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Huh? This board is very pro-Isreal.

Chastising secular jews because they hate Isreal isnt antisemitic.

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I do agree with this.

but it is inescapable there are anti-semites on this board who make it clear they hate the Jews:

"Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews.

While stating that criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country is not antisemitic,

the examples note that applying double standards, using symbols of classic antisemitism to characterize Israel, or delegitimizing its right to exist can be."

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I get it, this is you now



But if I am allowed to be honest, I have seen many videos of Christians being treated in a manner we would NEVER treat Jews here, over in Israel. Officer Brandon Tatum bragged that he was only spit on once lol.

As an American, part of a country who is the ONLY reason Israel is allowed to exist in the first place, I do find the double standards annoying. Most Jews hold a certain level of resentment and animosity towards traditional white Christian conservatives.

Why am I supposed to think they are some precious group of people to always be protected? I am friends with some Jews who are realy cool dudes, but the majority of Jews I encountered identify as white liberals, and for that reason, I don't like em.

They do like to spit on Christians apparently...Is this in the bullsh** Talmud or something?

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Glad to have you back BustUp.

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I don't understand the Catholic antisemitism correlation... I feel like there is some sort of weird deep down jealousy thing going on.

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"The Jews killed Jesus."

That is the excuse most of them use and it goes back. Of course, it is an intellectually lazy reasoning like everything else they espouse. (Not all Catholics, just the antisemites.)

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What is Judaism's stance on Jesus Christ? That he was a blasphemer who died a blasphemer's death, no?

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That's an interesting take... Why are you not taking Jesus' Christ stance on Judaism?

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Because Judaism ended with Jesus Christ.

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I'm going to end this line of conversation because it belongs in a different forum. Just know that makes very little sense.

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Please come to R&P we discuss these things ad nauseum

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You can't say that. You can say "those pesky Christians" or "those pesky Muslims" but the other one is anti-semitism.

There are very real reasons for people to dislike Christians, there are very real reasons for people to dislike Muslims, anyone who dislikes Jews is just an antisemite.

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Maybe it's because that is the definition. There just isn't an English word for the other two, but yes, that is exactly it.

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Why isn't there an English word for the other two? That's curious

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Anti-Christian and Islamaphobic? This board constantly has thread talking about anti-Christian hate. Are you complaining that there is not a specific ethnic term that encompasses all Christians and Muslims?

Weird hill to die on.

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My question is why can't someone have legitimate reasons for disliking Judaism, unlike the other two?

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You can. Nobody is asking you to convert to Judaism. It becomes a problem when you start hating Jews just because you disagree with their religion.

I think Islam is an evil. I still have Muslim friends and treat them as fellow children of God. I can disagree with people and oppose their beliefs without hating them and pushing conspiracy theories that they are behind every bad thing that ever happens.

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Will you elucidate what the Jewish position is on Jesus Christ?

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Sure. They reject that he is the messiah and they are still waiting on the coming in the individual that is prophesied in the Old Testament. They view him how you would view Joseph Smith in the Mormon church. A false prophet.

They are wrong. The Bible says that they are wrong. The Bible prophesies that they would be wrong. Hatred of them on this basis is a rejection of the word of God.

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Define anti-semitism...because I know people who think not feeling sorry for Jews in general, or not thinking they are 'special', is "anti-semitic".

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Disagreeing with Israel, not antisemitism.

Thinking the US shouldn't be allies with Israel, not antisemitism, unless the only reason is because "they're Jews."

Blaming Jewish people for all of the world's problems while repeating the same tropes we heard in pre-1945 Germany, that is antisemitism.

Going so far as to side with the Islamists simply because they hate Jews to is antisemitism.

Saying things like "Hitler was right" is antisemitism.

Preaching that the US should be a country which rids itself of Jews, either by expelling them or mass murder is definitely antisemitism.

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You can't say that. You can say "those pesky Christians" or "those pesky Muslims" but the other one is anti-semitism.

There are very real reasons for people to dislike Christians, there are very real reasons for people to dislike Muslims, anyone who dislikes Jews is just an antisemite.

