Let's talk war crimes and the 25th amendment

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akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

harge57 said:

Agador Spartacus said:

Rapier108 said:

"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.



So pretty much exactly what Iran has been doing for the last year.



So the US should conduct itself like Iran?

No, but all those pretending to care about genocide should've been demonstrating outside Iranian embassies or go to Tehran to protest.


You think people being against genocide is performative?

Yes, we all know libs talking points are performative.


If you think an "anti genocide" viewpoint belongs solely to the Liberal party, I think that severely impugns the morality of the Conservative Party.
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The international police should do something about it
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B-1 83 said:

Keyno said:

Rapier108 said:

"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

Good grief……
The "civilization" he is referring to is a 50 year old Iranian one run by radical Islamists.

Nah that argument doesn't hold water because his next statements following that are "I don't want that to happen" and "We have complete and total regime change".
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MouthBQ98 said:

Seriously, everyone knows Trump talks in big brash and sometimes crude terms, but if you look at ACTIONS, which is what matters, they are much more deliberate and restrained than his language, but they are also generally decisive. Trump exaggerates all the time compared to what is actually done, but it is what is done that matters.

It has only been a decade, give them time. Some people are slow learners
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MouthBQ98 said:

Seriously, everyone knows Trump talks in big brash and sometimes crude terms, but if you look at ACTIONS, which is what matters, they are much more deliberate and restrained than his language, but they are also generally decisive. Trump exaggerates all the time compared to what is actually done, but it is what is done that matters.

I agree with you for the most part. But this kind of rhetoric is basically unprecedented and disturbing IMO
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We have to be the "War Crimes" world champions when it comes to destroying infrastructure. Hell, the Eighth Air Force by themselves has to be in the running for MVP!
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Hullabaloonatic said:

akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

harge57 said:

Agador Spartacus said:

Rapier108 said:

"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.



So pretty much exactly what Iran has been doing for the last year.



So the US should conduct itself like Iran?

No, but all those pretending to care about genocide should've been demonstrating outside Iranian embassies or go to Tehran to protest.


You think people being against genocide is performative?

Yes, we all know libs talking points are performative.


If you think an "anti genocide" viewpoint belongs solely to the Liberal party, I think that severely impugns the morality of the Conservative Party.

We know genocide when we see it and call it out consistently. However, libs call Israel actions genocidal when they're not. Just like they're calling Trump's actions genocidal.

Libs are not serious about genocide because they've been mum on the atrocities perpetrated on Christians in Africa.
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Keyno said:

Rapier108 said:

"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

When did speech, saying something, become a war crime? In your world, if speech is a war crime, does that extend to thought also being a war crime?
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It's so sad that dimocrats hate Trump almost as bad as they hate America.
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one safe place said:

Keyno said:

Rapier108 said:

"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

When did speech, saying something, become a war crime? In your world, if speech is a war crime, does that extend to thought also being a war crime?


They're wishing for things that they can manifest into using against him. TDS pure and simple
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Agador Spartacus said:

It's pretty clear at this point that Trump isn't worried about threatening / committing international war crimes.

Simply bombing civilian infrastructure is a clear and obvious war crime, and this morning he went a step further and threatened genocide against the entire Iranian civilization. ("A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again...")

Taking away the emotion of this, which is admittedly high, how far would this need to go before the 25th could potentially be invoked?

Not a war crime...

A call for FREEDOM! IRGC is fragmented (bridges and rail cut off) and without power (electricity). Time to celebrate and take to the streets!

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1. Bombing infrastructure is not a war crime and the 25th won't be invoked. I am the against the war because I don't think it will be effective, but removing a president over standard military action is a slippery slope.

2. I really wish Trump would use more Presidential rhetoric. I care about the decorum of the office of the president which is why Biden was also a dogsh*t president.

3. This is all removed from the table if he takes a nuclear option but I think he would understand that would be the end of his presidency.
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one safe place said:

Keyno said:

Rapier108 said:

"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.

"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again..."

This is a genocide threat. Is that a war crime still or not anymore?

When did speech, saying something, become a war crime? In your world, if speech is a war crime, does that extend to thought also being a war crime?

