Canada next, eh?

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Biz Ag said:

Trade them Minnesota for Alberta straight up.

Win-win.



At this point how about we just GIVE them Minnesota...if they want to give us Alberta that's great but I just want to be done with that state altogether and let Canada deal with them.
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Fascism!!
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Take it……Take it…..Take it…TAKE IT, TAKE IT, TAKE IT!!!!
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Alberta is tired of being raped by Ottawa. Huge turnout for their referendum.

Good for Trump for supporting these freedom fighters, finally.
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DallasAg 94 said:

If Alberta seperates, Canada would further fragment.

Quebec would take Newfoundland
Ontario would likely take most of the rest. Manitoba, Sask.
BC + NW + Yukon

We could package Seattle with BC.

SK would definitely go with Alberta over Ontario. Manitoba is harder to say, probably goes with Ontario. I think a separatist state is more likely than joining the US but at this point I don't see how Alberta benefits from staying part of Canada and letting Ontario and Quebec tell them how to live and take their money when all they have to do is vote to leave. They still have just enough socialism/brainwashing mindset that they may not want to join the US and that's ok too, would love for them to leave Canada though and fracture the hell out of that country. If they can separate enough of BC/NW Territories to connect it to Alaska that would be ideal.

Generally though a lot of Albertans are more Texan than many Texans.
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Science Denier said:

Phatbob said:

hE's GoInG tO iNvAdE!!!!

The UN will send 53 troops and a helicopter to defend them.


Also blankets, water bottles, and tampons.
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Trump's not playing around

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So when Canada agrees to all of Trumps demands, will libs still cry TACO for him not implementing the 50% tariff?

Trying to understand how TACOs work?
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Yeah, it sounds like they've been playing around with Gulfstream certifications, which was stupid for them to do. I am not sure about 'decertifications' but their aviation industry depends a lot on US sales, ours in return not so much.
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Canada has been living off of the US pretty much their entire existence and screwing us on trade without so much as a by your leave.

Like all libs, they've come to believe that we owe them a living and they're entitled to our generosity with absolutely no strings attached.

F'em. Let them learn the hard way.

I hate leftists.
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nortex97 said:

Yeah, it sounds like they've been playing around with Gulfstream certifications, which was stupid for them to do. I am not sure about 'decertifications' but their aviation industry depends a lot on US sales, ours in return not so much.

This is also in response to the Grippen thing. Canada says we won't buy your F-35s. Okay, well now your leading aircraft manufacturer is bankrupt. I have a friend that works on trade things (not related to Canada) but it's openly talked about how condescending and delusional the Canadian delegations have been. Carney is playing Eurocrat games in a country that has 75-80% of it's exports going to the US.

In addition the Albertans know, and I'm sure the Trump administration has made clear, that if they vote for independence and the Canadians don't negotiate in good faith, they can just declare independence, the US recognizes it and says oh hey we'll sign this trade agreement, and guarantee your sovreignty. No statehood needed.

Canada at that point is absolutely f'd.

They can't take Alberta back by force. They will have to recognize it or their entire economy stops. Not just US goods but anything being shipped from west to east stops. And then if they get feisty you stop and inspect ships at the canal. Now they're wholy dependent on goods shipped from Europe. There are no rail lines OR highways north of Alberta that connect. So now BC is completely isolated. An attempt to throw out their independence might lead to referendums (and/or crackdowns) in SK, MB and the Yukon. At that point Canada is completely fractured and unable to function.

The sad fact is that Carney and Ottowa are acting as a hostile nation. It's not particularly subtle. I'm sure Smith knows that the smart play is to slow roll this and support from the side. If Alberta votes to go, which I'd say is a 60/40 against, Canada as it has been known is gone.
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The problem with that is that most of MN counties are Republican. Like CA, IL, and NY, once you get out of the cities, you find some fairly conservative folks.
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If Canada separates, then it will be the fault of a Liberal Party too consumed with Ontario and Quebec over the interests of everyone else.

The United States will just be there to pick up the pieces.
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Good post, though I think the decline is intentional, and the steps from referendum to an actual negotiation to a vote to secede will still take a year or two at minimum.

And, they really are quite socially/politically different vs. the rest of the Canadian provinces, even with state-run media.
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Chief Troll mode Trump.
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We'd have to wall in Minneapolis St. Paul can't let those radlib twunts escape. The actual state line could be high fenced and patrolled for any loose loons.
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Canada is supposedly going to build more EV's per Carney with massive new subsidy plan for Canadian made EV's, but the billion dollar investment by Stellantis in an Ontario battery plant is now worth…a hundred bucks.

ETA: this guy put it better:
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LOL. Yes, she's serious.
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Sims said:

PCC_80 said:

Am I the only person that thinks that a major reshuffling of the cards is coming in the next few years ? ?


Generally we have all leveraged future prosperity for current pleasure for the past 20 - 30 years. Some more than others.

The bill is coming due.

Now everyone is figuring out the best way to 1) pay the bill or 2) avoid the repo man...but mostly the latter.



How about eliminating the billions in the states in fraud? That's a great place to start. Then shut down the NGOs. I bet when you add it all up it's probably in the trillions.
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Not that's called throwing in the towel.