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Maybe it's because that is the definition. There just isn't an English word for the other two, but yes, that is exactly it.

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Why isn't there an English word for the other two? That's curious

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Anti-Christian and Islamaphobic? This board constantly has thread talking about anti-Christian hate. Are you complaining that there is not a specific ethnic term that encompasses all Christians and Muslims?

Weird hill to die on.

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My question is why can't someone have legitimate reasons for disliking Judaism, unlike the other two?

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You can. Nobody is asking you to convert to Judaism. It becomes a problem when you start hating Jews just because you disagree with their religion.

I think Islam is an evil. I still have Muslim friends and treat them as fellow children of God. I can disagree with people and oppose their beliefs without hating them and pushing conspiracy theories that they are behind every bad thing that ever happens.

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Will you elucidate what the Jewish position is on Jesus Christ?

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Sure. They reject that he is the messiah and they are still waiting on the coming in the individual that is prophesied in the Old Testament. They view him how you would view Joseph Smith in the Mormon church. A false prophet.

They are wrong. The Bible says that they are wrong. The Bible prophesies that they would be wrong. Hatred of them on this basis is a rejection of the word of God.

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I think Mormons are 100% justified if they dislike Christian's for thinking their chief prophet is a charlatan and blasphemer.

The Bible also prophecies that Judas would give Christ up to the Jews, yet he still is referred to as the Son of Perdition and that it would be better if he had not been born.

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I understand the want to criticize Israel the secular nation, BUT since half of the entire world's population of practicing religious Jews live there, it is hard for me to give these secular Israel haters a pass as it seems that israel and the faith are close to one in the same.

Also I laugh at the Jews control everything silliness.

There are only about 16million Jews in the world of 8.3 billion non Jews.

That is a population of .002%.

They don't control much and if they do have more than the regular Joe, it is because of their religion which teaches good financial decision making. That is why they are able to rebound time and again.

Let's take Israel's influence on the Middle East. They just happen to be the only consistent ally we have relied on for the past 50+ years in the region. Of course, we are going to lean their way in every dispute. Who else are we going to trust? The saudis?

You want to ***** about religious influence look at what the Muslims have done since they have figured out how to use their money and migratory patterns to conquer other nations.

The anti-Israel crowd are misinformed or they are just pushing evil.

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Did you know that Bibi Netanyahu is secular and doesn't really practice the Jewish faith or keep its traditions?

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Did you read my post that stated that half of practicing Jews are citizens of Israel? If the Jews did not want bibi they would replace him. The majority of ethnic Jews are not practicing. What does that matter to any of this?

Again, they are an insignificant population whose significance is only due to their better handling of money, and their nations position in the oil rich Middle East. Somehow that gets inflated in the minds of people who hate Jews that we do their bidding. We don't and when oil is no longer the life blood of civilization, we probably won't care about them at all other than we don't want them genocided out of existence.

Here is the bottom line: Just like the Hindus, the Jews are not going to kill me for being Christian, but the atheist collectivists and the Muslims would in a heart beat. Secular and religious Jews are not a big deal to me or to the world. Why are they such a big deal to you when there are so many worse threats?

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I just read an article on how Jewish settlers in and around the Holy Land are attacking and killing Christians and destroying churches. I'm not a fan of this. If Israel is our greatest ally and defender of democracy and freedom in the Middle East, why are they allowing this?

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If this is happening it needs to be addressed and harshly.

I never said they were a defender of democracy or freedom. They are our greatest ally against half billion Muslims who want us dead, and in keeping the oil flowing. If you want ww3 then just let the oil stop.

Strategically, they are our best lever and the power we have afforded them allows them to do the dirty work that the US government can't always do. If anything, they are our hammer as much if not than we are their protectors.

This just shows that yes, there are antisemites on this board that are willing to admit as such, and they judge the events and politics of the volatile region accordingly. Much of the conspiracy theories involving Israel come from that, which is why buying into those conspiracy theories is functionally indistinguishable from antisemitism, though the overall intent may not be there.