Ohh I get it. You are doing that thing where you pretend to not understand what I was asking, and then respond according to that. Nice!
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Quote:

Roosevelt was tried for war crimes?


A lot of what makes up the modern Geneva conventions were signed in 1949 after Roosevelt was dead, and they were in response to a lot of what went on in WW2 including the photo you posted. .

None of this matters though as the US is not subject to the ICC and our Supreme Court has recently granted Presidents immunity from actions taken as part of the office.

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Agador Spartacus said:

Rapier108 said:

LOL, using AI that quotes from "Amnesty International."


Pick whatever source you want




The Guardian

PBS

Just more far left sources. Bless your heart, though., You're trying so hard.
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akm91 said:

Dresden right?

Yes.......

Here's more info about near total destruction of German cities in WWII.....

During WWII, Allied bombing campaigns heavily destroyed numerous German cities, with total destruction in some cases
. Key cities "bombed into oblivion" included Dresden, Hamburg, Pforzheim, and Dortmund, often using incendiary bombs to create firestorms. Approximately 600,000 German civilians died in these raids, which reduced many city centers to rubble by 1945."

OP is obviously incapable of performing a simple Google search of past wars on this planet.......


Hiroshima and Nagasaki say hello to the OP!

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You need to unplug the computer and turn the TV off. It is obvious you are easily disturbed.
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Viper16 said:

akm91 said:

Dresden right?

Yes.......

Here's more info about near total destruction of German cities in WWII.....

During WWII, Allied bombing campaigns heavily destroyed numerous German cities, with total destruction in some cases
. Key cities "bombed into oblivion" included Dresden, Hamburg, Pforzheim, and Dortmund, often using incendiary bombs to create firestorms. Approximately 600,000 German civilians died in these raids, which reduced many city centers to rubble by 1945."

OP is obviously incapable of performing a simple Google search of past wars on this planet.......


Hiroshima and Nagasaki say hello to the OP!




The firebombings of Japan make Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like a blessing
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They've always had that immunity. The Supreme Court just confirmed it.

hth
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Is it too late to put Sherman on trial? He burned the South.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman's_neckties
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akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

harge57 said:

Agador Spartacus said:

Rapier108 said:

"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.



So pretty much exactly what Iran has been doing for the last year.



So the US should conduct itself like Iran?

No, but all those pretending to care about genocide should've been demonstrating outside Iranian embassies or go to Tehran to protest.


You think people being against genocide is performative?

Yes, we all know libs talking points are performative.


If you think an "anti genocide" viewpoint belongs solely to the Liberal party, I think that severely impugns the morality of the Conservative Party.

We know genocide when we see it and call it out consistently. However, libs call Israel actions genocidal when they're not. Just like they're calling Trump's actions genocidal.

Libs are not serious about genocide because they've been mum on the atrocities perpetrated on Christians in Africa.


I know you're trying to score cheap points with these "whatabouts" but you won't acknowledge it. So I'll ask where is your posts about the atrocities in China against the Uyghurs? Have you been out protesting the atrocities in Sudan? Who, in your opinion, has demonstrated enough authentic (as opposed to performative) opposition to genocide that qualifies their opinion on the matter?

And would the rest of your political opinions hold up to the same standard you are accusing every liberal of? No, of course not because you're engaging in bad faith.
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TAMUallen said:

Viper16 said:

akm91 said:

Dresden right?

Yes.......

Here's more info about near total destruction of German cities in WWII.....

During WWII, Allied bombing campaigns heavily destroyed numerous German cities, with total destruction in some cases
. Key cities "bombed into oblivion" included Dresden, Hamburg, Pforzheim, and Dortmund, often using incendiary bombs to create firestorms. Approximately 600,000 German civilians died in these raids, which reduced many city centers to rubble by 1945."

OP is obviously incapable of performing a simple Google search of past wars on this planet.......


Hiroshima and Nagasaki say hello to the OP!




The firebombings of Japan make Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like a blessing



No they don't, but the fire bombings did kill more people.

