Don't forget Thomas and the Dems decided to get Psycho Hill to make **** up and never forget Blowjob Ford and "her truth" which we all know was just her being a complete crybaby idiot.

The real secret to power is convincing people the rich are their problem and aren't paying their fair share while creating more moochers.

Don't forget Kavanaugh.

His accuser was Blowjob Ford screaming about "her truth"

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Regarding PR, are we even sure they want to be a state? In the past, they've said no way to that.

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Do you think PR will take no for an answer?

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His accuser was Blowjob Ford screaming about "her truth"

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And needing two front doors and her hippocamthus (or however it is spelled.)

Republicans took it soo easy on her, that only a female could question her in a Senate hearing.

Blasey had her "beach friends' who were all Dem operatives. Even Feinstein was backing off after starting the damn hit job in the first place.

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The conservative movement including MAGA wants the Constitution followed

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OK, you have have to be trolling at this point. If not, reread the thread - not that I think it'll do any good.

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So you have no citations

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And my point is proven. Have a good day.

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Here I will help you. This is the post that started this thread,
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3604278/replies/72201003

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Anyone with a brain knows this is coming. The Dems are now discussing it out loud. Just look at what the Dems are doing in VA.

We must end the filibuster now and pass the SAVE act, among other things.

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"**** It…Just Do It": Carville Lays Out Democratic Plan to Add States and Pack the Court To Retain Power


On his podcast with Al Hunt, Carville explained, "If the Democrats win the presidency and both houses of Congress, I think on day one, they should make Puerto Rico [and] D.C. a state, and they should expand the Supreme Court to 13. F it. Eat our dust."

Notably, this week, New Jersey just elected a radical new member, Analilia Mejia, who ran on packing the Court and other radical agenda items.

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"I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. A Democrat is going to be elected in 2028. You know that. I know that. The Democratic president is going to announce a special transition advisory committee on the reform of the Supreme Court. They're going to recommend that the number of Supreme Court justices go from nine to 13. That's going to happen, people."

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https://jonathanturley.org/2026/04/17/fk-it-just-do-it-carville-lays-out-democratic-plan-to-add-states-and-pack-court/

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So the thread is about the completely insane Carville. You bring up the insane argument that MAGA has the intent not to follow the Constitution, when the reality is they don't and conservatives don't. Why the thread derail?
Still waiting on citations that MAGA intends to violate the Constitution.

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MAGA already sold their soul to authoritarianism by supporting Donald Trump's attempt to illegally remain in power after losing the 2020 election. There's your citation. In case you wanna gaslight by denying it, Mike Pence would like a word with you.

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Do you or do you not support democrats packing the court and adding states to consolidate power?

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Court packing is legal but precarious, especially given the stability in numbers the court has had for generations. I'd rather it not happen. The GOP has to reckon with how they swung the court two seats to the right with the 1) Merrick Garland nomination and 2) RBG death. Sitting on their good fortune and attempting to lock up the SC for another generation with well-timed retirements is asking for the Democrats to revert to court packing. It's all politics, and the most boring solution would be to come to some compromise, but we don't seem to be in an era like that anymore.

Adding states is a different matter insofar as there is less historical precedent for doing this solely for political gain outside the era of manifest destiny. I'm solidly opposed to it. Puerto Rico would make the most sense for population and proximity but they are not culturally aligned well enough with the rest of the union.

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You're completely lost sight of reality of what right and left are. (1) Logos already addressed one point in that Republicans filled seats as they became available. WTF did you expect them to do? Let them sit empty until Democrats were in control again? (2) Nominees by Republicans are WAY more Constitutionalist than nominees by Democrats. Biden just proved that hands down with Jackson. So, because Republicans did what Congress is supposed to do that somehow justifies the Democrats just blowing it all up out of spite and immaturity?

You've gone off the deep end lately with your commentary. Just completely illogical. I mean, using your logic then the Republicans absolutely would be justified to pack the court and should do so now so we don't get more low IQ Le'Ketanji Jacksons on the SC. But do you hear them talking about doing that? Of course not. We only hear about the Democrats doing it because they are anti-constitutional and anti-American.

