Who?mikejones! said:

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New dashcam footage published this afternoon showing a previously unseen angle of yesterday’s horrific crash involving a McDonnell Douglas MD-11 Cargo Plane operated by UPS Airlines, during takeoff from Muhammad Ali International Airport in Louisville, Kentucky. The death toll… pic.twitter.com/GHOmvH1mp5

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) November 6, 2025

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Those guys running out of the building were fortunate the power lines didn't fall on their heads. As bad as this was, it could have been so much worse.

Rapier108 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Well that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.

How do you mess simple facts up that badly? And if you dont know, dont share it.

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These were local people, not the NTSB. The mayor couldn't get it right about the fuel and kept saying "250,000 gallons of fuel" instead of the correct 250,000lbs.

The NTSB didn't get on site until today.

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Locals ...who? like the cashier at the airport Subway shop?

I still dont get how anyone with an average IQ, google maps, several angles of the crash, and has input into a press conference misses that so badly. Saying it exploded on the runway would be less-wrong than guessing 3 miles from the airport.

BadMoonRisin said:

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Rapier108 said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Well that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.

How do you mess simple facts up that badly? And if you dont know, dont share it.

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These were local people, not the NTSB. The mayor couldn't get it right about the fuel and kept saying "250,000 gallons of fuel" instead of the correct 250,000lbs.

The NTSB didn't get on site until today.

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Locals ...who? like the cashier at the airport Subway shop?

I still dont get how anyone with an average IQ, google maps, several angles of the crash, and has input into a press conference misses that so badly. Saying it exploded on the runway would be less-wrong than guessing 3 miles from the airport.

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Mayor, police, fire, etc.

What more can I say. I had no control over what they got right and wrong.

At 184 mph ground speed, the plane would need to travel for 60 seconds to reach 3 miles.

Who?mikejones! said:

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New dashcam footage published this afternoon showing a previously unseen angle of yesterday’s horrific crash involving a McDonnell Douglas MD-11 Cargo Plane operated by UPS Airlines, during takeoff from Muhammad Ali International Airport in Louisville, Kentucky. The death toll… pic.twitter.com/GHOmvH1mp5

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) November 6, 2025

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Interesting angle. It does not look like they are on fire here:



They clip the power line once and still no fire.



Here they clip the power line again and the fireball starts.

They were doomed when #2 lost power, but it does not look like they were on fire until that second strike of the 13.5KV distribution line.

RIP to the crew and those on the ground.

Just can't see the fire from that angle.

The Kraken said:

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Just can't see the fire from that angle.

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Watch the fireball start after that second electrical arc. I think that they were streaming fuel and the arc set it off. They were doomed to go in regardless, but I think the arc off that line ignited the fuel.

That port wing is stalling at the point it crosses the road.

The Kraken said:

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We can see from the video from the airport that the left wing was on fire at number one engine location long before the impact and large explosion.

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I may be seeing it differently, still a tragedy for those involved. Until the NTSB report comes out we will not know. I am going to quit speculating, it does not feel right.

The Kraken said:

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Just can't see the fire from that angle.

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I cant either, but you can see smoke trailing the aircraft. This would be an opposite angle to the portside engine, right?

That is incredible video. It certainly does appear the arc off the electrical lines ignites already spewing fuel. It is possible that pilots shut down fuel to #1 which may have killed initial fire but the FOD created further leaks that were ignited by the power lines.

Much will be learned by this tragedy, but the question will be how effective is the lessons learned on this since the MD11 is slated to be history by 2032.

I still think there was nothing the pilots could have done.

Point of view from the dashcam video by the tire shop. A few hundred feet due south of the end of the runway.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PQbPZ88R9jrHDt2n9

torrid said:

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I still think there was nothing the pilots could have done.

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There wasn't.

They were screwed as soon as engine 1 suffered its catastrophic demise and engine 2 surge or failed.

JFABNRGR said:

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That is incredible video. It certainly does appear the arc off the electrical lines ignites already spewing fuel. It is possible that pilots shut down fuel to #1 which may have killed initial fire but the FOD created further leaks that were ignited by the power lines.

Much will be learned by this tragedy, but the question will be how effective is the lessons learned on this since the MD11 is slated to be history by 2032.

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I am taking pictures of my computer screen so it is worse than potato quality. Can someone do a screen grab or something of this frame that is higher quality. I do not see the wing on fire in this frame. You may also be able to see if the slats are still in the correct position.

