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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

I had 3 people I know just last week get laid off and the one today I already mentioned so four 4 people in 7 days. Tech, logistics, and consulting.

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Hold on there now...

I do know two people who have been laid off this year, a few months back at my company. But one is not looking for a job - has decided to retire - and the other has gotten a new job. There were many more who got RIFed but I don't know their situation.

Thus, I don't know anyone who is unemployed that wants to be employed right now.

For that RIF, I actually went to my manager and told him to put me on the list to fire, but the decision had been made and I was not nuked.

The worst October for layoffs in 22 years.

"Nothing to see here, move along, fake news, economy is awesome."

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/06/economy/job-layoff-announcements-challenger

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What did I say that's bitter? Things are great where I live. Sorry they're so bad where you folks are.

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Same, though all of my friends and family either work for the government (state and federal) or in Healthcare (doctors and nurses). No complaints all around.

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From what we have seen from the revelations, at this point that is almost a taxpayer sustained form of welfare for many. Its probably somewhat distorting?

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What's good for all politicians from president to governor, why can't it be good for the rest of us?

Throw in private business who get government subsidies (O&G, etc.) on a regular basis, private companies who make money off of welfare (SNAP being used to buy their goods) and of course those who get Social Security medicaid and Medicare, and it's one heck of a spectrum of distortion.

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Yes, indeed. Another way to say it is that anything being propped up by the government may be misleading as far as condition of the other fields and employment.

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YouBet said:

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

I had 3 people I know just last week get laid off and the one today I already mentioned so four 4 people in 7 days. Tech, logistics, and consulting.

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Hold on there now...

I do know two people who have been laid off this year, a few months back at my company. But one is not looking for a job - has decided to retire - and the other has gotten a new job. There were many more who got RIFed but I don't know their situation.

Thus, I don't know anyone who is unemployed that wants to be employed right now.

For that RIF, I actually went to my manager and told him to put me on the list to fire, but the decision had been made and I was not nuked.

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Well, that's a different category of people. You could consider me in that category since I up and decided to early retire on my own (ie was not forced to like so many others).

And, FTR, I don't count government workers getting laid off - those jobs shouldn't have existed in the first place and 90% were likely Democrat operatives.

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The worst October for layoffs in 22 years.

"Nothing to see here, move along, fake news, economy is awesome."

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/06/economy/job-layoff-announcements-challenger

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The government numbers haven't come out yet. CNN just looked for some report that said Trump bad and landed on some random executive coaching website that gave them the spin they needed. So yeah we don't know yet.

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The worst October for layoffs in 22 years.

"Nothing to see here, move along, fake news, economy is awesome."

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/06/economy/job-layoff-announcements-challenger

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While I don't disagree that there are a lot of firms laying off workers...there is a strange amount of parsing in that article.

For example:

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"This is the highest total for October in over 20 years, and the highest total for a single month in the fourth quarter since 2008. Like in 2003, a disruptive technology is changing the landscape," the report said.

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Cherrypicking doesn't even do it justice.

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No Spin Ag said:

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jja79 said:

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What did I say that's bitter? Things are great where I live. Sorry they're so bad where you folks are.

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Same, though all of my friends and family either work for the government (state and federal) or in Healthcare (doctors and nurses). No complaints all around.

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From what we have seen from the revelations, at this point that is almost a taxpayer sustained form of welfare for many. Its probably somewhat distorting?

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What's good for all politicians from president to governor, why can't it be good for the rest of us?

Throw in private business who get government subsidies (O&G, etc.) on a regular basis, private companies who make money off of welfare (SNAP being used to buy their goods) and of course those who get Social Security medicaid and Medicare, and it's one heck of a spectrum of distortion.

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Yes, indeed. Another way to say it is that anything being propped up by the government may be misleading as far as condition of the other fields and employment.

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1,000%.

That does also show which jobs are safer and people can build a future, even if with less money, on, and which ones aren't.

Decisions , decisions.

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The worst October for layoffs in 22 years.

"Nothing to see here, move along, fake news, economy is awesome."

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/06/economy/job-layoff-announcements-challenger

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While I don't disagree that there are a lot of firms laying off workers...there is a strange amount of parsing in that article.

For example:

Quote:

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"This is the highest total for October in over 20 years, and the highest total for a single month in the fourth quarter since 2008. Like in 2003, a disruptive technology is changing the landscape," the report said.

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Cherrypicking doesn't even do it justice.

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Kudos to CNN for not blaming Trump and blaming AI?

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shiftyandquick said:

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The worst October for layoffs in 22 years.