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I always thought the Israel love fest on here was weird. This post is wild

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These people think Ted Cruz represents them hahaha

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You can't say that. You can say "those pesky Christians" or "those pesky Muslims" but the other one is anti-semitism.

There are very real reasons for people to dislike Christians, there are very real reasons for people to dislike Muslims, anyone who dislikes Jews is just an antisemite.

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Maybe it's because that is the definition. There just isn't an English word for the other two, but yes, that is exactly it.

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Why isn't there an English word for the other two? That's curious

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Anti-Christian and Islamaphobic? This board constantly has thread talking about anti-Christian hate. Are you complaining that there is not a specific ethnic term that encompasses all Christians and Muslims?

Weird hill to die on.

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My question is why can't someone have legitimate reasons for disliking Judaism, unlike the other two?

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You can. Nobody is asking you to convert to Judaism. It becomes a problem when you start hating Jews just because you disagree with their religion.

I think Islam is an evil. I still have Muslim friends and treat them as fellow children of God. I can disagree with people and oppose their beliefs without hating them and pushing conspiracy theories that they are behind every bad thing that ever happens.

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Will you elucidate what the Jewish position is on Jesus Christ?

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Sure. They reject that he is the messiah and they are still waiting on the coming in the individual that is prophesied in the Old Testament. They view him how you would view Joseph Smith in the Mormon church. A false prophet.

They are wrong. The Bible says that they are wrong. The Bible prophesies that they would be wrong. Hatred of them on this basis is a rejection of the word of God.

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I think Mormons are 100% justified if they dislike Christian's for thinking their chief prophet is a charlatan and blasphemer.

The Bible also prophecies that Judas would give Christ up to the Jews, yet he still is referred to as the Son of Perdition and that it would be better if he had not been born.

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Ok?

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Define anti-semitism...because I know people who think not feeling sorry for Jews in general, or not thinking they are 'special', is "anti-semitic".

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Disagreeing with Israel, not antisemitism.

Thinking the US shouldn't be allies with Israel, not antisemitism, unless the only reason is because "they're Jews."

Blaming Jewish people for all of the world's problems while repeating the same tropes we heard in pre-1945 Germany, that is antisemitism.

Going so far as to side with the Islamists simply because they hate Jews to is antisemitism.

Saying things like "Hitler was right" is antisemitism.

Preaching that the US should be a country which rids itself of Jews, either by expelling them or mass murder is definitely antisemitism.

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I agree...I don't like most Jews because they tend to be white liberals and I despise ALL white liberals. And many of them hate us (and spit on us and accost us in Israel)...but there are SOME good ones...maybe 15-20% are realy good, cool people, if I'm estimating just based on life experience.

Anyone who prefers Islamists to Jewish people though is a psycho in my book. Islamists are the worst.

There are a few ultra-orthodox Jewish sects that act like how you describe. They are a small minority and most mainstream Jewish practitioners and secular Jews dislike and disassociate from them. They aren't a fair representation of Jews or their general behavior.

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I understand the want to criticize Israel the secular nation, BUT since half of the entire world's population of practicing religious Jews live there, it is hard for me to give these secular Israel haters a pass as it seems that israel and the faith are close to one in the same.

Also I laugh at the Jews control everything silliness.

There are only about 16million Jews in the world of 8.3 billion non Jews.

That is a population of .002%.

They don't control much and if they do have more than the regular Joe, it is because of their religion which teaches good financial decision making. That is why they are able to rebound time and again.

Let's take Israel's influence on the Middle East. They just happen to be the only consistent ally we have relied on for the past 50+ years in the region. Of course, we are going to lean their way in every dispute. Who else are we going to trust? The saudis?

You want to ***** about religious influence look at what the Muslims have done since they have figured out how to use their money and migratory patterns to conquer other nations.

The anti-Israel crowd are misinformed or they are just pushing evil.

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Did you know that Bibi Netanyahu is secular and doesn't really practice the Jewish faith or keep its traditions?