Back in 2009 when Obama was first in office he sent his little delegation over to meet with the automakers and their engineers to tell them how they needed to retool for EVs, new CAFE standards and other green initiatives.

As they are delivering demands the engineers are shaking their heads. That won't work. Against the laws of thermodynamics. The response from Obama's Green Experts? We'll just repeal those.

I have said for years that EVs, our electric grid, cold weather, long distances, heavy loads will restrict the market for them as impractical, needlessly expensive and even worse more harmful environmentally. That is counter productive for the stated goals.

So unless someone actually invents dilantium crystals from Star Trek and soon, not happening.
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I have no problem with someone liking their EV, but I think special credit has to be given to Joe Biden for hawking the most garish of them, using our WH (he promoted a Wrangler EV once at the White House) and taxpayer funds/debt to do so.

Trump pushed Tesla's too, but at least those are fairly reasonable by comparison (I don't think he ever drove a cybertruck), and of course he wasn't absurdly wearing a chin mask while doing so.
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I have no problem with someone liking their EV,

Neither do I.

what I do have a problem with are mandates that would force people who can't use them to buy them. We live on a ranch. The Hubs tows crap, or has heavy loads in his one ton. He even has that special hitch installed for gooseneck trailers. Which in and of itself is heavy. Yes he gets crappy mileage when towing but there is a job to do which requires certain equipment.
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Getting Alberta would be so huge! Portions of countries breaking off and joining other countries or going it alone would have a very therapeutic effect on out of control government overreach and the outright screwing of rural areas by big liberal cities.

This would be similar to the therapeutic effect of citizens fleeing high tax states and cities to low tax red states. People want to live with others who share similar views.

Freedom is awesome!

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No worries, the Canadian auto industry will just rely on non-American manufacturers with the US ones abandoning our 'friends' in Ottawa.
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Trump going after some bridge between Michigan and Canada is today's funny. Maybe there's strategery involved there, or not.
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Will the US exit USMCA?

I wonder if Trump is waiting on the tariff SCOTUS ruling first. Governor Carney clearly is begging for attention, though.
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So Alberta wants to separate from Canada because it's not feeling represented by their government?

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This is all propaganda by the side fighting against Alberta voting to leave. The polls show that a super majority want to leave but when asked if they want to join the United States they don't get a majority. When asked if they want to have Trump as their leader it is almost zero.
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Little short sighted as Trump would probably never "be their leader"
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Trump is not ineligible to run for governor.
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Canadian paper travels to Alabama to see how much better they could have done lately.
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For decades, elite commentary has treated the American South as economically lagging and culturally stuck in the past. Alabama has often been shorthand for backward. So when the Globe dispatches a reporter to Rocket City to conduct a GDP comparison, the data are treated less as a routine economic fluctuation and more as a development that demands explanation.
At one point, the Globe writes:
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"Canadians could probably stomach maintaining their living standards slip relative to the broader U.S., the epicentre of the world's tech revolution. But Alabama?"


Silicon Valley fits the hierarchy. Alabama unsettles it.
Once the framing is set aside, the mechanics are straightforward. The Globe itself walks through what Alabama did differently. The state tightened incentive programs, imposed clawbacks when companies failed to deliver, and focused relentlessly on speed-to-market. Permits moved. Industrial sites were ready. Taxes were competitive. As one former state official put it:
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"We felt like we could win most of the time based on having available sites, available work force, good business climate, low taxes and speed to market."

There is nothing exotic about that formula. Lower friction. Faster approvals. Predictable rules. Capital tends to favor environments where projects do not stall in procedural limbo.
The Globe does not ignore Alabama's weaknesses. It highlights income disparities, rural poverty, and gaps in life expectancy. It quotes economists who caution against obsessing over per capita GDP alone. Those caveats matter. They also do not change the competitivedirection that prompted the trip in the first place.
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"If Canadians remain complacent, the rest of the world will eat our lunch."

That is not a slogan. It is an admission.
This is not a cultural rivalry story. It is a procedural one. Alabama reduced drag. Canada, in recent years, layered on regulatory complexity, housing distortions, and prolonged project timelines. When one jurisdiction shortens the path to breaking ground, and another lengthens it, the compounding effects show up in the numbers.

More at the link, with many LOL's.
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Alberta says... Hey eastern Canada stop touching us.
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BTKAG97 said:

2026NCAggies said:

Guessing it would be a swing state during elections? Or are the people Dems?

Alberta is the Montana equivalent of Canada. Edmonton is very conservative. Basically equal to Ft Worth. Calgary more liberal but far right by Canada standards.


Compared to the rest of Canada. Compared to the US, it's another Minnesota.

The few people you meet in oil and gas are far more conservative than the millions of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants that are in Edmondton and think that everyone should pay for their stuff.
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Epic 4D chess by Trump. Start talks with separatists to get Canada Hockey distracted. USA takes the gold!

Suck it Canada.
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Canada no longer wins Stanley cups nor Olympic golds in men's/women's hockey, and are much poorer per capita than Alabama. What a pathetic people.
 
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