"Nothing to see here, move along, fake news, economy is awesome."

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/06/economy/job-layoff-announcements-challenger

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While I don't disagree that there are a lot of firms laying off workers...there is a strange amount of parsing in that article.

For example:

Quote:

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"This is the highest total for October in over 20 years, and the highest total for a single month in the fourth quarter since 2008. Like in 2003, a disruptive technology is changing the landscape," the report said.

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Cherrypicking doesn't even do it justice.

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Glad to see CNN hasn't changed.
**** like this is why no one trusts the media . They expect you to read the headline only, like the simpleton you are. Target audience is Democrats.

It's not just reported by CNN. CNN just picked up on it. It's all over the news. I guess Fox is not reporting this?

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than I ever have before. It's staggering.

And the ones getting jobs are taking massive pay cuts.

I think we are in for a very bad few years.

Who's bullish? Why?

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But but but we are a free economy... we are a capitalist society.... if corporations can hire cheaper abroad, why should they be stopped... do HVAC, become a plumber.... trust the CEO.... cut regulations.... cut taxes....we don't have the skills in America so need more H1Bs....

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/last-month-marked-worst-october-for-layoffs-in-more-than-20-years-challenger-132320043.html

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I must live in the only place that's booming because I see it differently.

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I'm sure there are pockets.
Even in Tech, if you are related to the AI and it's supply chain, you are good (NVDA is a great example). My son interned at one of their suppliers, and they were hiring dozens every week.

But pretty much everything else is awful.

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That's not true at all.

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

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bs

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YouBet said:

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

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It's not. Don't know what to tell you. As I already posted, I know 4 people who got laid off just in the last week.

edit: I think there is a massive reallocation of talent happening right now. Some industries/sectors are getting hammered and some aren't. I just so happen to be close to the industries getting hammered.

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Athanasius said:

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than I ever have before. It's staggering.

And the ones getting jobs are taking massive pay cuts.

I think we are in for a very bad few years.

Who's bullish? Why?

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But but but we are a free economy... we are a capitalist society.... if corporations can hire cheaper abroad, why should they be stopped... do HVAC, become a plumber.... trust the CEO.... cut regulations.... cut taxes....we don't have the skills in America so need more H1Bs....

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That's a Libertarian view, or one favoring those with the most company control, but its not one where America national interests is prioritized.

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than I ever have before. It's staggering.

And the ones getting jobs are taking massive pay cuts.

I think we are in for a very bad few years.

Who's bullish? Why?

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I'm certain your concerns are valid.

Then only thing I can think of is I'm old enough to remember the Reagan economic boom. However, from the time those cuts were passed until it really took effect, was well over a year. It was basically from 1981 to late 1982. Once it got going, it was a human freight train.

I'd normally be quite optimistic, as the BBB is somewhat similar in economic practicality except for one thing, the emergence of AI.

The second issue is we have a $7 trillion economy, IF and when the fruits come to pass, it will easily take 9-15 months to kick in.

Long story short, I'm hopeful, as I know this would have worked anytime before 2020 but have no idea the effects of AI.

My data point

Retail management, got laid off earlier this year. Had to do a career change to find something with equivalent income. Retail is getting hit hard, when I got laid off the available jobs at my level were few and far between without relocating, which I can't do at the moment.

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Learn to code, right? Oh no, AI can do that now. Learn a trade. Framing, plumbing, welding, mechanics.

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Yes, learn to code because someone has to maintain and feed that AI

One of the big pushes to get the BBB done before July4th was to address the issue with Reagan's improvements not making a difference in time for the mid-terms. Kudlow was laser focused on this and was in Trump's ear not to cave on anything but one bill and to get it done as quickly as possible.

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

I had 3 people I know just last week get laid off and the one today I already mentioned so four 4 people in 7 days. Tech, logistics, and consulting.

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K shape economy.

From the middle class, you either are benefitting really well via stocks/trading/industry or you're getting your teeth kicked in.... just like 2020.

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I must live in the only place that's booming because I see it differently.

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I'm sure there are pockets.
Even in Tech, if you are related to the AI and it's supply chain, you are good (NVDA is a great example). My son interned at one of their suppliers, and they were hiring dozens every week.

But pretty much everything else is awful.

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That's not true at all.

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Ok. But you sound just like the democrats on this board when we said the same thing under Biden.

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YouBet said:

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

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bs

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It's not. Don't know what to tell you. As I already posted, I know 4 people who got laid off just in the last week.

edit: I think there is a massive reallocation of talent happening right now. Some industries/sectors are getting hammered and some aren't. I just so happen to be close to the industries getting hammered.