Good lord.

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His accuser was Blowjob Ford screaming about "her truth"

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And needing two front doors and her hippocamthus (or however it is spelled.)

Republicans took it soo easy on her, that only a female could question her in a Senate hearing.

Blasey had her "beach friends' who were all Dem operatives. Even Feinstein was backing off after starting the damn hit job in the first place.

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And everyone forgets the fake second witness that Kamala tried to thrust upon this entire ordeal even after the witness denied she was a witness and said it was made up by the Dems.

To their absolute credit, one of the last times I listened to NPR was an interview with Kamala trying to argue about this second witness having all the goods on Kavannaugh and the female host (I don't recall her name) literally laughed at Kamala on air about trying to push a 100% fake news story. Called her out on it and when Kamala kept pushing the announcer started laughing at her. It died after the interview and we never heard about the fake 2nd witness again.

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Don't forget Thomas and the Dems decided to get Psycho Hill to make **** up and never forget Blowjob Ford and "her truth" which we all know was just her being a complete crybaby idiot.

The real secret to power is convincing people the rich are their problem and aren't paying their fair share while creating more moochers.

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Exactly. This is the actual playbook of socialism and how to get there.

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Don't forget Thomas and the Dems decided to get Psycho Hill to make **** up and never forget Blowjob Ford and "her truth" which we all know was just her being a complete crybaby idiot.

The real secret to power is convincing people the rich are their problem and aren't paying their fair share while creating more moochers.

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Exactly. This is the actual playbook of socialism and how to get there.

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Considering President Obama, Clinton, Bernie Sanders and a past head of the DNC were acolytes of Saul Alinsky, this quote of his seems pertinent

• A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism.

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Saul Alinsky (1909-1972) And His Powerful Disciples

• President Obama, Senator Hillary Clinton, and other socialist radicals have spent their elected years pushing legislation that uses government money to hire militant people who will swell the welfare rolls, register illegals to vote, and carry out the Cloward-Piven/Alinsky strategy at taxpayer expense. But Clinton and Obama are not the first national leaders to embrace Alinsky. In his November 2007 article "Hillary, Obama, and the Cult of Alinsky," Richard Lawrence Poe shows the impact of Alinsky's worldview on President Truman and Senator Robert Kennedy as well:
• Eugene Meyer, who served as Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1930 to 1933. Meyer and his wife Agnes co-owned The Washington Post. They used their newspaper to promote Alinsky.

Saul Alinsky: Mentor to Hillary and Obama

• He gained the financial support of a Leftist cleric in the Catholic Church. His connection with the Church is widely known.
• Hillary Clinton wrote her bachelor's degree thesis on him.
• Barack Obama was trained by Alinsky's disciples when he was a community organizer

When CNN is acknowledging how radically Dems are redrawing the maps in VA, you know its bad, and yet so few seem to care.

Over the last several decades, we have seen California voters speaking loudly about their desires via referendums on various topics. The federal courts have just pooh-poohed and struck them down without a thought.

So if Virginia votes on a redistricting plan that results in disenfranchisement of VA voters, can't the federal courts do the same thing to this measure? Sure states can decide how to determine their electors but not at the expense of Equal Protection violations, in my view.

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Over the last several decades, we have seen California voters speaking loudly about their desires via referendums on various topics. The federal courts have just pooh-poohed and struck them down without a thought.

So if Virginia votes on a redistricting plan that results in disenfranchisement of VA voters, can't the federal courts do the same thing to this measure? Sure states can decide how to determine their electors but not at the expense of Equal Protection violations, in my view.

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This is related to what has been nagging at me for some time about this National Popular Vote Compact. Though technically "legal" under Article II, Section 1, it is in effect a "workaround" to potentially disenfranchise the voters of a particular state in favor of a simple majority.

In other words, the electoral college was established for a reason rather than having the president be a simple majority vote. The MPVC plays a game by "legally" creating a scenario that the Constitution was specifically trying to avoid.