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Did you read my post that stated that half of practicing Jews are citizens of Israel? If the Jews did not want bibi they would replace him. The majority of ethnic Jews are not practicing. What does that matter to any of this?

Again, they are an insignificant population whose significance is only due to their better handling of money, and their nations position in the oil rich Middle East. Somehow that gets inflated in the minds of people who hate Jews that we do their bidding. We don't and when oil is no longer the life blood of civilization, we probably won't care about them at all other than we don't want them genocided out of existence.

Here is the bottom line: Just like the Hindus, the Jews are not going to kill me for being Christian, but the atheist collectivists and the Muslims would in a heart beat. Secular and religious Jews are not a big deal to me or to the world. Why are they such a big deal to you when there are so many worse threats?

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I just read an article on how Jewish settlers in and around the Holy Land are attacking and killing Christians and destroying churches. I'm not a fan of this. If Israel is our greatest ally and defender of democracy and freedom in the Middle East, why are they allowing this?

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If this is happening it needs to be addressed and harshly.

I never said they were a defender of democracy or freedom. They are our greatest ally against half billion Muslims who want us dead, and in keeping the oil flowing. If you want ww3 then just let the oil stop.

Strategically, they are our best lever and the power we have afforded them allows them to do the dirty work that the US government can't always do. If anything, they are our hammer as much if not than we are their protectors.

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You know most Muslims are regular people right? You have lots of them living around you right now who don't want to kill you. Just like most Jewish people are good hard working people, so are most Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, etc.

It's their leaders and governments who are corrupt, just like guess who…….. (drum roll)……….. Israel.

The Bible is full of examples of Israel being full of problem people and ideas and turning away from God, long before "Jesus ended Judaism". All countries and religions are full of a-holes, but that's kinda the point.

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There are a few ultra-orthodox Jewish sects that act like how you describe. They are a small minority and most mainstream Jewish practitioners and secular Jews dislike and disassociate from them. They aren't a fair representation of Jews or their general behavior.

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Exactly. It's like judging Christianity based on the Westboro Baptist Church. I could do it, but it would be intellectually dishonest and morally stupid.

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Glad to have you back BustUp.

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I'll see you at Mass

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I don't understand the Catholic antisemitism correlation... I feel like there is some sort of weird deep down jealousy thing going on.

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"The Jews killed Jesus."

That is the excuse most of them use and it goes back. Of course, it is an intellectually lazy reasoning like everything else they espouse. (Not all Catholics, just the antisemites.)

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What is Judaism's stance on Jesus Christ? That he was a blasphemer who died a blasphemer's death, no?

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That's an interesting take... Why are you not taking Jesus' Christ stance on Judaism?

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Because Judaism ended with Jesus Christ.

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Do you Bible bro?

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There are a few ultra-orthodox Jewish sects that act like how you describe. They are a small minority and most mainstream Jewish practitioners and secular Jews dislike and disassociate from them. They aren't a fair representation of Jews or their general behavior.

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Exactly. It's like judging Christianity based on the Westboro Baptist Church. I could do it, but it would be intellectually dishonest and morally stupid.

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Or Corey Mahler, who is actually a hero to certain people here.

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People can hate the government of Israel but not hate Jewish people just like we can hate the US government but love our country.

Saying America first is not antisemitic.

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People that hate the government of Israel more than they hate the government of, say, Argentina are irrational, but we constantly hear about one but not the other.

News flash, the government of Argentina is 1,000% more corrupt.

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Do we keep getting dragged into wars by Argentina?

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What wars have we been "dragged into" by Israel?

Last I checked, we performed a military operation against a crazy dictator that is seeking nuclear weapons, whose primary thought about the USA is "death to America" and who is stupid enough to execute military strikes against every country in the ME when they are about to lose power.

To say that the only reason we did that is because Israel "dragged us" into is is crazy.

Who "dragged us" into Venezuela?

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Sorry, OP, there really isn't much anti-semitism on F16. Some people don't like Israel's approach to ME conflicts (I'm NOT one of them). This is not anti-semitism. There are, unfortunately, several posters on this board that leap to accusations of anti-semitism whenever Israel or our relationship to Israel is called into question.