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I get it man.
Last year my entire team was laid off (50+ engineers) and all the jobs moved to India.
Even our H1Bs were laid off, because its looked so much cheaper on the books. About 25
% of our team was H1Bs.
Kept in touch with some engineers. One of them (50+ white male) found a job a month ago, after being unable to find anything for a year. At half his original salary.

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agracer said:

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YouBet said:

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

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bs

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It's not. Don't know what to tell you. As I already posted, I know 4 people who got laid off just in the last week.

edit: I think there is a massive reallocation of talent happening right now. Some industries/sectors are getting hammered and some aren't. I just so happen to be close to the industries getting hammered.

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I get it man.
Last year my entire team was laid off (50+ engineers) and all the jobs moved to India.
We even laid off our H1Bs, because its looked so much cheaper on the books.
one of those developers (50+ white male) found a job a month ago, after being unable to find anything for a year. At half his original salary.

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So Infinity Ag's bashing of CEOs is not entirely without its meat. They are routinely closing and shipping jobs to India to pay cheaper as he goes on about.

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agracer said:

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YouBet said:

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

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bs

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It's not. Don't know what to tell you. As I already posted, I know 4 people who got laid off just in the last week.

edit: I think there is a massive reallocation of talent happening right now. Some industries/sectors are getting hammered and some aren't. I just so happen to be close to the industries getting hammered.

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I get it man.
Last year my entire team was laid off (50+ engineers) and all the jobs moved to India.
We even laid off our H1Bs, because its looked so much cheaper on the books.
one of those developers (50+ white male) found a job a month ago, after being unable to find anything for a year. At half his original salary.

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So Infinity Ag's bashing of CEOs is not entirely without its meat. They are routinely closing and shipping jobs to India to pay cheaper as he goes on about.

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Some of his bashing is spot on. Even the best run companies, eventually end up with a jackass in a critical decision making position, that will use offshoring to save their own skin.

I worked at an outstanding company in Austin, but we had a bad quarter, and a last minute sale that couldn't be closed in the quarter. To make the quarter look better, guess what our VP did?

Also, the company hired roughly 5 times the number of engineers in India to get roughly the same output, and because of the increased headcount, and contractors hasn't really saved any money. But the VP is still there.

If that poster is spot on about anything, it's the general incompetence of corporate leadership.

I blame HR departments, but most higher levels of companies got there by failing upwards.

Been fortunate to have been on my own for 16 years now. Nothing better.

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agracer said:

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YouBet said:

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

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bs

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It's not. Don't know what to tell you. As I already posted, I know 4 people who got laid off just in the last week.

edit: I think there is a massive reallocation of talent happening right now. Some industries/sectors are getting hammered and some aren't. I just so happen to be close to the industries getting hammered.

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I get it man.
Last year my entire team was laid off (50+ engineers) and all the jobs moved to India.
We even laid off our H1Bs, because its looked so much cheaper on the books.
one of those developers (50+ white male) found a job a month ago, after being unable to find anything for a year. At half his original salary.

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So Infinity Ag's bashing of CEOs is not entirely without its meat. They are routinely closing and shipping jobs to India to pay cheaper as he goes on about.

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He isn't wrong. There are just so many contrarians on this site that you are bound to get people making fun of you for breathing oxygen.

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agracer said:

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YouBet said:

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

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bs

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It's not. Don't know what to tell you. As I already posted, I know 4 people who got laid off just in the last week.

edit: I think there is a massive reallocation of talent happening right now. Some industries/sectors are getting hammered and some aren't. I just so happen to be close to the industries getting hammered.

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I get it man.
Last year my entire team was laid off (50+ engineers) and all the jobs moved to India.
We even laid off our H1Bs, because its looked so much cheaper on the books.
one of those developers (50+ white male) found a job a month ago, after being unable to find anything for a year. At half his original salary.

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So Infinity Ag's bashing of CEOs is not entirely without its meat. They are routinely closing and shipping jobs to India to pay cheaper as he goes on about.

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Yes. But any good false narrative needs some kernel of truth with which it appears grounded in. Just keep a watchful eye because the passion is a bit over the top.

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I don't know a single person who has been fired or let go. What industries and companies are these happening at?

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My industry is doing well, but I know it's a bloodbath in other industries. Pretty much every big tech and big oil company has announced massive layoffs this year.

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TommyBrady said:

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I don't know a single person who has been fired or let go. What industries and companies are these happening at?

