[US intends to strike targets] in Venezuela

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YouBet said:

Rossticus said:

Sooooo… was this all just an unsuccessful bluff attempt?




I think he's questioning everything right now after the Dem wins on Tuesday. I'm not sure why because those wins were all expected and pre-determined, but you know how quickly he changes his mind on stuff.

A couple of weeks ago they communicated their intent to focus on foreign policy from here on out and I think he's reading the tea leaves and the leaves are telling him that people want him to still focus on domestic issues.

Yes. This is an occasion can say with some confidence his reaction has been wrong. (Reaction to the elections of Nov 4 not about this Venezuela thing either way) They just didn't signify as much as his speech shows he believes. Apart from containing some cautions, they were not that surprising. In fact, VA's willingness to elect a murderous minded AG only suggests that even seeking to work with the Left is fool's errand.
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titan said:

YouBet said:

Rossticus said:

Sooooo… was this all just an unsuccessful bluff attempt?




I think he's questioning everything right now after the Dem wins on Tuesday. I'm not sure why because those wins were all expected and pre-determined, but you know how quickly he changes his mind on stuff.

A couple of weeks ago they communicated their intent to focus on foreign policy from here on out and I think he's reading the tea leaves and the leaves are telling him that people want him to still focus on domestic issues.

Yes. This is an occasion can say with some confidence his reaction has been wrong. (Reaction to the elections of Nov 4 not about this Venezuela thing either way) They just didn't signify as much as his speech shows he believes. Apart from containing some cautions, they were not that surprising. In fact, VA's willingness to elect a murderous minded AG only suggests that even seeking to work with the Left is fool's errand.


Yeah, I don't know if he's knee jerking or if they have internal polling showing them that they are losing the message or what. It's not a great look though.
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He did just go meet with china, correct?
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Who?mikejones! said:

He did just go meet with china, correct?

But he came back from there talking about Venezuela -- this display followed that. So its not like Xi pressured him to call it off, if that's what you mean. In fact it looked like the opposite -- Xi said go ahead in return for "blank".

No, this looks like Nov 4 spooked for some reason.
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This looks like another unsourced bull**** story.
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HTownAg98 said:

TAMUallen said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

What invasion/attaxks?


MS13 is active and actively supplying narcotics throughout the country using Biden era illegals.

But you knew that

Most of the cocaine coming from Colombia goes through the Pacific Ocean and Central America. The stuff going through the Caribbean is headed for Africa and Europe.

Via fishing boats with outboard motors and fuel cans. Makes sense.
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Dems will be all over the Sunday shows talking about "murders" of Venezuelans out for some yellow fin tuna and dolphin fish who were mistaken for drug runners.

For sure land strikes by Trump will only target indigenous folk seeking out a subsistence.

But for the folks who live in the grown up real world, this has become necessary as feckless, corrupt Dems have empowered regimes across the globe to take money from the US and use that money to undermine and attack us.

Trump is fixing it.
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will25u said:




Any other sources?
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YouBet said:

will25u said:




Any other sources?

I mean I miss tripping over them trying to escape a hotel room, but USA Today seems legit.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/28/donald-trump-military-land-sea-boats-venezuela-strikes/87510475007/

I think by land ops they include striking ground targets by air. Not beaches of Normandy.
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Better not start during the game tonight.
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flown-the-coop said:

YouBet said:

will25u said:




Any other sources?

I mean I miss tripping over them trying to escape a hotel room, but USA Today seems legit.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/28/donald-trump-military-land-sea-boats-venezuela-strikes/87510475007/

I think by land ops they include striking ground targets by air. Not beaches of Normandy.

Well, duh.

Normandy is in France.
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I can always count on you BigRob.
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flown-the-coop said:

I can always count on you BigRob.

I am pretty good at mathing.
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The Fall Guy said:

Better not start during the game tonight.


Wish it had.
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YouBet said:

The Fall Guy said:

Better not start during the game tonight.


Wish it had.

I share your regrets actually. What a disappointing let down. Was kind of excited for it all. Not unlike how the Cowboys just beat the Chiefs, both Superbowl teams in a row. The only thing would say is remember how the Rangers lost the big ones right before the very final playoff runs in 2023---then went on to win every one of them they needed to take the Series. Hope remains in the playoffs ahead.
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Strange bit of news today on this topic and another related.