Please post examples of blatant anti-semiticism on F16. This does not mean post examples of anti-Israeli sentiment.

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There are lots of posters that are conspiracy theorists, and that runs the gamut from fake moon landing to 9/11 truthers to 1619 Project... so lots of flavors to choose from. Some of them choose to only believe the ones about Israel and by extension, Jews in the US/world. While it may not feel technically like antisemitism from those who espouse it, it is functionally indistinguishable from it.

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Maybe it's just you who can't see the distinction. Criticism of Israel or Zionism isn't antisemitism.

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Unsubstantiated, ridiculous criticism of how much control Israel has over our government is absolutely antisemitism.

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People can hate the government of Israel but not hate Jewish people just like we can hate the US government but love our country.

Saying America first is not antisemitic.

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People that hate the government of Israel more than they hate the government of, say, Argentina are irrational, but we constantly hear about one but not the other.

News flash, the government of Argentina is 1,000% more corrupt.

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Do we keep getting dragged into wars by Argentina?

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3598233/replies/71979331

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I see posts like this all the time.

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You can't say that. You can say "those pesky Christians" or "those pesky Muslims" but the other one is anti-semitism.

There are very real reasons for people to dislike Christians, there are very real reasons for people to dislike Muslims, anyone who dislikes Jews is just an antisemite.

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Maybe it's because that is the definition. There just isn't an English word for the other two, but yes, that is exactly it.

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Why isn't there an English word for the other two? That's curious

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Anti-Christian and Islamaphobic? This board constantly has thread talking about anti-Christian hate. Are you complaining that there is not a specific ethnic term that encompasses all Christians and Muslims?

Weird hill to die on.

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My question is why can't someone have legitimate reasons for disliking Judaism, unlike the other two?

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You can. Nobody is asking you to convert to Judaism. It becomes a problem when you start hating Jews just because you disagree with their religion.

I think Islam is an evil. I still have Muslim friends and treat them as fellow children of God. I can disagree with people and oppose their beliefs without hating them and pushing conspiracy theories that they are behind every bad thing that ever happens.

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Will you elucidate what the Jewish position is on Jesus Christ?

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Sure. They reject that he is the messiah and they are still waiting on the coming in the individual that is prophesied in the Old Testament. They view him how you would view Joseph Smith in the Mormon church. A false prophet.

They are wrong. The Bible says that they are wrong. The Bible prophesies that they would be wrong. Hatred of them on this basis is a rejection of the word of God.

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I think Mormons are 100% justified if they dislike Christian's for thinking their chief prophet is a charlatan and blasphemer.

The Bible also prophecies that Judas would give Christ up to the Jews, yet he still is referred to as the Son of Perdition and that it would be better if he had not been born.

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Ok?

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So I don't believe biblical prophecy is an excuse for behavior, and neither does Christ, at least judging by his words regarding Judas

Argentina isn't our "greatest ally"

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People can hate the government of Israel but not hate Jewish people just like we can hate the US government but love our country.

Saying America first is not antisemitic.

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People that hate the government of Israel more than they hate the government of, say, Argentina are irrational, but we constantly hear about one but not the other.

News flash, the government of Argentina is 1,000% more corrupt.

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Now you're being ridiculous. The gov't of Israel has attacked US assets in the past (allegedly) and is a big reason we are drawn into ME conflicts. Disliking the gov't of Israel for this more than Argentina's gov't isn't bigoted.

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Do you really think that Israel is the reason we get dragged into conflicts in the ME?

Let me ask you a question: what two things to the ME and Venezuela have in common?

Is the government of Panama the reason why we got dragged into a conflict with Venezuela? Or, possibly, could it be some other blacker reason? Like, I dunno, oil?

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Jews have been the scapegoat for 2000 years now man, not much has changed.

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3,3000 years my friend

but yes, this is nothing new.

the only new thing was the 80 year relative hiatus following the Holocaust.

the idiot influencers are all chasing Qatari money, bots and follows and clicks

so Tucker started it, Candace is just insane, and Megyn Kelly (who attacked Trump in 2016) is just a shameless grifter for power in her entire career.

on the other hand, influencers are not real life.