Damn it, I am just so interested in how this happened.

Rapier108 said:

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torrid said:

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I still think there was nothing the pilots could have done.

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There wasn't.

They were screwed as soon as engine 1 suffered its catastrophic demise and engine 2 surge or failed.

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Yeah they were doomed and probably a combination of loss of #2, loss of lift in left wing, and loss of flight controls and I am likely missing 1-2 more critical reasons.

JFABNRGR said:

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Rapier108 said:

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torrid said:

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I still think there was nothing the pilots could have done.

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There wasn't.

They were screwed as soon as engine 1 suffered its catastrophic demise and engine 2 surge or failed.

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Yeah they were doomed and probably a combination of loss of #2, loss of lift in left wing, and loss of flight controls and I am likely missing 1-2 more critical reasons.

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For those of you wondering what a compressor stall looks like:




I think that is what you are seeing in the #2 engine here.


I cannot reconcile this picture of the wing vs the pics I posted above of a wing that does not seem to have a fuel fire going on.

There is something streaming out of the plane that settles towards the ground as it crosses over the road. It settles very quickly which doesn't act like I would expect for smoke. You can really see it right above the ground just before the exhaust from remaining engine stirs up the air/dust. That would sure seem to be a fuel vapor cloud as jet fuel vapor should be heavier than air and sink rapidly.

The fireball that erupts after the second powerline strike looks like a fuel vapor cloud lighting off. The first powerline strike / arc not lighting off a fuel vapor cloud may be just luck. It also looks like the first powerline strike is more forward on the fuselage and perhaps was in front of the wing / engine / fuel release point.

If you manually advance the video slowly, there is 1-2 frames where you can see the flames in the number 1 engine location before the large fireball lights off.

Protocol in that situation would be to dump fuel but I'm not sure if they would have even had enough time to get to that point. If the engine was no longer attached to the wing there's a pretty good chance the fuel was leaking too.

JB!98 said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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That is incredible video. It certainly does appear the arc off the electrical lines ignites already spewing fuel. It is possible that pilots shut down fuel to #1 which may have killed initial fire but the FOD created further leaks that were ignited by the power lines.

Much will be learned by this tragedy, but the question will be how effective is the lessons learned on this since the MD11 is slated to be history by 2032.

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I am taking pictures of my computer screen so it is worse than potato quality. Can someone do a screen grab or something of this frame that is higher quality. I do not see the wing on fire in this frame. You may also be able to see if the slats are still in the correct position.

Damn it, I am just so interested in how this happened.

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Yeah, disregard, the wing is still on fire.

Ag87H2O said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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New dashcam footage published this afternoon showing a previously unseen angle of yesterday’s horrific crash involving a McDonnell Douglas MD-11 Cargo Plane operated by UPS Airlines, during takeoff from Muhammad Ali International Airport in Louisville, Kentucky. The death toll… pic.twitter.com/GHOmvH1mp5

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) November 6, 2025

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Those guys running out of the building were fortunate the power lines didn't fall on their heads. As bad as this was, it could have been so much worse.

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They had the right instincts though. Run maximum speed 90 degrees away. They managed to be clear even before it was fully down and blown up. We are only aware of the lines overhead from our point of view.

Looks like it hit some kind of horizontal structure (air signal? ) (power tree?) just after the sparks of hitting some power lines -- then hits something that is enough to set off fuel before impact.

Horrific.

SouthLake - how is it awful?

The Kraken said:

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Just can't see the fire from that angle.

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If you stop the tape when the (rear) landing gear looks to be directly over the road -- or perhaps just a tad short of the middle, I think you'll see the fire.

At least, that's what it appears to me. I certainly don't see an engine.

The fire is behind the tree.

Put differently, 3 miles in airliner take off and landing terms is not that far for it to cover --- think of how fast what is below you passes just after you lift off. From the 635 loop north in Dallas to downtown is something more like 5 miles. Love field is closer -- maybe the 3 miles might match--- in any case, just think in terms of how fast you cover those recognizable distances in whatever your home city is when you take off on a flight

JB!98 said:

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JB!98 said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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That is incredible video. It certainly does appear the arc off the electrical lines ignites already spewing fuel. It is possible that pilots shut down fuel to #1 which may have killed initial fire but the FOD created further leaks that were ignited by the power lines.

