Jv106 said:
Yup.
Us millennials still catch strays bullets from Gen X and boomers. I have to remind them when I hear it - I grew up driving a stick, have owned 3 houses now, have to take BP meds, and hang overs are a 2 or 3 day problem.
Urban Ag said:Jv106 said:
Yup.
Us millennials still catch strays bullets from Gen X and boomers. I have to remind them when I hear it - I grew up driving a stick, have owned 3 houses now, have to take BP meds, and hang overs are a 2 or 3 day problem.
Typical Gen Y.
As a solid Gen X, I simply don't get hangovers. Or put another way, oh, it's Tuesday.
A_Gang_Ag_06 said:Rapier108 said:Enviroag02 said:
Where is this all coming from?
Between what they're constantly fed on social media, and many have been raised to believe they deserve "the best" from the word go, they simply cannot understand why they don't deserve to make $100,000+ from the first day on the job, or make $50 an hour for part time work.
They are the instant gratification generation.
Generation Zombie:
They are a self centered, destructive generation that cannot think and cannot feel, so they create causes to make themselves feel important.
They are empty inside and have nothing real to offer society as their entire reality is the fake world of TikTok and Instagram.
They are largely uneducated, but believe they are highly educated because many have a worthless college degree. They also believe they are always right in all situations, and to disagree with them is always racism, sexism, hatred, bigotry, homo/trans-phobia, or some other made up word.
This is what happens when you give folks participation awards instead of pushing them to achieve, and not kicking them in the ass when they get out of line.
I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. It's worth pointing out though that they don't give those participation trophies to themselves. It's the overcorrection of Gen-X parents due to their experiences as children.
javajaws said:
Their entire generation grew up without any hardships - they are spoiled and never learned any of the hard lessons they need to survive.
There is a saying I like to use for which the inverse applies here: Through adversity comes greatness.
No adversity...no greatness.
policywonk98 said:
Our Gen Z children are having none of it. Super conservative, booked the earliest hour of the day on their birthdays to get their drivers licenses. Started working summer jobs as soon as people would hire them and work odds and end jobs during the school year.
My wife and I attribute it to very heavy doses of 80s movies and music in their lives as they were growing up(joking, sort of)
Ultimately saying no to a lot and seeing hard moments and life set backs as teachable moments. Also lots of quality time spent with grandparents doing what grandparents like to do and talk about. Families skip this ingredient way too much.
It's all about parenting and embracing the role of passing on all the highes and lows of lived experiences. I think many families have gotten away from real family time and real conversation. Allowing everyone in a household to just live their own algorithm driven social media experience all day everyday. We are not perfect but I do believe our household provided a well balanced experience of old school family activities mixed with a little modern stuff just as a way to understand the current cultural moments. That has produced some pretty awesome young adults.
I hope that this world we are entering into in the next 30 years rewards the well balanced thinkers and doers coming out of Gen Z. Our children are not the only ones. We grew up in a strong knit community of other families raising their GenZ kids in very similar ways. These kids are also hardworking doers that are doing some awesome things in the world as young adults.
Jaydoug said:
If you really want to know….
Spergin said:Enviroag02 said:
I think we've all heard the reports about Gen Z. They don't want to work. They don't want to drive. They don't want to get married. They don't want kids.
I'm actually seeing this play out in my nieces and nephews. First, they weren't in a rush to get their drivers license when they turned 16. What the heck is that about? Then they dropped college courses because they weren't motivated. Now they're saying there is no hope for them to be able to obtain a job that will provide them with the life comforts that their parents provided for them. They have no interest in entry level jobs. They can't see beyond the first few years an envision what a career might look like. In fact, one of nephews' dream is become an economics college professor, but he's not willing to go to school for it because he doesn't think that profession will pay enough. He grew up in a household with an income > 350,000/yr.
Where is this all coming from? Is it the relative successes of Gen X and Y setting unrealistic expectations or is it a lack of motivation and vision driven by a reliance on social media and its inherent unrealistic expectations?
This won't end well.
Have you see all of the news about AI? Entry level jobs are dying across the board. They have reason to feel the way they do. It's far far worse than what you think.
Yeah there is a lot of nihilism but white collar jobs are in the process of getting blown up to a huge extent.
The change we're experiencing is roughly on the order of the invention of agriculture and possibly even more extreme than that. They know there is little hope for them.
As parents, most of us are going to have to understand the reality of the world they are walking into instead of sending them unprepared or kicking them out.
The OP is truly clueless.
Waffledynamics said:
This same stuff was said about millennials.
bonfarr said:
One thing that sucks for teens today is the shrinking number of part time job opportunities. By the time I was a Senior in HS I had already had four jobs and the majority of my peers had held jobs of some type or another.
Today while the opportunities for kids to work still exist the number of jobs available to them are far fewer. By the 1980s about 60% of teens held jobs and today it is around 35%. Not necessarily because they are lazy but the jobs have been taken up by the elderly and the demand for teens time through activities at school has increased. My kids are involved in athletics and band and they have practices after school until 5:30-7 several days a week. To play volleyball in school you also have to be heavily involved in outside tournament volleyball so an additional two days during the week of practice and weekend tournaments are tied up. More elderly people are entering the workforce for service jobs and if you are an employer do you give it to a 16 year old and try to work around their schedule or do you hire a 65 year old man with no obligations where you don't have to deal with a teenager?
BonfireNerd04 said:Smittyfubar said:
I don't get the not wanting to drive or get their license. That was Lola a right of passage growing up. Me and all my friends could not wait until the day we could drive.