I would rather have President DJT on my side -and Candace Nazi Owens on the other side.
I take that all day every day.

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Would you let me know what your thoughts are regarding why the Jews have been so demonized regardless of geographic location for 3 and a half millennia?

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You first.

Give me a rational answer, and I will engage.

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You can't say that. You can say "those pesky Christians" or "those pesky Muslims" but the other one is anti-semitism.

There are very real reasons for people to dislike Christians, there are very real reasons for people to dislike Muslims, anyone who dislikes Jews is just an antisemite.

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Maybe it's because that is the definition. There just isn't an English word for the other two, but yes, that is exactly it.

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Why isn't there an English word for the other two? That's curious

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Anti-Christian and Islamaphobic? This board constantly has thread talking about anti-Christian hate. Are you complaining that there is not a specific ethnic term that encompasses all Christians and Muslims?

Weird hill to die on.

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My question is why can't someone have legitimate reasons for disliking Judaism, unlike the other two?

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You can. Nobody is asking you to convert to Judaism. It becomes a problem when you start hating Jews just because you disagree with their religion.

I think Islam is an evil. I still have Muslim friends and treat them as fellow children of God. I can disagree with people and oppose their beliefs without hating them and pushing conspiracy theories that they are behind every bad thing that ever happens.

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Will you elucidate what the Jewish position is on Jesus Christ?

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Sure. They reject that he is the messiah and they are still waiting on the coming in the individual that is prophesied in the Old Testament. They view him how you would view Joseph Smith in the Mormon church. A false prophet.

They are wrong. The Bible says that they are wrong. The Bible prophesies that they would be wrong. Hatred of them on this basis is a rejection of the word of God.

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I think Mormons are 100% justified if they dislike Christian's for thinking their chief prophet is a charlatan and blasphemer.

The Bible also prophecies that Judas would give Christ up to the Jews, yet he still is referred to as the Son of Perdition and that it would be better if he had not been born.

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Ok?

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So I don't believe biblical prophecy is an excuse for behavior, and neither does Christ, at least judging by his words regarding Judas

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No, biblical prophesy is a guide for understanding the world. Man is still fallen and subject to sin. If the reality didn't bear out biblical prophesy, the Bible would fail to be true.

You have to ignore most of the teachings of Christ and be incredibly self-righteous to end up at the positions you espouse.

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This just shows that yes, there are antisemites on this board that are willing to admit as such, and they judge the events and politics of the volatile region accordingly. Much of the conspiracy theories involving Israel come from that, which is why buying into those conspiracy theories is functionally indistinguishable from antisemitism, though the overall intent may not be there.

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You're using the word the same way homophobic and racist is used. It's just so you don't have to discuss anything.

There are very valid complaints against gays, racial behavior, and Jews. It would be like me calling you a "philosemite" and hand waving away your reasons for liking the Jews.

Do posters here differentiate between ethnic Jews and theological Jews? I understand that Sammy Davis claims to be to be a Jew. The ethnic difference between Jews and Muslims is very hard to identify. It is similar to difference between ethnic Greeks and Turks. Is antisemitism discussed here the hate of ethnic Jews or religious Jews or both? Just asking.

My mom's entire family is jewish, making me jewish by blood. Im as conservative as they come. Only antisemitism I see on this board is from the Palestinian loving libs.

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People can hate the government of Israel but not hate Jewish people just like we can hate the US government but love our country.

Saying America first is not antisemitic.

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People that hate the government of Israel more than they hate the government of, say, Argentina are irrational, but we constantly hear about one but not the other.

News flash, the government of Argentina is 1,000% more corrupt.

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Do we keep getting dragged into wars by Argentina?

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Does Argentina keep getting blamed for anything that happens in a region that is strategically placed between 3 continents that is extremely volatile and controlled mostly by religious zealots?

