Let's talk war crimes and the 25th amendment

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Hullabaloonatic
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In reply to harge57 • 9:29a, 4/7/26
harge57 said:
Agador Spartacus said:
Rapier108 said:
"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.


So pretty much exactly what Iran has been doing for the last year.



So the US should conduct itself like Iran?
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9:30a, 4/7/26
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What "law" is this that we are beholden to? (Not debating merit or not of it). Why is the US subjective to an "international law". Is this a part of the Geneva convention?
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9:31a, 4/7/26
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I get that Trump is trying to use leverage to put Iran back in its box.

That said, when did the mission transition from "no nukes" to regime change, opening the strait, etc?

I didn't sign up for this.
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:32a, 4/7/26
Agador Spartacus said:
It's pretty clear at this point that Trump isn't worried about threatening / committing international war crimes.

Simply bombing civilian infrastructure is a clear and obvious war crime,

No, it isn't.
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:32a, 4/7/26
Agador Spartacus said:
Rapier108 said:
LOL, using AI that quotes from "Amnesty International."


Pick whatever source you want





You forgot the MSNBC link. Do better.
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Ellis Wyatt
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:34a, 4/7/26
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Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

I missed your posts when Biden was drooling, sleeping, and ****ting all over himself. Where were you? Who was running the country?

If you didn't speak up then, when we all knew the guy had dementia, you can take a seat now.
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9:35a, 4/7/26
What does the UCMJ have to say on the topic ?
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 9:35a, 4/7/26
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Ellis Wyatt said:
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Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

I missed your posts when Biden was drooling, sleeping, and ****ting all over himself. Where were you? Who was running the country?

If you didn't speak up then, when we all knew the guy had dementia, you can take a seat now.

Actually took til the second page before the "BuT bIdEn!" posts started...making progress around here.
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9:37a, 4/7/26
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Technically all war is a war crime.

Don't fall for this troll. Just a reminder, these are the same people who were giddy that they'd be able to label Trump a "Felon".

Just cause you could technically call him a "felon", or a "war criminal", doesn't make it so practically. It's just political theatre
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9:37a, 4/7/26
We'll get in line behind Hamas for our war crimes trail and get punished just as soon as they do.
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9:37a, 4/7/26
Bombing a dam in WWII. War crime!

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9:38a, 4/7/26
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Posted this on another thread but its applicable here as well.

People should really move past the term "war crime" as it is meaningless. In war, whomever wins then decides what to do with the conquered enemy. It used to be the conqueror just sliced off the head of the loser and then anyone else who was unwilling to "comply".

Starting in WWII, it was decided, barely, that we should have some semblance of a trial before decorating the Nuremberg prison yard with swinging nazis. But make no mistake, had Hitler won then FDR and Churchill would be the ones executed for the world to see after being convicted of "war crimes".

Its a totally made up concept and should be discarded as a talking point regarding war. War is war.

Trump's style of negotiation is very effective in business dealings and in tough geopolitical negotiations. And also understand we really are not negotiating. Its more of a comply or die concept.

And the talk of Trump's mental decline from leftists is a prime example of lack of self-awareness. Trump is 100% on his mental game.
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In reply to Ervin Burrell • 9:38a, 4/7/26
Ervin Burrell said:
Ellis Wyatt said:
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Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

I missed your posts when Biden was drooling, sleeping, and ****ting all over himself. Where were you? Who was running the country?

If you didn't speak up then, when we all knew the guy had dementia, you can take a seat now.

Actually took til the second page before the "BuT bIdEn!" posts started...making progress around here.

It's such over the top hypocrisy, that it can't go unmentioned. You people looked the other way, and I am calling you out.

Trump doesn't have dementia, you just hate him. There isn't a scintilla of intellectual honesty on the left.
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In reply to dustin999 • 9:38a, 4/7/26
dustin999 said:
I get that Trump is trying to use leverage to put Iran back in its box.

That said, when did the mission transition from "no nukes" to regime change, opening the strait, etc?

I didn't sign up for this.

This is called mission creep. Nobody ever signs up for it, but anyone paying attention knew this is how it could possibly go (escalation ladder).
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 9:38a, 4/7/26
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Hullabaloonatic said:
harge57 said:
Agador Spartacus said:
Rapier108 said:
"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.


So pretty much exactly what Iran has been doing for the last year.



So the US should conduct itself like Iran?

No, but all those pretending to care about genocide should've been demonstrating outside Iranian embassies or go to Tehran to protest.
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In reply to akm91 • 9:43a, 4/7/26
akm91 said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
harge57 said:
Agador Spartacus said:
Rapier108 said:
"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.


So pretty much exactly what Iran has been doing for the last year.



So the US should conduct itself like Iran?

No, but all those pretending to care about genocide should've been demonstrating outside Iranian embassies or go to Tehran to protest.


You think people being against genocide is performative?
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In reply to BQ78 • 9:44a, 4/7/26
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BQ78 said:

OP will not understand this photo!

He lacks historical knowledge of wars on this planet.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 9:45a, 4/7/26
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Hullabaloonatic said:
akm91 said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
harge57 said:
Agador Spartacus said:
Rapier108 said:
"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.


So pretty much exactly what Iran has been doing for the last year.



So the US should conduct itself like Iran?

No, but all those pretending to care about genocide should've been demonstrating outside Iranian embassies or go to Tehran to protest.


You think people being against genocide is performative?

Yes, we all know libs talking points are performative.
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:45a, 4/7/26
Agador Spartacus said:
It's pretty clear at this point that Trump isn't worried about threatening / committing international war crimes.

