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The genocide in Gaza

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Like the massacre in munchkinland and slaughter of Ewoks on Endor.

FICTION


Sorry your terrorists are losing.

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I'm ashamed that I have to share a political party with you.

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If you don't support Cruz, one of the most effective and dedicated conservative voices in politics, we don't share the same party. Enjoy shilling for Tucker and his Qatari owners.

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There are some who are so poisoned in their hate for Israel, it trumps everything else beyond reason.

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Yep. And in "his party" is a grifter who will say and do anything for money, a proud self proclaimed Nazi, a lunatic who at one point said a bee cult (among other groups) murdered Charlie Kirk, and literal terrorists. Happy we're not in the same party too.

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If your support for Israel the nation state based scripture then you must also support all Christians having equal share of the land. We are JOINT heirs to the promises to Abraham. Not in part. Nothing excluded. The full benefit. So if your scriptural take is there is some benefit geopolitically to the nation state it must be equal to all Christians. But alas the scriptures aren't about a nation state set up by men in vain but the Kingdom of God.

I would encourage reading early church fathers on this topic.

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My view is that He will use both the Church and His chosen people for His own glory. His promises also endure, and I am thankful for it. There is no need to be jealous or to tell God whom He is and is not allowed to work through, especially when He has promised to do so.

Also, entirely aside from that, there is absolutely 0 doubt which side in the region is worth supporting. There is a legitimate evil that lives in a portion of the Islamists there and everyone deems Israel as the one who gets to live side by side with them.

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The genocide in Gaza

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Like the massacre in munchkinland and slaughter of Ewoks on Endor.

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Sorry your terrorists are losing.

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I'm ashamed that I have to share a political party with you.

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If you don't support Cruz, one of the most effective and dedicated conservative voices in politics, we don't share the same party. Enjoy shilling for Tucker and his Qatari owners.

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There are some who are so poisoned in their hate for Israel, it trumps everything else beyond reason.

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Yep. And in "his party" is a grifter who will say and do anything for money, a proud self proclaimed Nazi, a lunatic who at one point said a bee cult (among other groups) murdered Charlie Kirk, and literal terrorists. Happy we're not in the same party too.

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Some people found the Jonestown kool aid and are drinking it.

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If your support for Israel the nation state based scripture then you must also support all Christians having equal share of the land. We are JOINT heirs to the promises to Abraham. Not in part. Nothing excluded. The full benefit. So if your scriptural take is there is some benefit geopolitically to the nation state it must be equal to all Christians. But alas the scriptures aren't about a nation state set up by men in vain but the Kingdom of God.

I would encourage reading early church fathers on this topic.

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My view is that He will use both the Church and his chosen people for His own glory. His promises also endure, and I am thankful for it. There is no need to be jealous or to tell God whom He is and is not alloved to work through, especially when He has promised to do so.

Also, entirely aside from that, there is absolutely 0 doubt which side in the region is worth supporting. There is a legitimate evil that lives in a portion of the Islamists there and everyone deems Israel as the one who gets to live side by side with them.

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Zechariah 12:9

Zechariah 14:2-3

Joel 3:2

Ezekiel 38-39


All mention that every nation will turn againts Israel. I for one do not want to be on the side that turns on Israel. God's wrath is no joke.

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The problem is you have high level politicians like Ted Cruz who are making geopolitical decisions based on what's good for Israel. Not what's good USA or Texas. And furthermore he butchers the Scripture in his vain attempt to obfuscate where his allegiance is.

Then the flip side is people like Tucker rightly calling him out on his BS.

However What I assume is Tucker and candance and whoever that Nick kid is are intel assets playing the otherside of the field.

Israel's influence and US politicians catering to Israel interests has become so apparent and repulsive there needs to be a "opposition" group of political influencers to control that message.

End of the day I doubt very few people have America's interest at heart. Massie seems like a potential outlier. And it makes sense why the maga and gop establishment have gone after him so vehemently.

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You may take issue with Israel

I take issue with Tucker and his ties to Russia

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You cannot serve two masters. US politicians are paid for and or blackmailed by Israel. The policy decisions are being made from a globalist perspective because our politicians are by definition globalists by the donor dollars.


Ted Cruz has stated he makes political decisions to "Bless Israel". Not America but a foreign country. Remove the name Israel and no one would support this nonsense. It's hard to take people like you seriously who turn a blind eye because of bad theology.

