It's not about ideals. That's not what makes an American. It's about whether they are descended from white people from at least the Civil War (so predating most of the Italian and Irish immigrants). He's clever, how he brings in the hate against people of color.

Most legal immigrants do value American ideals. Illegal aliens seek the gravy train and many are out and out criminals and gang members.


Not the ideals of the founders. Mostly the ideals of modern progressive America.
TheEternalOptimist
How long do you want to ignore this user?
4stringAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
fixer said:

Jfc. The biggest political story in the nation is some group text messages by some college kids.

Get a ******* grip.

Agree. The media and left was looking for anything to latch onto after Kirk's death and the AG texts up in VA. Of course this was going to blow up into a national deal because it validates all their "the right are fascist, Gestapo, Hitler" circle jerks.
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.