Hegseth supposedly orders the illegal killing of survivors from one of the drug boat attacks; and Trump pardons a politician that was supporting and aiding one of the most famous narcoterrorists in the world, El Chapo. Can't give the Dems better fodder than this going into the weekend.

WTF is going on, this narrative is nuts.

Narcoterrorist Politician Pardon
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kpm0rvxepo.amp

Drug boat illegal killings
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html



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Claiming you're blowing drug boats out of the water because of drugs, and then pardon someone convicted of conspiring to traffic 400 TONS of cocaine. Makes perfect sense.
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flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

TAMUallen said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

What invasion/attaxks?


MS13 is active and actively supplying narcotics throughout the country using Biden era illegals.

But you knew that

Most of the cocaine coming from Colombia goes through the Pacific Ocean and Central America. The stuff going through the Caribbean is headed for Africa and Europe.

Via fishing boats with outboard motors and fuel cans. Makes sense.

Who said they're going all the way to Europe? If you've looked at a globe recently, you'd know there are lots of islands in the Caribbean that serve as waypoints between Venezuela and Europe to offload onto larger ships and/or aircraft.
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Damn! That sure sounds like going in to topple the government. The prelude to it.
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HTownAg98 said:

TAMUallen said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

What invasion/attaxks?


MS13 is active and actively supplying narcotics throughout the country using Biden era illegals.

But you knew that

Most of the cocaine coming from Colombia goes through the Pacific Ocean and Central America. The stuff going through the Caribbean is headed for Africa and Europe.

Interesting, do you have a source or link to an article describing this?
We really need to rewrite our laws concerning libel and slander.
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And the oil considerations Stressboy pointed out. Several benefits and part of a longer term strategy imo.
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GMaster0 said:

Strange bit of news today on this topic and another related.

Hegseth supposedly orders the "illegal" killing of survivors from one of the drug boat attacks; and Trump pardons a politician that was supporting and aiding one of the most famous narcoterrorists in the world, El Chapo. Can't give the Dems better fodder than this going into the weekend.







LOL, the voters don't care about this, and they want the drug boats blown up. It does not matter what Dem talking heads say. This is not the days of CNN and ABC controlling the news, Twitter controls it.
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I support our military killing narco terrorists who are trying to smuggle poison into this country. It's as simple as that. Miss 'em the first time... shoot again.

The party that kills babies, coddles drug users, and lets unvetted criminal aliens into this country has no moral standing to complain about our warriors' tactics.
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HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

TAMUallen said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

What invasion/attaxks?


MS13 is active and actively supplying narcotics throughout the country using Biden era illegals.

But you knew that

Most of the cocaine coming from Colombia goes through the Pacific Ocean and Central America. The stuff going through the Caribbean is headed for Africa and Europe.

Via fishing boats with outboard motors and fuel cans. Makes sense.

Who said they're going all the way to Europe? If you've looked at a globe recently, you'd know there are lots of islands in the Caribbean that serve as waypoints between Venezuela and Europe to offload onto larger ships and/or aircraft.

So the end shipping address for 100% of the drugs sunk in the Caribbean are destined for Europe. As another poster suggested, do you have a link or evidence that the drugs sunk by Trump were Euro destined... assuming to you that makes Trump's actions unwarranted, unlawful?

Having trouble understanding this talking point. Thanks.
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Would the president giving the order to attack another country without congress approval, be a legal order?
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TexasAggie73 said:

Would the president giving the order to attack another country without congress approval, be a legal order?

tell me you don't know about the War Powers Act of 1973

without telling me.
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TexasAggie73 said:

Would the president giving the order to attack another country without congress approval, be a legal order?


Congress hasn't declared war since WWII.

See all the wars and kinetic actions we've been in since then. There is your answer.
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flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

flown-the-coop said:

HTownAg98 said:

TAMUallen said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

What invasion/attaxks?


MS13 is active and actively supplying narcotics throughout the country using Biden era illegals.

But you knew that

Most of the cocaine coming from Colombia goes through the Pacific Ocean and Central America. The stuff going through the Caribbean is headed for Africa and Europe.