The Atomic bombs were more devastating because it was one bomb and the radiation effects lingered for days, weeks or longer before killing. The emotional toll of the atomic bombs were worse for Japan. But we are off topic
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Just leftist talking points
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Hullabaloonatic said:

akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

akm91 said:

Hullabaloonatic said:

harge57 said:

Agador Spartacus said:

Rapier108 said:

"Bombing civilian infrastructure" is not a war crime.

And no matter what you want, other than ordering the release of nuclear weapons, Trump is not going to be removed from office by the 25th Amendment.



So pretty much exactly what Iran has been doing for the last year.



So the US should conduct itself like Iran?

No, but all those pretending to care about genocide should've been demonstrating outside Iranian embassies or go to Tehran to protest.


You think people being against genocide is performative?

Yes, we all know libs talking points are performative.


If you think an "anti genocide" viewpoint belongs solely to the Liberal party, I think that severely impugns the morality of the Conservative Party.

We know genocide when we see it and call it out consistently. However, libs call Israel actions genocidal when they're not. Just like they're calling Trump's actions genocidal.

Libs are not serious about genocide because they've been mum on the atrocities perpetrated on Christians in Africa.


I know you're trying to score cheap points with these "whatabouts" but you won't acknowledge it. So I'll ask where is your posts about the atrocities in China against the Uyghurs? Have you been out protesting the atrocities in Sudan? Who, in your opinion, has demonstrated enough authentic (as opposed to performative) opposition to genocide that qualifies their opinion on the matter?

And would the rest of your political opinions hold up to the same standard you are accusing every liberal of? No, of course not because you're engaging in bad faith.



Remember that the moral high ground the left tries to stand on is built on the bodies of 50+ million murdered infants. Eugenicists lecturing about genocide is the most brazen form of hypocrisy.
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I would think that using civilians as "human" shields was a war crime.

I know does not fit the narrative.
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WestAustinAg said:

Agador Spartacus said:

KingofHazor said:

Typical liberal: sounds intelligent at first, then you realize that they simply made up everything they wrote.

Hah. I'm a republican - I have voted Republican almost all of my life.

I'm curious about the logistics of this since it seems to be gaining steam and Trump seems to be going downhill fast.

Lie #1 - I'm a republican
Lie #2 - I have voted Republican almost all of my life
Lie #3 - I'm curious


Lie #4 - I'm a Reagan Republican.
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Deerdude said:

Agador Spartacus said:

Rapier108 said:

LOL, using AI that quotes from "Amnesty International."


Pick whatever source you want






You forgot the MSNBC link. Do better.

Do you remember when "journalist" used to actually know how to use the language. These headlines are written by weak minds for weaker minds. "could" be considered....is exactly the same as saying "could not" be considered....In other words, the author is admitting in the headline, before you read a word of the article, they don't have a ****ing clue. Just like the rest of the pearl cluchers on this thread. "Words are violence"...I now know what happened to all the dewsh-bag kids that used say "you cheated" every time you beat them on the playground.
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If you're so uncomfortable taking a position on the POTUS threatening to "end a civilization" that you can only point fingers at other vague hypocrisies, then I fear you've lost your own moral compass and are victim to the same cruelty you accuse others of.
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The op wasn't alive for shock and awe.
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Agador Spartacus said:

Rapier108 said:

LOL, using AI that quotes from "Amnesty International."


Pick whatever source you want





So, you doubled down with a source that is famously written at a 6th-7th grade level for all the dum dums out there.

Good citation.
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BMX Bandit said:




Trump shouldn't have made the deadline a Tuesday. Not 4D chess.
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BMX Bandit said:



I am praying for a TACO.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

If you're so uncomfortable taking a position on the POTUS threatening to "end a civilization" that you can only point fingers at other vague hypocrisies, then I fear you've lost your own moral compass are victim to the same cruelty you accuse others of.


I'm not a.fan of Trump and I'll step into harsh criticism if he does go beyond rhetoric, which I highly doubt he will. Calling your response to his rhetoric a 'vague hypocrisy' when compare with the murder of millions for the sake of convenience shows that you have no moral.compass.to begin with
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Keyno said:

BMX Bandit said:



I am praying for a TACO.


Of course he will TACO. This is just a Hail Mary. Do y'all really think he's going to "end their civilization"? Really?
 
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