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My industry is doing well, but I know it's a bloodbath in other industries. Pretty much every big tech and big oil company has announced massive layoffs this year.

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Big tech may simply be doing convenient housekeeping in the name of AI. Likely still cleaning out the WFH holdouts or the ones who became problems when they returned to work.

O&G is O&G. Layoffs there are an economic bellwether for let's say Houston and a bit of Dallas, but one should be cautious applying that across the board. In fact, cheaper O&G boosts other industries from plastics to fuel to utilities.

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I don't know a single person who has been fired or let go. What industries and companies are these happening at?

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My industry is doing well, but I know it's a bloodbath in other industries. Pretty much every big tech and big oil company has announced massive layoffs this year.

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Big tech may simply be doing convenient housekeeping in the name of AI. Likely still cleaning out the WFH holdouts or the ones who became problems when they returned to work.

O&G is O&G. Layoffs there are an economic bellwether for let's say Houston and a bit of Dallas, but one should be cautious applying that across the board. In fact, cheaper O&G boosts other industries from plastics to fuel to utilities.

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Agreed, but to act like layoffs arent happening in any industry and everything is going great is just false. I see companies announce layoffs seemingly every week. I see it especially in Houston.

Its a brutal job market for a lot of folks, and its probably not going to get any better anytime soon.

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YouBet said:

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If this thread doesn't encapsulate this country right now then I don't know what does.

Half the thread has never even heard of layoffs and the other half is seeing them throughout their employment and friend circles.

My wife and I have known north of 20-30 people this year that have gotten laid off. Not exaggerating. It might actually be more.

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bs

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It's not. Don't know what to tell you. As I already posted, I know 4 people who got laid off just in the last week.

edit: I think there is a massive reallocation of talent happening right now. Some industries/sectors are getting hammered and some aren't. I just so happen to be close to the industries getting hammered.

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I get it man.
Last year my entire team was laid off (50+ engineers) and all the jobs moved to India.
We even laid off our H1Bs, because its looked so much cheaper on the books.
one of those developers (50+ white male) found a job a month ago, after being unable to find anything for a year. At half his original salary.

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So Infinity Ag's bashing of CEOs is not entirely without its meat. They are routinely closing and shipping jobs to India to pay cheaper as he goes on about.

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Bro, I know what I am talking about.
And since I am an Aggie and you all are too (most of you), I have not given up trying to educate people here and try to open their eyes. At the cost of all the resistance and insults that I face here, I have been able to change some minds, so that is good. Hopefully they will tell others and this picks up steam in our own small way. People should do their own research, not listen to TV and radio show hosts, their CEOs, their wives, their pastors. Everyone can be bought and/or brainwashed. There's been a lot of brainwashing that has happened for decades on the Boomers and the older GenX'ers which causes them to boot-lick CEOs, who in turn use this to enrich themselves.

I've seen this for more than 25 years in tech. I realized in 2007 itself that it was going to be a big problem when I had a chance to work with 40 of those H1B clowns from Chennai and all they did was steal my code and present it as their own. Then they got reassigned to another client company and I had to clean up the mess they made when they stole my code.

Well wasn't saying you were wrong, and it looks like not a small number of posters kind of agree with you. I wouldn't gainsay any of it, because of experience has been working for small businesses and I/T work for them. It wasn't big scale corporate and the owners were generally good guys. However, even back in retail work days, company heads would make sudden decisions just sacrificing great sales and employees to clearly benefit a known ladder climber. So nothing that strange about what you say.

I was out of work for a month and a half recently as a result of a lay off. Ended up in a better spot salary wise. I will say I was very nervous but I did manage a couple solid interviews almost immediately.

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Well wasn't saying you were wrong, and it looks like not a small number of posters kind of agree with you. I wouldn't gainsay any of it, because of experience has been working for small businesses and I/T work for them. It wasn't big scale corporate and the owners were generally good guys. However, even back in retail work days, company heads would make sudden decisions just sacrificing great sales and employees to clearly benefit a known ladder climber. So nothing that strange about what you say.

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Many people here think the layoffs are for a real good business reason. Which is fine if that was the case. But no, most layoffs are to cut costs while sacrificing quality leading to the company slowly going down the tubes. dedgod gave an example of his own company, that is what I mean. The CEO makes money and the company or team is decimated. And money we pay H1Bs leaves the country forever and does not circulate in our economy. We lose as a country. Nowadays "We are laying off for AI" is a common lie. AI isn't taking jobs (yet). But that doesn't stop the lies. America loses.