IMO, that is what this thread is about. The Dems consistently miss the forest for the trees, seeking to find ways to subvert the intent behind the creation of our form of government, while relying upon legal technicalities that support an ideological position, rather than following the design upon which the country was founded.

And Virginia doubles down by creating districts with a 10-1 Dem advantinage in a state of an almost 50-50 state.

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This is related to what has been nagging at me for some time about this National Popular Vote Compact. Though technically "legal" under Article II, Section 1, it is in effect a "workaround" to potentially disenfranchise the voters of a particular state in favor of a simple majority.

In other words, the electoral college was established for a reason rather than having the president be a simple majority vote. The MPVC plays a game by "legally" creating a scenario that the Constitution was specifically trying to avoid.

IMO, that is what this thread is about. The Dems consistently miss the forest for the trees, seeking to find ways to subvert the intent behind the creation of our form of government, while relying upon legal technicalities that support an ideological position, rather than following the design upon which the country was founded.

And Virginia doubles down by creating districts with a 10-1 Dem advantinage in a state of an almost 50-50 state.

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Even way back when I was in law school there existed this kind of schism between my fellow students. Some, like me, saw our legal education as being taught the rules, how to follow them within our ethical duties and work within the existing system. That included case law at state and federal level as precedents are incorporated into the overall legal system.

Others saw their legal education as a liberalizing experience with their emphasis on how to skirt the rules and the system. Ethics, smythics be damned. And case law is used for the dicta in them, not the actual holding and rationale. That approach more than likely results in efforts such as the Popular Vote Compact. Complete subversion of the long established law. BUT the creators of that abomination knew enough about the law in general to structure it in such a way to avoid judicial review until it becomes operational.

So does the way our legal system is designed make it impossible to challege the plan until it becomes operational?

It seems to me that it is kind of like someone building a skycraper designed with a bomb built into the foundation - and everyone knowing about it. No problem at all until someone detonates it.

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We could start with FISA 702.

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Pretty sure most Maga hates FISA 702.

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So does the way our legal system is designed make it impossible to challege the plan until it becomes operational?

It seems to me that it is kind of like someone building a skycraper designed with a bomb built into the foundation - and everyone knowing about it. No problem at all until someone detonates it.

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Has to do with appellate rules for when judicial review is or is not available for a remedy that then are followed by lower courts. We have all heard repeatedly about one of them...named standing to sue. Corollaries to that are known as "actual controversy" and "ripeness."

The reason for these rules is that they should not be giving advisory opinions in the absence of an actual case to decide. So, is there really a harm that can be addressed if it hasn't happened yet and may not happen ever? If no, there is no actual controversy.

Ripeness usually addressed the procedural posture of a case, that is has there been a final order entered from which an appeal can be considered? Which is why, going back to your analogy of the bomb in the foundation, rulings made during pretrial proceedings are rarely appealable. Those bombs can be removed by the trial court and not made final.

Example, the NYC Trump case in which Merchan was the judge. Totally screwed up the trial and most notably, the jury instructions. Reversible error big time BUT he never entered the final order/judgment on the jury verdict so an appeal was not ripe, yet.

HTH.

Great example! And also pertinent to this thread, in that the intended harm was in the process, not the "crime".

For the Dems, it was a successful prosecution. Not because he ever did anything truly illegal, but because the optics of the "trial" did what they wanted... Tied up Trump in defending it, and created multiple press cycles and talking points.

If anyone needs evidence that Dems will do what they want to consolidate power, check out VA.

If the referendum passes tomorrow, we go from 6-5 D-R to 10-1 Dems on districts. This makes VA solid blue despite it being a purple state.

Virginia had a Republican Governor less than four months ago.

Tomorrow, Virginia Republicans will go to the polls with their voice in the federal government on the line.

And we can't even get Republicans in the Senate to do what it takes to pass the SAVE America Act.

— Theo Wold (@RealTheoWold) April 20, 2026

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If anyone needs evidence that Dems will do what they want to consolidate power, check out VA.