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That sounds like a "them" problem. If someone has a 2000 year old history of being blamed for things, they may be the target of a vicious multi-millennial smear campaign, or they might have a penchant for rustling jimmies.

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Next time just go ahead and write "those pesky Jews".

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You can't say that. You can say "those pesky Christians" or "those pesky Muslims" but the other one is anti-semitism.

There are very real reasons for people to dislike Christians, there are very real reasons for people to dislike Muslims, anyone who dislikes Jews is just an antisemite.

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You can dislike large groups of people all you want. It's not illegal, it just makes you a bigot.

Plenty of bigotry against Christians and Muslims out there.

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You can't say that. You can say "those pesky Christians" or "those pesky Muslims" but the other one is anti-semitism.

There are very real reasons for people to dislike Christians, there are very real reasons for people to dislike Muslims, anyone who dislikes Jews is just an antisemite.

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Maybe it's because that is the definition. There just isn't an English word for the other two, but yes, that is exactly it.

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Why isn't there an English word for the other two? That's curious

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Anti-Christian and Islamaphobic? This board constantly has thread talking about anti-Christian hate. Are you complaining that there is not a specific ethnic term that encompasses all Christians and Muslims?

Weird hill to die on.

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My question is why can't someone have legitimate reasons for disliking Judaism, unlike the other two?

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You can. Nobody is asking you to convert to Judaism. It becomes a problem when you start hating Jews just because you disagree with their religion.

I think Islam is an evil. I still have Muslim friends and treat them as fellow children of God. I can disagree with people and oppose their beliefs without hating them and pushing conspiracy theories that they are behind every bad thing that ever happens.

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Will you elucidate what the Jewish position is on Jesus Christ?

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Sure. They reject that he is the messiah and they are still waiting on the coming in the individual that is prophesied in the Old Testament. They view him how you would view Joseph Smith in the Mormon church. A false prophet.

They are wrong. The Bible says that they are wrong. The Bible prophesies that they would be wrong. Hatred of them on this basis is a rejection of the word of God.

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I think Mormons are 100% justified if they dislike Christian's for thinking their chief prophet is a charlatan and blasphemer.

The Bible also prophecies that Judas would give Christ up to the Jews, yet he still is referred to as the Son of Perdition and that it would be better if he had not been born.

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Ok?

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So I don't believe biblical prophecy is an excuse for behavior, and neither does Christ, at least judging by his words regarding Judas

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No, biblical prophesy is a guide for understanding the world. Man is still fallen and subject to sin. If the reality didn't bear out biblical prophesy, the Bible would fail to be true.

You have to ignore most of the teachings of Christ and be incredibly self-righteous to end up at the positions you espouse.

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People can hate the government of Israel but not hate Jewish people just like we can hate the US government but love our country.

Saying America first is not antisemitic.

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People that hate the government of Israel more than they hate the government of, say, Argentina are irrational, but we constantly hear about one but not the other.

News flash, the government of Argentina is 1,000% more corrupt.

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Do we keep getting dragged into wars by Argentina?

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Which wars do you think that Israel dragged us into?

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Iraq 91, Iraq 03, Lebanese Civil War, Syria for the past generation, Iran presently.

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I was watching a clip online and these are conflicts that Charlie Kirk specifically mentioned. Then again, he was a raging Jew hater.

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You got some citations to back that up? Kirk has thousands upon thousands of video online. Care to link to some video where he is being a Jew hater?

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I've been accused of antisemitism for:

1. posting that Christians are routinely assaulted in Israel.

2. questioning the U.S. funding/budget for Israel.

I don't think either of those topics are antisemitic but such topics are past the line for some posters.

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I was accused of it for pointing how many NBA franchise owners are Jewish.

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Should that be attributed to hoop stress?

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Is this a very profane joke about bonfire?

Honestly asking, because I can't make sense of the comment otherwise. If you meant something else, apologies.

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I understand the want to criticize Israel the secular nation, BUT since half of the entire world's population of practicing religious Jews live there, it is hard for me to give these secular Israel haters a pass as it seems that israel and the faith are close to one in the same.

Also I laugh at the Jews control everything silliness.