Simply bombing civilian infrastructure is a clear and obvious war crime, and this morning he went a step further and threatened genocide against the entire Iranian civilization. ("A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again...")

Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill, Marshal, "Bomber Harris" and Eisenhower committed a lot of war crimes.... Did not know that.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-incredible-story-of-the-dambusters-raid
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In reply to Viper16 • 9:46a, 4/7/26
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Dresden right?
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 9:48a, 4/7/26
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Hullabaloonatic said:

You think people being against genocide is performative?

Certainly feels that way when Tuesday is the Iran war protest because Trump is Hitler and Wednesday they're protesting in front of conservative supreme court justices house because they can't kill all the babies anymore.

(timeline is obviously manipulated to make a point)
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:49a, 4/7/26
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Agador Spartacus said:
Rapier108 said:
"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.



Activist "experts" are spinning bigtime.

This quote completely backs up my assertion. If the target has as legitimate function in aiding the ability to conduct war logistically or with command and control, to enable military production, transportation, communication, etc, it is a legal and legitimate target. The fact that it may also have civilian uses is considered but doesn't counter the military and command use eligibility.

Proportionality simply means the weapon or means used to destroy the military should not be deliberately excessive to its destruction or putting out of use, such that there is needless collateral damage.

You can't target housing and food or water infrastructure with the primary purpose of civilian harm or suffering, or shared use infrastructure if the aim is civilian suffering as versus military degradation.

There are zero war crimes being committed in hitting infrastructure that interferes with military operation so long as there is no violation of proportionality.
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9:49a, 4/7/26
The amount of MAGA cope going on is insane to me. I started losing faith in Trump slowly...... but this conflict is pushing me over the edge.

He's definitely seeing cognitive decline, and anyone who watches his press conferences honestly could tell you that. Is it to the level of Biden's cognitive decline? No, not even close - Biden was half-human, half sleeping pillow for the end of his Presidency. But Trump's decline is definitely starting, and he's in the middle of managing a war.

Is it time to start talking about a "maximum age" for the President? I'm getting tired of men in their late 70s (or older) losing their minds while running our country.
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In reply to Sims • 9:49a, 4/7/26
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You forgot the transgender protest on Thursday
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:51a, 4/7/26
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Agador Spartacus said:
KingofHazor said:
Typical liberal: sounds intelligent at first, then you realize that they simply made up everything they wrote.

Hah. I'm a republican - I have voted Republican almost all of my life.

I'm curious about the logistics of this since it seems to be gaining steam and Trump seems to be going downhill fast.

Lie #1 - I'm a republican
Lie #2 - I have voted Republican almost all of my life
Lie #3 - I'm curious
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:51a, 4/7/26
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Agador Spartacus said:
The amount of MAGA cope going on is insane to me. I started losing faith in Trump slowly...... but this conflict is pushing me over the edge.

He's definitely seeing cognitive decline, and anyone who watches his press conferences honestly could tell you that. Is it to the level of Biden's cognitive decline? No, not even close - Biden was half-human, half sleeping pillow for the end of his Presidency. But Trump's decline is definitely starting, and he's in the middle of managing a war.

Is it time to start talking about a "maximum age" for the President? I'm getting tired of men in their late 70s (or older) losing their minds while running our country.

That's quite the hedge compared to your OP.
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:51a, 4/7/26
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The amount of MAGA cope going on is insane to me.

We're just laughing at your transparent attempt to undermine Trump and the administration.
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:51a, 4/7/26
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Thanks, demoralization campaign bot.
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In reply to Keyno • 9:52a, 4/7/26
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Keyno said:
Rapier108 said:
"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

Good grief……
The "civilization" he is referring to is a 50 year old Iranian one run by radical Islamists.
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In reply to akm91 • 9:53a, 4/7/26
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And let's not forget Tokyo:



The left was so horrified by that they made one of the chief architects Secretary of Defense and the commander of the attack the Chief of Staff for the Air Force.
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9:53a, 4/7/26
You want to end Iran war, because this is way to end Iran war.

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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:54a, 4/7/26
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Agador Spartacus said:
KingofHazor said:
Typical liberal: sounds intelligent at first, then you realize that they simply made up everything they wrote.

Hah. I'm a republican - I have voted Republican almost all of my life.

I'm curious about the logistics of this since it seems to be gaining steam and Trump seems to be going downhill fast.
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In reply to WestAustinAg • 9:54a, 4/7/26
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WestAustinAg said:
Agador Spartacus said:
KingofHazor said:
Typical liberal: sounds intelligent at first, then you realize that they simply made up everything they wrote.

Hah. I'm a republican - I have voted Republican almost all of my life.

I'm curious about the logistics of this since it seems to be gaining steam and Trump seems to be going downhill fast.

Lie #1 - I'm a republican
Lie #2 - I have voted Republican almost all of my life
Lie #3 - I'm curious


This is a new strategy. Have seen it on repeat. Lemme just tell them I voted for him and that I'm a lifelong republican! They'll never realize I'm completely full of **** and my claims don't remotely match my posts
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In reply to Agador Spartacus • 9:54a, 4/7/26
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Interesting. Then we need to lock up Zelenskyy and Putin first. Ironic that both would be imprisoned don't you think?
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9:54a, 4/7/26
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Seriously, everyone knows Trump talks in big brash and sometimes crude terms, but if you look at ACTIONS, which is what matters, they are much more deliberate and restrained than his language, but they are also generally decisive. Trump exaggerates all the time compared to what is actually done, but it is what is done that matters.
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