Imagine if Russia was able to get the Texas governor to shutdown criticism of Russia on Texas campuses?

Anyways my point is trying to answer the OP. Younger generations who aren't so predisposed to dispensationalism are bothered why conservative leaders and politicians are so obsessed with Israel over their own country. And I think the GOP is in for a very rough time at the polls due to it.

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So you have no issue with Tucker being bought by Russia?

I'm incredibly suspect of Tucker. He tried to join the cia at a young age and "didn't make it" only later to wind up one of the biggest conservative personalities on TV.

The bitter pill is I don't see any politician or political voice actually trying to represent their constituents for the better.

Is that true? I'm not aware. If it is share the evidence.

I don't trust Tucker at all for the record regardless. But Tucker isn't a US senator openly advocating for a foreign nation over his own based on the butchering of Scripture he learned in Sunday school. So you can't really play whataboutism between Ted and Tucker.

This is the part that seems to be getting missed.

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Also, entirely aside from that, there is absolutely 0 doubt which side in the region is worth supporting. There is a legitimate evil that lives in a portion of the Islamists there and everyone deems Israel as the one who gets to live side by side with them.

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Its not even about supporting Israel because of a Bible take --- who is the more civilized? If Hamas were doing Oct 7ths to Turkey it would be absolutely legit for Turkey taking it to them.

If want some Congressional investigation to affirm that Israel is conducting the war in the semi-careful manner that is claimed, that seems reasonable. But all the indications are they are not conducting the war in some freewheeling unrestrained way. But after Oct 7th its an open question if Israel is even obligated to do that. Our follow-up to 9/11 was more discriminate than any culprits had a right to demand. This seems similar.

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The reverse is also true.

It tough to really explain, other than there are so many rtards out there, on both sides... but lots of "conservatives" want to censor other conservatives or people they don't agree with, just like what was taking place under the Obama and Biden admins and something they were supposedly totally against. The biggest censor topic is Israel, though and that is where the big divide seems to be. If you question Israel or its motives, you are generally labeled as an antisemite, akin to under the Biden admin, when you were called a racist for not supporting BLM, or really any other reason, for that matter.

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It tough to really explain, other than there are so many rtards out there, on both sides... but lots of "conservatives" want to censor other conservatives or people they don't agree with, just like what was taking place under the Obama and Biden admins and something they were supposedly totally against. The biggest censor topic is Israel, though and that is where the big divide seems to be. If you question Israel or its motives, you are generally labeled as an antisemite, akin to under the Biden admin, when you were called a racist for not supporting BLM, or really any other reason, for that matter.

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No one is censoring the anti-Israel crowd. They shout that **** every chance they get. Hell, we get a thread at least once a week on here about ThE gEnOcIdE or iSrAeL iS iN cHaRgE oF oUr GoVeRnMeNt.

Yes, there's so much censorship of Israel criticism that a cottage industry of activists, pundits, and influencers are making careers of it.

See the last two replies to see what I'm talking about. Can't bring up Israel or else you're a hater, libtard or antisemite.

Also proves the point that Israel is the cause of the division within the conservatives and its pundits. Pretty crazy and darkly humorous that another country is what is dividing Americans.

Edit: Ben Shapiro a "conservative" is advocating censorship. This isn't about posters on F16, though many of them advocate for censorship too.

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See the last two replies to see what I'm talking about. Can't bring up Israel or else you're a hater, libtard or antisemite.

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Nah, people can bring it up, but it does seem to be the same group of "haters, libtards, and antisemites" that just can't help themselves to turn everything into a bash the Jews thread. They are obsessed. It's always the same 8-10 posters.

IS it a "conservative" civil war at all? Or is it more like a civil war within the "Right" ?

In any case it seems to be a real divide growing. It appears to center on the facts of just what is or is not going on within Gaza. Is the Israeli accounts really credibly (key word) seriously doubted? And No, USS Liberty Incident way back in '67 does not make doubting the present especially plausible.

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See the last two replies to see what I'm talking about. Can't bring up Israel or else you're a hater, libtard or antisemite.

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That's a complete lie about me and my comment.

You don't want an honest discussion, so stop pretending this is about free speech or anything else.

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IS it a "conservative" civil war at all? Or is it more like a civil war within the "Right" ?

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It's a spat between "influencers" and their gullible followers.

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See the last two replies to see what I'm talking about. Can't bring up Israel or else you're a hater, libtard or antisemite.