There are only about 16million Jews in the world of 8.3 billion non Jews.

That is a population of .002%.

They don't control much and if they do have more than the regular Joe, it is because of their religion which teaches good financial decision making. That is why they are able to rebound time and again.

Let's take Israel's influence on the Middle East. They just happen to be the only consistent ally we have relied on for the past 50+ years in the region. Of course, we are going to lean their way in every dispute. Who else are we going to trust? The saudis?

You want to ***** about religious influence look at what the Muslims have done since they have figured out how to use their money and migratory patterns to conquer other nations.

The anti-Israel crowd are misinformed or they are just pushing evil.

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Did you know that Bibi Netanyahu is secular and doesn't really practice the Jewish faith or keep its traditions?

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Did you read my post that stated that half of practicing Jews are citizens of Israel? If the Jews did not want bibi they would replace him. The majority of ethnic Jews are not practicing. What does that matter to any of this?

Again, they are an insignificant population whose significance is only due to their better handling of money, and their nations position in the oil rich Middle East. Somehow that gets inflated in the minds of people who hate Jews that we do their bidding. We don't and when oil is no longer the life blood of civilization, we probably won't care about them at all other than we don't want them genocided out of existence.

Here is the bottom line: Just like the Hindus, the Jews are not going to kill me for being Christian, but the atheist collectivists and the Muslims would in a heart beat. Secular and religious Jews are not a big deal to me or to the world. Why are they such a big deal to you when there are so many worse threats?

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I just read an article on how Jewish settlers in and around the Holy Land are attacking and killing Christians and destroying churches. I'm not a fan of this. If Israel is our greatest ally and defender of democracy and freedom in the Middle East, why are they allowing this?

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Do you have a link to that article?

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My main beef with OP's and other's position in this thread is that their leap to an anti-semitism accusation is lazy. Dismissing someone's complaint against the gov't of Israel's actions as anti-semitic is a poor argument.

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Lobbing claims like "Israel dragged us into the war with Iran" like a Mullah lobbing Scuds is equally lazy, and also lazy antisemitism.

What is the argument that Israel is the reason why we destroyed Iran's military? Throwing out a lazy accusation like that with no substantiation is clearly bigotry, especially when the dictator of the country repeatedly calls for "Death to America".

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Huh? This board is very pro-Isreal.

Chastising secular jews because they hate Isreal isnt antisemitic.

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Israel? Israel has nothing to do with anti-Semitic or not. Lol. Jews are separate from Israel's government.

A lot of the far-right is very anti-Semitic, some race-related and some banks-related, like historical tropes.

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Ironically a lot of those "far right" folks get there with "far left" ideology.

That said I think a lot of this also lies at the feet of folks who say that criticism of Soros or Israel as a country or the Rothschilds influence on international banking and monetary systems makes you "anti semitic". Soros is a freaking atheist who literally collaborated with the Nazis for instance but he was born Jewish. Israel as a country has done a lot of great things but there are incidents like the USS Liberty that have been swept under the rug as well as spies that have been caught that deserve scrutiny as well, Israel looks out for the interests of Israel and not the US (which is fine). The Rothschilds and the international monetary system (which isn't run exclusively by Jews) has a LOT of problems when you look at the way the Federal Reserve was founded and operates and how it operates in other countries. I think if they just allowed for that discussion to happen more openly without bringing their religion into it that would solve a lot of the problem, instead it adds fuel to the conspiracy theorists and people like Fuentes and Carlson.

The problem is when criticism of any of those issues gets mixed in with anti semitism often by Jewish groups they lose credibility. To me I was also offended by the commercial during the Olympics showing the Jewish kid being openly mocked by a bunch of white kids as a "Dirty Jew" and the black kid is the only one to stand up for him. That's just not realistic and it's really attacking people that are most likely to be allies. It hurts the cause a lot more than it helps it.

You also have the complexity of the fact that there are a lot more ethnic Jews than practicing Jews and they have very different mindsets, then you have the different groups within those communities as well. Jews are far from a people with one mindset