UPS MD-11 crash Louisville

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Rapier108
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5:58p, 11/4/25
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to FatZilla • 6:00p, 11/4/25
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FatZilla said:
P.H. Dexippus said:
It had to have been airborne. It looks like it crossed a highway, RR tracks and a canal before contacting the buildings.


Even in the new video in who?'s post above it doesn't look airborne at all.

It was:

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In reply to CDUB98 • 6:02p, 11/4/25
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Probably already at the commit point and couldn't do anything. Engine probably went right as they rotated, and there's no GOOD way to stop.
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In reply to FatZilla • 6:03p, 11/4/25
Hard to tell. The nose was up. Maybe a couple of feet airborne
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6:03p, 11/4/25
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Seems like it was briefly airborne, dragged part of its structure through that UPS building, and then crashed just beyond the building…

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6:04p, 11/4/25
N259UP was originally built in 1991 for Thai Airways. UPS acquired it in 2006.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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6:06p, 11/4/25
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Appears to be just above the trees here…
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6:06p, 11/4/25
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A couple of early reports are that the aircraft was coming out of a 2 hour maintenance delay on the Lft engine and that part of the engine appears to have separated from the wing as there is a large piece of engine debris on and adjacent to the RWY during the takeoff roll
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In reply to FireAg • 6:07p, 11/4/25
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FireAg said:
Seems like it was briefly airborne, dragged part of its structure through that UPS building, and then crashed just beyond the building…



Looks like it went down right into the GFL environmental yard ("Petroleum Recycling" plant).



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In reply to atmtws • 6:08p, 11/4/25
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Yup…I agree…
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6:09p, 11/4/25
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CORRECTION: it is not clear to me that the building it hit is a UPS building…
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In reply to atmtws • 6:12p, 11/4/25
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Goodness gracious……certainly hope not but appears likely
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6:19p, 11/4/25
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Juan Browne has a video out now.
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In reply to atmtws • 6:19p, 11/4/25
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I just heard a first responder on a scanner say they were containing an oil spill on a street, trying to keep it away from the fire.
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In reply to FireAg • 6:26p, 11/4/25
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FireAg said:
Not an aviation expert by any means, but hard to argue that's anything other than a mechanical issue (not say an "air traffic control" issue)…

We have a refusal speed. VRef. If you are past it you take it airborne and take your chances in the air or run off the runway and die there.
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6:29p, 11/4/25
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***** REQUEST *****

Please remember that there are folks on this board who will be very close to this (As in - most likely know the pilots close)

Let's try to keep the comments and speculation a little more on the rails than we did with the Air India 787 crash thread.

Thanks and Gig 'Em!
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In reply to AgNav93 • 6:30p, 11/4/25
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https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2023/january/pilot/turbine-the-simple-v
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In reply to AgNav93 • 6:31p, 11/4/25
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AgNav93 said:
FireAg said:
Not an aviation expert by any means, but hard to argue that's anything other than a mechanical issue (not say an "air traffic control" issue)…

We have a refusal speed. VRef. If you are past it you take it airborne and take your chances in the air or run off the runway and die there.


I think you mean V1. Vref is approach
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6:34p, 11/4/25


Seeing this making the rounds. No reason to think its fake, but never know these days.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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6:37p, 11/4/25
Mayor/Governor press conference coming up any minute.

Hopefully their (D) governor doesn't make it political.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Rapier108 • 6:39p, 11/4/25
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Rapier108 said:


Seeing this making the rounds. No reason to think its fake, but never know these days.


Damn
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In reply to Rapier108 • 6:39p, 11/4/25
It will be. Dems can't help themselves.
This is the way the world ends, this is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper.
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6:40p, 11/4/25
3,2,1……Democrats will blame Trump! At least by tomorrow morning the chanting will start and not stop.
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6:50p, 11/4/25
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Must have been a super violent engine explosion that destroyed the flight surfaces. The remaining 2 engines normally would have no doubt allowed the plane to climb out.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 6:51p, 11/4/25
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Seeing this making the rounds. No reason to think it's fake, but never know these days.

The airplane sat at SDF for 3 days (back in the air yesterday) and for a month and a half in SAT. Hopefully not a bad maintenance issue.
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6:57p, 11/4/25
No politics in the press conference, but the idiots keep saying "250,000 gallons of fuel" on the aircraft.

The MD-11 carries a maximum of 38,615 gallons or 258,721 lbs.

Edit: Someone finally corrected the fuel numbers.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Rapier108 • 7:03p, 11/4/25
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Damn. That driver had the right reaction on two counts though. What looked like unplanned hard right *away* from heading toward it, and then call to call the Fire department. Smart.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 7:04p, 11/4/25
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Rapier108 said:
No politics in the press conference, but the idiots keep saying "250,000 gallons of fuel" on the aircraft.

The MD-11 carries a maximum of 38,615 gallons or 258,721 lbs.

He just corrected the numbers.
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In reply to HtownAg19 • 7:04p, 11/4/25
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AgNav93 said:
FireAg said:
Not an aviation expert by any means, but hard to argue that's anything other than a mechanical issue (not say an "air traffic control" issue)…

We have a refusal speed. VRef. If you are past it you take it airborne and take your chances in the air or run off the runway and die there.


I think you mean V1. Vref is approach

It is refusal in the military. Did my flying in the Air Force. 20 years. I'm old but I ain't that old yet. i know what we called it for 20 years.

Refusal speed, often denoted as V_ref, is a critical parameter in aviation that indicates the highest speed at which a pilot can safely abort a takeoff and still bring the aircraft to a complete stop on the remaining runway. This speed is essential for ensuring safety during takeoff,
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In reply to Pinochet • 7:05p, 11/4/25
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Pinochet said:
Rapier108 said:


Seeing this making the rounds. No reason to think it's fake, but never know these days.

The airplane sat at SDF for 3 days (back in the air yesterday) and for a month and a half in SAT. Hopefully not a bad maintenance issue.


Acronyms?
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In reply to jpb1999 • 7:08p, 11/4/25
jpb1999 said:
Pinochet said:
Rapier108 said:


Seeing this making the rounds. No reason to think it's fake, but never know these days.

The airplane sat at SDF for 3 days (back in the air yesterday) and for a month and a half in SAT. Hopefully not a bad maintenance issue.


Acronyms?

SDF is the airport code for Louisville
SAT is the airport code for San Antonio
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Rapier108 • 7:09p, 11/4/25
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Rapier108 said:
jpb1999 said:
Pinochet said:
Rapier108 said:


Seeing this making the rounds. No reason to think it's fake, but never know these days.

The airplane sat at SDF for 3 days (back in the air yesterday) and for a month and a half in SAT. Hopefully not a bad maintenance issue.


Acronyms?

SDF is the airport code for Louisville
SAT is the airport code for San Antonio


Ah, I'm an idiot. I was thinking some sort of aeronautical maintenance codes…
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In reply to FireAg • 7:18p, 11/4/25
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FireAg said:
Seems like it was briefly airborne, dragged part of its structure through that UPS building, and then crashed just beyond the building…



Absolutely amazing it had enough thrust to push through impacting 2/3rds of that building clearing the last 1/3 before final crash. Yeah I would say it didn't need that engine, but that engine failure caused other significant damage.
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7:25p, 11/4/25
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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7:30p, 11/4/25
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