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Nah, people can bring it up, but it does seem to be the same group of "haters, libtards, and antisemites" that just can't help themselves to turn everything into a bash the Jews thread. They are obsessed. It's always the same 8-10 posters.

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I don't think anyone is obsessed. I'm sure not. I always notice you reply to my posts about this topic though. I guess I'm one of the few dissenters on this topic on F16 and that's fine by me. Dissenting voices shouldn't get you angry.

OP, if you're following these conversations, you can see where the rift is. The "I" word.

Everyone is America first until they are asked to join the military

I'm not angry at all. Not sure where you got that from. Maybe you see yourself as some sort of brave dissenter who is one of the few who can see the "actual truth" and those who don't buy it are just angry rubes and simps.

Reality is you saw some posts on Facebook you thought sounded good and have joined some other flat Earthers in knowing "what's really going on."

We're not angry about anything, just sick of the same people with their weird obsession over their boogeymen that they won't shut up about. It's likeTDS.

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It tough to really explain, other than there are so many rtards out there, on both sides... but lots of "conservatives" want to censor other conservatives or people they don't agree with, just like what was taking place under the Obama and Biden admins and something they were supposedly totally against. The biggest censor topic is Israel, though and that is where the big divide seems to be. If you question Israel or its motives, you are generally labeled as an antisemite, akin to under the Biden admin, when you were called a racist for not supporting BLM, or really any other reason, for that matter.

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This is the woke rights new tactic. When you challenge their ridiculous arguments they immediately turn around and cry about censorship.

Same thing they just did to Shapiro for righty calling out the evil things being done to a recently widowed woman.

You'd rather follow a guy who's feeding the flames and preaching about the virtues of Islam. A guy who said he wouldn't condemn his brother if he went on a killing spree. Which unironically sounds just like what a radical Muslim terrorist would do.

JFC!

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Matt Gaetz tells Tucker Carlson that “Israel was involved in the ‘op’ that accused him of trafficking underage girls.” pic.twitter.com/zYAYEOcUQT

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) December 22, 2025

Israeli intelligence ate my homework

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Israeli intelligence ate my homework

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That's a bridge too far, its time for war.

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JFC!

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Matt Gaetz tells Tucker Carlson that “Israel was involved in the ‘op’ that accused him of trafficking underage girls.” pic.twitter.com/zYAYEOcUQT

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) December 22, 2025

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This is crazy. But maybe recalling wrong -- don't recall Gaetz being some kind of outspoken anti-Israel type conservative, or pro two-state, or anything to provoke such even in theory. Is this an old show, or also dated to 22nd like the clip.

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JFC!

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Matt Gaetz tells Tucker Carlson that “Israel was involved in the ‘op’ that accused him of trafficking underage girls.” pic.twitter.com/zYAYEOcUQT

— Open Source Intel (@Osint613) December 22, 2025

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Grifters, UNITE!

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Unity is good, but truth is better. And sometimes, truth divides.

Why does this happen so much more on the right than on the left? Because the left is seeking to destroy - the church, the family, the West - and destruction requires little agreement. Use whatever tool you want, however you want. Just take it down.

But, on the right, we're seeking to build something. And when you're building something, you have to agree on a lot. What are you building? What materials should you use? Which tools? And, most importantly, what's our foundation?

As Christians, we hold that the foundation of any flourishing civilization is that we were created in the image of a God whose power transcends the government's. He alone is the giver of rights and the determinant of right and wrong.

We can't compromise on that, because without that truth, nothing else in conservatism holds together.

Our job isn't to compromise on our foundation for the sake of "unity." It's to do everything we can to pull people over to our sideto what's good, right, and true.

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Unity is good, but truth is better. And sometimes, truth divides.

Why does this happen so much more on the right than on the left? Because the left is seeking to destroy - the church, the family, the West - and destruction requires little agreement. Use whatever tool you want,… pic.twitter.com/NNnqPJfcBY

— Allie Beth Stuckey (@conservmillen) December 22, 2025

Interesting he called out Fuentes, but not Tucker

I think a large (though not the only) cause of the current disagreements is the growing isolationist trend on the Right. What gives me pause, however, is how they continuously frame the argument by hyper-focusing negatively on Israel. I prefer more straightforward methods of arguing for a position.

Also, the Overton window has widened. As people have lost trust in our institutions and the internet has made information more accessible, it makes sense that the boundaries of debate are shifting.