Much will be learned by this tragedy, but the question will be how effective is the lessons learned on this since the MD11 is slated to be history by 2032.

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I am taking pictures of my computer screen so it is worse than potato quality. Can someone do a screen grab or something of this frame that is higher quality. I do not see the wing on fire in this frame. You may also be able to see if the slats are still in the correct position.

Damn it, I am just so interested in how this happened.

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Yeah, disregard, the wing is still on fire.

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And no left engine.

FTAG 2000 said:

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JB!98 said:

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JB!98 said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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That is incredible video. It certainly does appear the arc off the electrical lines ignites already spewing fuel. It is possible that pilots shut down fuel to #1 which may have killed initial fire but the FOD created further leaks that were ignited by the power lines.

Much will be learned by this tragedy, but the question will be how effective is the lessons learned on this since the MD11 is slated to be history by 2032.

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I am taking pictures of my computer screen so it is worse than potato quality. Can someone do a screen grab or something of this frame that is higher quality. I do not see the wing on fire in this frame. You may also be able to see if the slats are still in the correct position.

Damn it, I am just so interested in how this happened.

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Yeah, disregard, the wing is still on fire.

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And no left engine.

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Yes. This is important. Its gone before it hits obstructions or at least before that final group that flips it left as it goes into the ground we saw on the video from way to port of on page 4. So that shows it wasn't that flip that caused the crash --- its going down here already.

With the cowling on the tarmac, it does seem part of the left engine wrenched off even as soon as take off. More will be revealed no doubt.

Look closer--it looks like remnants of the left engine may be there, which is what you would expect.

Any audio from the UPS plane?

TRX said:

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Any audio from the UPS plane?

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ATC or from the CVR?

They found both data recorders yesterday and they're likely already at the NTSB's lab being analyzed.

However, the NTSB is prohibited by law from releasing the audio from the CVR. Congress banned it after Delta 1141 because the audio was very bad for Delta and the pilots, so the airlines and ALPA convinced Congress to make it where only transcripts are released under certain circumstances.

JB!98 said:

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JB!98 said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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That is incredible video. It certainly does appear the arc off the electrical lines ignites already spewing fuel. It is possible that pilots shut down fuel to #1 which may have killed initial fire but the FOD created further leaks that were ignited by the power lines.

Much will be learned by this tragedy, but the question will be how effective is the lessons learned on this since the MD11 is slated to be history by 2032.

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I am taking pictures of my computer screen so it is worse than potato quality. Can someone do a screen grab or something of this frame that is higher quality. I do not see the wing on fire in this frame. You may also be able to see if the slats are still in the correct position.

Damn it, I am just so interested in how this happened.

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Yeah, disregard, the wing is still on fire.

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Is that fire or just fuel vapor? The thing really goes off at the 3s mark in that video. There is a bright flash (like and arc) and a huge fireball right after. It's passed the electrical lines at that point and over the building (I'm assuming the one it hit).

agracer said:

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JB!98 said:

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JB!98 said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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That is incredible video. It certainly does appear the arc off the electrical lines ignites already spewing fuel. It is possible that pilots shut down fuel to #1 which may have killed initial fire but the FOD created further leaks that were ignited by the power lines.

Much will be learned by this tragedy, but the question will be how effective is the lessons learned on this since the MD11 is slated to be history by 2032.

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I am taking pictures of my computer screen so it is worse than potato quality. Can someone do a screen grab or something of this frame that is higher quality. I do not see the wing on fire in this frame. You may also be able to see if the slats are still in the correct position.

Damn it, I am just so interested in how this happened.

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Yeah, disregard, the wing is still on fire.

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Is that fire or just fuel vapor? The thing really goes off at the 3s mark in that video. There is a bright flash (like and arc) and a huge fireball right after.

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Go back to the video on the first page, then re-consult the one on the 4th page.

Something is burning as leaves the vicinity of the runway. If you watch the first page first one now with the second (4th page) in mind, you will see that fireball erupt nearly off screen (because filmer is making a panicked turn away) then come back on screen just long enough to see the wing flip to the left above the expanding fireball -- the same left flip so clearly see on page 4.

With this in mind the fire is going from lift off- the big baloon of fire seems to be a fuel explosion from impacting something horizontal just after clipping those power lines. It is after this fireball on the video of this post, you have the wing flip left and crash on the 4th page.

FAA already stated they reviewed cctv video from the airport and the footage shows the engine completely coming off during takeoff.