Via fishing boats with outboard motors and fuel cans. Makes sense.

Who said they're going all the way to Europe? If you've looked at a globe recently, you'd know there are lots of islands in the Caribbean that serve as waypoints between Venezuela and Europe to offload onto larger ships and/or aircraft.

So the end shipping address for 100% of the drugs sunk in the Caribbean are destined for Europe. As another poster suggested, do you have a link or evidence that the drugs sunk by Trump were Euro destined... assuming to you that makes Trump's actions unwarranted, unlawful?

Having trouble understanding this talking point. Thanks.

Even if that was true. And?

They're not there yet, and are open game.

Hunt on, good guys!
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Evidently people believe our POTUS should only be able to take military action to protect the United States after Japan bombs Pearl Harbor.

Letting yourself get punched in the mouth then begging... Congress who cannot pass a ****ing budget... before taking protective action.

Sorry, the is not how the Country should work. BTW- people thinking all of these distinctions are settled science need to reconsider.

POTUS can do what he wants. The options to reign this in are impeachment, conviction and removal, elections, assassination, or 25th Amendment.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C8-1-5/ALDE_00013936/
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Article II, Section 1, Clause 8:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

The Constitution provides no standards for determining whether a President has violated their oath. The fact that other branches interpret the Constitution, and may do do inconsistently with the President, creates difficulties in determining whether the oath has been violated. Just as some Presidents have suggested that the oath may require them to disregard laws when doing so is necessary to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, some lawmakers have argued that the President's oath requires them to execute all laws, regardless of whether the President believes them to be constitutional.

The Supreme Court has not addressed these competing views, and the oath and its surrounding text do not suggest that questions about violations of the oath were intended for judicial resolution. The Court has held that the President is generally immune from civil or criminal liability for official actions taken while in office, which may impede judicial resolution of questions relating to a President's violation of their oath arising during the President's tenure. The Constitution's justiciability requirements are another potential obstacle to resolution in federal court.

Impeachment provides a vehicle by which Congress may adjudicate a President's alleged violation of their oath. Articles of impeachment against Andrew Johnson charged the President with being unmindful of the high duties of his office and of his oath of office. Draft articles of impeachment to be used against President Richard Nixon alleged that President Nixon violated his oath, though he resigned before these articles were adopted. Articles of impeachment adopted in the impeachment of President Bill Clinton charged the President with violating his constitutional oath, as did articles of impeachment adopted in both impeachments of President Donald Trump.

The political process provides another check on the President's violation of their oath. James Madison and Alexander Hamilton suggested in various contexts that political accountability might help ensure the President's fidelity to their office. In his second inaugural speech, George Washington observed that violating his oath would invite the upbraidings of all who are now witnesses of the present solemn ceremony.

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LMCane said:

TexasAggie73 said:

Would the president giving the order to attack another country without congress approval, be a legal order?

tell me you don't know about the War Powers Act of 1973

without telling me.


He can authorize strikes for up to set amount of days and then beyond that has to seek congressional approval.
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And the above will be important as SCOTUS ponders the limits, or lack thereof, of POTUS authority and the ability of the Judiciary to prevent the actions of POTUS. Thats actually not their job. They can say something is unlawful or unconstitutional, only the electorate (every 4 years) or the legislature (via impeachment) can stop POTUS.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

BTW - Obama relied on this interpretation to carry out many of his attacks and other actions. Remember when he said he had a phone and a pen? Where was all the leftist outrage then?
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K2-HMFIC said:

LMCane said:

TexasAggie73 said:

Would the president giving the order to attack another country without congress approval, be a legal order?

tell me you don't know about the War Powers Act of 1973

without telling me.


He can authorize strikes for up to set amount of days and then beyond that has to seek congressional approval.

WPA of 1973 is very probably unconstitutional.
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flown-the-coop said:

Obama relied on this interpretation to carry out many of his attacks and other actions. Remember when he said he had a phone and a pen? Where was all the leftist outrage then?

Funnily, this was the same time that Trump wasn't a racist/bigot/homophobe. And then, he famously went down that escalator in Trump Tower, in June of 2015, and all that changed.

Liberals....not a very smart group.
 
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