If the referendum passes tomorrow, we go from 6-5 D-R to 10-1 Dems on districts. This makes VA solid blue despite it being a purple state.

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Those dumb asses elected a Democrat governor and pretty much every other statewide office that was up for a vote this past cycle.

Now they're getting exactly what they voted for. Wishy washy Republicans helped get them elected.

Find your spine. Take a stance. Be educated enough to understand the consequences of your actions instead of just blowing with the wind.

Their stupid feelings got them into the position they're in right now.

Never, ever vote for a Democrat.

Grown people in Virginia having to learn the hard way.

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But they won't.

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If I had told you before Biden took office that the Dems would open the borders and let in 15 million illegals, you would have told me I was FOS and to take my meds.

They will do it. They were two votes away from doing it under Biden.

Wake up! This is not your father's Dem party. SMH

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They're finally starting to be cracked down on bit by a bit. This isn't even four years ago. They're not getting away with the **** they even did then. And believe me I know this is not any democrat party I've ever encountered in my life. They're ****ing insane now.

And honestly, what we got from the Biden administration was exactly what I expected. I'm not sure why it surprised you given their ****ed up rhetoric leading up to that especially during Trump's first term. You could absolutely see it coming. Again they're ****ing insane.

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You still stand by this after seeing what just happened in VA?

They are going to nuke the filibuster when they get control again.

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See other thread. All over there.

Here is a start: Good Luck today Virginia! - Page 5 | TexAgs

1. Assumes that the electoral college Is the only reasonable way to run elections instead of a national 1st past the post system. The 2 sides making the arguments today are doing so for very obvious partisan reasons and would flip their arguments to their opponent's arguments the second the math changes. But the construction of how we count electoral votes and decide who wins the presidency can have multiple good faith discussions apart from what is self serving today.
2. Begs the question.
3. If you want to play the who started it game we're gonna go back to the 1800s. Partisans draw partisan maps for partisan reasons, story at 11.

This is a system design problem, not a Democrats are soulless and evil problem.

The whole reason there is an Electoral College is because we are a republic of states and not a pure democracy.

Yes it was by design and it usually works quite well for Presidential elections. The last time the Electoral College was any problem at all was 2000. And even then, there was the 12th Amendment as back up. Again because we are a republic of states, the 12th works as a state not as individual districts within a state. Gore finally conceded because he knew pushing it to the House would not change the outcome. He still would have lost.

Its as much a fact that Democrats are openly Marxist now as it is that Republicans are openly fascist. Good for f16 or blue sky karma farming, less useful at articulating actual complicated reality. If that's where most of the board's head is at, I'll go back to my self imposed exile, not really much fruitful discussion to be had.

As for the rest, its the system we have. There's no reason why 9 SCOTUS justices instead of 7 and 2 senators instead of 1 or 3 is the mathematically correct system in a Democracy, just political tradition and its good enough. Arguments against electoral college system is a potential for the majority to have a permanent democratic deficit (system design where structurally the majority always loses), and that leads to balkanization (Brexit and the EU). I think our system is good enough to not need to reform the EC, but that could change with more gerrymandering and assigning voters by districts won.

The current tit-for-tat game were playing isn't useful for anyone.

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The title could literally take out Dems and put in Rs and it would describe the current situation.

MAGA fully wants to be in charge forever. They don't want to compromise. They don't respect different views.

They want MAGA forever.

So acting surprised if Democrats did similar is just -odd. A not surprising lack of self-awareness.

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No one who is "MAGA" (random, anonymous Internet posters don't count) is calling for adding states, packing the Supreme Court, and passing countless other laws to enshrine single party rule forever.

Your side has been saying for years they want to do it, and had two Democrat Senators not blocked them in 2021, they would have done it.

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lol No. They just refused to confirm a democrat to the supreme court. You seem to see a huge difference.

Biden rule. HTH

Fascist. LMAO!

Easy to spot who clicks reply after reading the 1st sentence only.