Thanks to the internet, people have more exposure to people in other countries that didn't go all in on car culture, and see it as a better lifestyle than American car-dependent suburban sprawl. Especially if you don't realistically expect to get married and have kids any time soon, since that's the demographic that suburbia was designed for.
Plus, vehicles gotten more expensive. Traffic has gotten heavier. Graduated licensing rules restrict teenagers from driving around with other teenagers. It makes driving less appealing.
FWIW, I got my license when I was 18, and my first car (Dad's hand-me-down Ford) when I was 20. So I never really associated "freedom" with driving, but with going to A&M and living relatively independently walking everywhere.
And I would be happy if American car culture were to die with the Boomers.
AGHouston11 said:
It's amazing at how many don't care much about getting a driver's license as soon as possible!
agsquirrel97 said:AGHouston11 said:
It's amazing at how many don't care much about getting a driver's license as soon as possible!
For Gen X and Millennials (and before), the driver's license represented freedom and adulthood. For Gen Z, their cellphone represents their freedom. They don't have to drive to their friends house to hang out, and even if these kids did go to their friends house they would just sit on their phones.
I agree. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Gen Z. In my experience at work, they're excited and motivated and asking to do more. It was the Millennials that blew my mind when they entered the work force and started asking us to fly their parents down with them for interviews. IMO, Gen Z has more realism in their world view than the Millennials at the same stage of their careers.Rubicante said:
Every generation a subset of the generation is presented as a problem affecting the entire generation. The boomers should remember when everyone under the age of 40 was a hippie.
The kids that were raised to be set up for success will succeed, and the kids that were raised to be set up to be deadbeats will not. Nothing is new except for how the lack of motivation plays out (smoking weed listening to vinyl while staring at a lava lamp 50 years ago vs hitting a thc pen watching a twitch stream today)
Enviroag02 said:
I think we've all heard the reports about Gen Z. They don't want to work. They don't want to drive. They don't want to get married. They don't want kids.
I'm actually seeing this play out in my nieces and nephews. First, they weren't in a rush to get their drivers license when they turned 16. What the heck is that about? Then they dropped college courses because they weren't motivated. Now they're saying there is no hope for them to be able to obtain a job that will provide them with the life comforts that their parents provided for them. They have no interest in entry level jobs. They can't see beyond the first few years an envision what a career might look like. In fact, one of nephews' dream is become an economics college professor, but he's not willing to go to school for it because he doesn't think that profession will pay enough. He grew up in a household with an income > 350,000/yr.
Where is this all coming from? Is it the relative successes of Gen X and Y setting unrealistic expectations or is it a lack of motivation and vision driven by a reliance on social media and its inherent unrealistic expectations?
This won't end well.
YouBet said:Over_ed said:YouBet said:Buck Turgidson said:
These threads stereotyping whole generations are always ******ed. This is as dumb as the whiny threads crying about boomers.
Agreed. Having said that, Gen X is the best generation that grew up in peak America.
Which made the boomers the best parents? :-)
No, my parents are Silent Generation. Both still kicking!
Enviroag02 said:
I think we've all heard the reports about Gen Z. They don't want to work. They don't want to drive. They don't want to get married. They don't want kids.
I'm actually seeing this play out in my nieces and nephews. First, they weren't in a rush to get their drivers license when they turned 16. What the heck is that about? Then they dropped college courses because they weren't motivated. Now they're saying there is no hope for them to be able to obtain a job that will provide them with the life comforts that their parents provided for them. They have no interest in entry level jobs. They can't see beyond the first few years an envision what a career might look like. In fact, one of nephews' dream is become an economics college professor, but he's not willing to go to school for it because he doesn't think that profession will pay enough. He grew up in a household with an income > 350,000/yr.
Where is this all coming from? Is it the relative successes of Gen X and Y setting unrealistic expectations or is it a lack of motivation and vision driven by a reliance on social media and its inherent unrealistic expectations?
This won't end well.
Rubicante said:
Every generation a subset of the generation is presented as a problem affecting the entire generation. The boomers should remember when everyone under the age of 40 was a hippie.
The kids that were raised to be set up for success will succeed, and the kids that were raised to be set up to be deadbeats will not. Nothing is new except for how the lack of motivation plays out (smoking weed listening to vinyl while staring at a lava lamp 50 years ago vs hitting a thc pen watching a twitch stream today)
Enviroag02 said:
I think we've all heard the reports about Gen Z. They don't want to work. They don't want to drive. They don't want to get married. They don't want kids.
I'm actually seeing this play out in my nieces and nephews. First, they weren't in a rush to get their drivers license when they turned 16. What the heck is that about? Then they dropped college courses because they weren't motivated. Now they're saying there is no hope for them to be able to obtain a job that will provide them with the life comforts that their parents provided for them. They have no interest in entry level jobs. They can't see beyond the first few years an envision what a career might look like. In fact, one of nephews' dream is become an economics college professor, but he's not willing to go to school for it because he doesn't think that profession will pay enough. He grew up in a household with an income > 350,000/yr.
Where is this all coming from? Is it the relative successes of Gen X and Y setting unrealistic expectations or is it a lack of motivation and vision driven by a reliance on social media and its inherent unrealistic expectations?
This won't end well.
The Collective said:
People tend to forget the # of loser kids they grew up with back in the day.
JP_Losman said:
Sounds like every old head generation complaining about the young generations going back until the dawn of time
